I suffered no delusions, but a clear signal was sent today in Washington.

[Joe Fields]

With Pelosi re-elected as speaker, there will be no accountability of the Bush administration pursued. It is to all be forgotten.

[Solly Mack]

1. Same old, same old

business as usual - protecting the status quo

[spanone]

2. nancy should have been replaced for her 'impeachment off the table' stance if nothing else

ineffective is the word that comes to mind....

it's the sheriff coming to town and telling the criminals there are no penalties for their crimes

[saracat]

4. But obama always said bush did nothing to rise to the level of impeachment. She is a

echoing his stance, or he agrees with her. Whatever. I don't agree with either, but that is why she wouldn't be replaced.

[WilliamPitt]

3. God Herself could have denounced Bush from the Capitol dome

and nothing would have come of it.

They let Johnson walk, and Nixon, and Reagan, and Bush Sr., and all their little helper bees, too. Kissinger is free. So is Oliver North. Thus it will ever be. I'm surprised you got your hopes up.

[EFerrari]

6. And we get stuck with recycled criminals because of this.

Our government didn't get this corrupt overnight, we had to work at it.

Did you see this? I don't want to kick it, but, man. It's to the point where I can't blame anyone for picking these people -- there's so damn many of them all over the place.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4776735

[WilliamPitt]

8. "Blair personally informed top Indonesian general Wiranto of unwavering U.S. support"

I'm not condoning this, but it sounds like the beef isn't with this general, but with his boss. This guy was delivering a message from his commander.

Who's name was...

*sigh*

[EFerrari]

10. Watch the segment. He was actually TOLD by State to stop supporting

the killing and, he didn't.

Remember, Amy and Allan were nearly killed reporting this story. They were a hair away from being executed and iirc, Allan was shot in the head.

[Joe Fields]

11. No, it didn't. But it did come with new salesmen and women,

offering that "new and improved" product, that just flew off the shelves. Now, buyer's remorse is our national hangover. It never stops. The M.O. is the same, only the faces change.

[EFerrari]

17. While I agree with you, Joe, on most everything

I didn't have the expectation that the rottenness would just vanish.

Like Will said, all of those guys walked. That means, all the people (or most of the people) who helped them also walked. And that means, all those people are the Experience Corps that new administrations use to staff their governments.

:shrug:

I guess I don't have buyer's remorse because mine wasn't a purchase as much as a rental.

[Joe Fields]

25. I don't believe we disagree, sf. I witnessed the parade. Revolving door govt.

at it's finest. :sarcasm: It's something that, as an American who pays attention, deep down, I know, and have known that these people always walk. Yet, I always hold out a little hope that they will recieve justice. Maybe it's having lived through Watergate and seen up close how the constitution can prevail that has kept a small sliver of hope alive all these years. I think we all have it to a degree, or we wouldn't be on this board.

[EFerrari]

26. We don't disagree.

And I never really give up on these people being made to face what they've done.

[G_j]

39. wasn't Pelosi informed of the torture

way back? if so, then she was accomplice to those crimes.

[EFerrari]

40. Yes, she was and she is. A lot of them are. n/t

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

44. Warrantless wiretaps too.

Aiding and abetting.

[Joe Fields]

9. Eh, I might as well put a bullet in my head, if I ever get 100% jaded.

[WilliamPitt]

13. I'm the most goddamned optimistic motherfucker on this board, Joe.

But sometimes you get a pooch that can't be screwed. This is one.

[Joe Fields]

15. word.

:toast:

[Joe Fields]

18. when you think about it, we are really the only ones upset with Pelosi,

and not all of us are in agreement. Most dem voters probably don't care one way or the other about Pelosi, and the republicans will likely build shrines to her. (okay, a tad hyperbolic)

[bvar22]

33. Most Democratic voters couldn't tell you who Pelosi is.

That is the problem, and our reps know it and use it.

Here she is working for her REAL bosses.


I used to be a big Pelosi supporter.....
until she parlayed her Congressional seat into a seat at The Rich White Man's Table.
She has NEVER looked back.
:(

[Joe Fields]

34. Meet the new boss...same as the old boss.

[arcadian]

12. Good job promoting the status quo.

:thumbsup:

[WilliamPitt]

14. Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Seriously, thank you. That was awesome. Do you do children's parties?

[arcadian]

21. Incongruous frat-boy quip.

Right back atchya!

:rofl:

[Independent_Liberal]

16. Which is why it's going to keep happening again and again.

I read a post earlier where somebody mentioned, if they're allowed to go unpunished again, our next Rethuglican president could very well make Hitler and Stalin look like rank amateurs by comparison.

