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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 02:28 AM Original message |
"The shift in Catholics alone more than accounted for Prop. 8's 5 percent margin of victory." |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 02:32 AM Response to Original message |
1. Pfft. It was clearly because of under-1.5 million black voters.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 02:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. The really insane part is that the votes in CA haven't even been counted yet |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 02:41 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. It's ok. They hate mortgages too, if you'll recall. The power white folks attribute to them... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 02:47 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. It's amazing how quickly CNN becomes a fucking oracle |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 02:58 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. . |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:11 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Check out this poll from Loyola Marymount. Available on election night, too. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. K and R. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Thank you, mzmolly. |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #9 |
68. Huh? Maybe I'm reading that wrong but... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #68 |
77. I'm sorry I couldn't figure out how to keep the formating. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 02:38 AM Response to Original message |
3. I'm glad that the Chronicle is staying on this story. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 02:40 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Yes. We need to know the organizations that used the lives of our people |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:00 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. . |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:13 AM Response to Original message |
10. Thanks for that very informative article |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. My pleasure. n/t |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
12. Surely it was black Mormons and black Catholics, right? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Did the cable channels even MENTION the Catholic Church |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
13. Here's a good article on Niederhauer before he came to San Francisco: |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
14. Neiderhauer's very close friend works at the Vatican. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
15. Niederhauer criticized for giving award to gay marriage, abortion supporter |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
16. East Bay Express: Yup, it was the Catholics |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I wouldn't go that far. But it is very very clear that Neiderauer masterfully |
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CatholicEdHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
21. Right wing Catholics did alot of outreach |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. My former church is one of the oldest, most successful political machines on the planet. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #22 |
60. Nail meet hammer. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I know. |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. "Right-wing Catholics" -- five points off for redundancy |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Then the redundancy would be "rightwing Catholic leaders". |
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CatholicEdHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 05:01 PM Original message |
True, there is a major disconnect between the pews and Rome |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
35. This guy in San Francisco is Machiavellian. Someone needs to get that |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
24. where is the guy who was blaming black, female churchgoers last week? |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Reporting demographics is not "blaming" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Reporting rumor as fact is not reporting demographics. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. The same argument was used in the defense of "The Bell Curve." |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. it's called LYING, actually...outrageous lying |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
43. It's race-based scapegoating and it's disgusting |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. The president of the CA NAACP has been opposing H8 |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. The National NAACP was for NO on 8 |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Was that the one claiming the problem with black people... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Someday, I hope we have the available brain cells not to buy in |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. it was the other one: black female churchgoers |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Ah, yes. That guy. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. i was not...but i will keep an eye on him eom |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Someone suggested that if black people hadn't voted, it wouldn't have passed. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. way too fng easy, especially when it comes to race |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. . . . |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #29 |
69. I claimed that based on the CNN exit poll data. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #69 |
78. I wasn't referring to you, ContinentalOp. |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
40. My mom's Catholic church they ended with a "reminder" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Good for her! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
41. In sum: One of the most powerful American Catholics, George Niederauer, |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #41 |
70. The Loyola poll is only for the city of Los Angeles. -nt- |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #70 |
80. Yes, I realize that. n/t |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
42. Well, I'm glad that's settled. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Model the respect you want. That would be a good start. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
47. i suspect those who want to believe Prop 8 passed because of black voters |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Thank you for your post |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 06:54 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. goclark, I have your back. |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. thanks sfexpat2000 |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. i know what you mean...i am also a AA who voted no on 8 |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Thanks noireblu |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. aside from a few obdurant types here |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. I do appreciate your thoughts |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. It's hard to understand why someone would be so ready to "fix" black culture |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 07:05 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. they believe black people are more homophobic |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 07:08 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Well, for a community that prides itself on being fact based, we fail. n/t |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #54 |
71. It's not just a "meme" that has been circulating for a few years. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. i do think it has reached meme status here |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. But it sure as Hell worked as intended in this issue! |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
48. Dot connecting time |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. And they pushed it off on black voters. |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #48 |
63. Bingo! That is exactly what I think happened |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 06:31 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. This is an excerpt from a People for the American Way memo |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
59. k&r |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Thank you. It takes us so long to sort out what's real. |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Thanks so much ~ we liberals tend to be so passionate |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
74. when all that is said an done there is one conclusion |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. We, of many descriptions on this board, DID NOT SUPPORT IT. |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. anyone say you did? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. So very quick to brush off the scapegoating of black CA voters. |
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