I know hope is a hard thing to come by, but we can't give up. If we do, we doom ourselves to repeat the same mistakes over again and they're always worse the next time.

[WilliamPitt]

19. I never said don't try.

We always try. We actually do succeed now and again.

Always try.

[arcadian]

22. What are you talking about?

Your post is crying with defeatist/roll over attitude.

[WilliamPitt]

32. Is my post incorrect?

No.

Seeing reality for what it is does not make one a defeatist.

I've been working to impeach/defeat/expose these motherfuckers every day for almost eight fucking years. Did it work? Here and there. Was it worth trying every time? Fuck yes. Call me a defeatist? Kiss my ass.

Is that reality? It is for me.

Go peddle that bullshit somewhere else.

[dixiegrrrrl]

45. Sometimes all you can do is yell " The emperor is buck naked"

over and over, while the blind and deaf and too busy walk right past you.

I just know somewhere in the herd of lemmings, there are some, like me, trying to run backward in the packed mass, mad as hell at being caught up on the mindless stampede over the cliff.

[arcadian]

48. That's bullshit about lemmings committing suicide.

It was all staged by Disney. Look it up.

[dixiegrrrrl]

49. Metaphor....look up "metaphor"

[Generator]

53. A lemmings defense

You don't see that every day. LOL big time. Though you are correct about the lemmings but it's such the apropos image of our "Representatives"-even if the lemmings are innocent the Democratic congress would follow the Republicans off the cliff with not a shred of principle left clinging to their shirking corpulence while thinking it would get them elected just one more time.

[AndyA]

5. This is where President Obama can make a difference.

He can direct his Attorney General to look into the activities of the Bush Administration. If enough dirty deeds are found and publicized, it will be difficult for Pelosi to prevent anything from happening.

Obama's campaign told me his AG would look into the Bush Administration.

[BR_Parkway]

23. Well, considering the number of hawks and wall st supporters already

being named, the willingness to throw large groups of his own party to the side in an effort to make nice with the Repubs, things like more tax cuts for those who don't need them and little public regard lately for women's and LGBT rights - I'm not really surprised.

I'm sure I'm going to get flamed - sometimes it's much easier to keep cheerleading than to make an honest criticism.

But you know - if I was in Congress with an approval rating of the 12-14% range - I'd hope that I'd be smart enough to think "hmmm, this isn't what the people sent me here to do" and change my ways. Actually, if I was previously a Constitutional Law professor, I'd probably be thinking the same thing.

No matter who we vote for, it really doesn't seem to change very much at all. Sure, every vote counts so that this Senator gets the seat with all the perks vs that Senator - but I'm sure as hell not going to hold my breath hoping he's in that great, great minority that we've sent up the Hill that actually thinks he's there to do what's best for us - the progressives who gave money, time and effort to get him elected. Or just about any of the rest of them at this point.

[kath]

46. the campaign said a lot of things...

Do you really think Obama has the spine to investigate the Bushco motherf##%ers?
Especially given all the Repug-lite appointments he has made?

[Mojambo]

7. Just like always

I thought it was kind of cute during the election when some people thought the crimes would be investigated.

Adorable!

[blues90]

20. It's really amazing that these failed freaks

Even have the nerve to stand up their and take the position again when they have failed in every respect to date.

No all the crimes will blow right by into the ether and we are told we will look toward the future whatever that my be.

These people for the most part looked like the typical used car salesmen at a party of privileged fools.

[Joe Fields]

29. To paraphrase the great Adlai Stevenson; Have they no shame?

Rhetorical question, which we know the answer to. And, they are never satisfied. Their thirst for complete subjugation of the people is never ending. It won't be enough when we are on our knees. They will want us on our bellies, crawling, at their mercy.

[kath]

47. yeppers - I suppose they all took their oaths of office today - you know, where they swear

to preserve and defend the Constitution? That oath that they haved failed to uphold OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN?

I'm so sick of Pelosi and all those other enabling mofos.

[blues90]

50. Yes and the senators were sworn in by none other than

Ch---y . Now if that isn't the height of insanity I don't know what is.

I know this is tradition at it's best but OMG talk about hypocrisy if that word even comes close to describing it.

[JitterbugPerfume]

24. misdeeds flushed

right down the memory hole and most Americans have such a short attention span they just stand there and say Whaaaa???

[tom_paine]

27. Bad news all around. The rising stench is growing unbearable. Pelosi is the poster child for Faux

Opposition.

She is an embarrassment that would have happily graced any medeival court. She is vile in the extreme, not because of who she is or what she believes, butthat she has utter contempt for those she rules, and I suspect a non-understanding of the US Constitution. What does it have to do with her, after all?

Am I surprised? No. sadly, no.

It really is beginning to look as if we are going to REALLY find out where we stand.

Is Obama the man we hoped he was? Maybe, but the signs are very BAD for that right now.

[Fireweed247]

28. and because of this we will be rewarded with Jeb Bush 2012

count on it.

[Joe Fields]

30. I sure wouldn't bet against it.

[bvar22]

35. Say hello to Republican gains in 2010.

It is NOT that these people are "out-of-touch".

It IS that they just don't care about us.


I know the History books won't be kind to George Bush, but they will also have nothing good to say about the complicit "Opposition" Party. The Democrats will fare (historically) about as well as Neville Chamberlain or the Vichy French....

But it won't matter to them....safe in their Mansions and Gated Communities protected by private Police.....
Blackwater Home Security... for those who prefer their private police to NOT be accountable to US Law.



NOW we have Your Children’s Money too !!!
And there is not a fucking thing you can do about it!
Now THIS is “Post-Partisanship” !
Better get used to it!!
Hahahahahahahahaha!

[progressoid]

31. Eh.

Some of us never expected anything otherwise.

[WilliamPitt]

36. Defeatist.

:eyes:

[progressoid]

56. Sometimes my glass is half full...

but that usually doesn't last long :beer:

[4 t 4]

37. I am at the point now where I can't

stand to hear her voice or even look at her. I feel awful about that, but I couldn't be more disappointed with her performance if I tried.

[bvar22]

38. We don't have to wait for the Democrats.

We CAN "Go Private!"
Despite perceptions, WE really do have The Power.

I will donate $500 to ANY organization that will place a Bounty on Bush/Cheney to be paid to anyone who provides evidence or sworn testimony that leads to their indictment or arrest.

A small, transparent trust located in a neutral country like Switzerland could administer the fund. If the BOUNTY is promoted internationally, it would quickly grow to Mega-Millions.

The fund would also be tasked with running full page Wanted For War Crimes ads in major Global newspapers every 3 months until the Bounty is awarded or depleted.

I believe that such a fund would be wildly popular worldwide, and provide the administrators an opportunity to make a little money.
I have neither the resources or skills to institute such a fund, but like I said above, I am willing to donate $500. I also believe that there are at least a million more worldwide (extreme minimum) who would also be willing to donate....that adds up to some serious money.

Wanted
for
WAR CRIMES


A $500 Million Dollar Reward will be paid to any individual, organization, or country that provides evidence or sworn testimony that leads to the arrest, or the issuance of an Internal Arrest Warrant for War Crimes committed by George Bush, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, or Donald Rumsfeld.

It is clear that the Opposition Party (Democratic Party) and the US Justice Department will do NOTHING to hold the criminals accountable.
A private organization representing Citizens of the World would have better results.


Even if Bush/Cheney are never arrested, a Mega-Million Dollar International Bounty would certainly keep them looking over their shoulders, curtail retirement travel plans.

It would also put a nice ribbon around the Bush Legacy, AND serve as a warning to future "Unitary Executives".

Go BIG. Go PUBLIC. Go Global.

[tbyg52]

41. Oh @#$%.

Well, what did I expect....

[mmonk]

42. For once, let's don't leave it to the rulers.

We must work to force their hand or end their jobs.

[bigwillq]

43. How sad.

And the crooks and killers walk free again. :mad:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

51. Oh, I think you're suffering plenty of delusions. n/t

[Generator]

52. Accountability?

Is that a river in Egypt? It's easier being a fan than a crusader, he's not even president yet-you know!!! I do look at suits like Pelosi and wonder, who, who is this woman, really? They all have sticky fingers in so many pies. Cheney has FISA. White powder, too easy. Cowards is usually the answer-look at five thousand years of human history. Whew. It's like morse code around here.

[blues90]

54. watching that crap today was like 2006 re-hash

There were all the children whom of course have no worries like so many others and there was Pelosi and they were off with the vote.

Why not just run 2006 video , we would not have been able to tell the difference.

DC truely is bubble dome.

In reality what should happen is what happens to anyone else at any job, 90 days probation and if you screw it up then here comes the pink slip and on comes the next rep.

You would see change then.

Anyone can make promises then they get 6 years in a position and are allowed to get away with this. And then even when it is proven they failed instead of making an issue out of it they keep their seat and continue on without conscience.

So what we have are kings and Queens and their rule not our will carried out.

[bdamomma]

55. it maybe up to us to bug the hell out of our senators and reps.

crimes were committed.