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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:43 PM Original message |
Shouldn't there be tax breaks for people who DON'T have children? |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. I agree |
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Duckhunter935 (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. That would be nice |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. actually I don't mind doing that |
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Duckhunter935 (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Do not get me wrong |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
286. And when you went to school... |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yes! Who cares about the future! |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. People will fuck each other & have kids no matter what. |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Kids don't have an income, oh eloquent one. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
85. The overpopulated future, you mean...? |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 02:10 AM Response to Reply #2 |
124. School funding comes from property taxes |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #2 |
138. Unfortunately, too many PARENTS.............. |
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EnviroBat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #138 |
168. I agree... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #168 |
171. Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
309. Obviously the OP does |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
5. We who have no children get breaks on just about everything in life except taxes |
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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
26. I'm not quite sure what you mean. |
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Duckhunter935 (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Single serving size that are more expensive than normal size |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. no, that is choice, and not a good choice either. get normal size and then |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. I buy most of my food in bulk at Costco |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #35 |
97. and unless you have a family, have the stuff will rot before it's gone. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #97 |
101. I don't buy perishables at Costco unless they are freezable |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 02:25 AM Response to Reply #101 |
128. please explain when, where, and how i "smeared" you with that post? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 04:47 AM Response to Reply #128 |
134. You wrote "have (sic) the stuff will rot before it's gone" |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 07:51 AM Response to Reply #134 |
135. firstly, the "you" in that post is meant as any person in general, not a specific egotistical sap... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:06 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. I don't have to provide food, clothing, shelter, transportation, etc. for anyone but myself |
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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
63. That hassle is a choice parents make, but does not explain how I benefit |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #63 |
89. The subject seems like a tempest in a teapot to me |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:01 AM Response to Reply #89 |
98. i was just thinking the same. compared to what i pay in taxes, it is nothing. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:06 AM Response to Reply #89 |
102. It's just like the right wingers who bitch and moan about the taxes that go to welfare. |
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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:26 AM Response to Reply #102 |
106. I don't mind paying for other people's kids at all. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:34 AM Response to Reply #106 |
108. i will say again, i was old, 32, when i got married. single lots of years. i never |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #106 |
109. I don't think the point is that you have it easier. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:48 AM Response to Reply #102 |
111. in the last ten years it has gone the other way |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 01:03 AM Response to Reply #111 |
117. It is progressive |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 01:53 AM Response to Reply #117 |
123. because it is not progressive for people making $40,000 to pay |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 02:12 AM Response to Reply #123 |
125. Some of the costs I listed are voluntary? Which ones? |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 02:57 AM Response to Reply #125 |
129. I seem to have been mistaken, although I am not sure when it changed |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 03:02 AM Response to Reply #129 |
130. Oh, okay. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 03:31 AM Response to Reply #130 |
132. actually I think form 8812 was at the local library |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #123 |
162. "people making $40,000" |
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psychmommy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #111 |
216. don't families making under $30,000 qualify for the earned |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #102 |
185. But that's exactly what happens to single taxpayers without children. They are punished. Just look |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #185 |
257. No. I'm sorry. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #257 |
312. Poor people get EITC. If you are getting the tax credit you are NOT poor. |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #89 |
179. if the tax break is really only peanuts, then parents won't mind giving it up, right! n/t |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #179 |
183. That tax break doesn't mean much to middle- and upper-income people |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 06:26 PM Response to Reply #179 |
206. i didnt want it in the first second or third place. but they didnt listen to me. i don't mind |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #63 |
158. Yes |
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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #158 |
242. I can promise you this |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 11:13 AM Response to Reply #158 |
246. Brilliantly and succinctly put. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #158 |
274. That coud be said by anyone. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #274 |
279. Not really |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #158 |
284. So says the guy who is for lowering American wages. |
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BigAnth (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
263. Do you want decent medical care in your old age? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #263 |
314. Fewer children now would mean better-paid health care workers in the future |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:34 AM Response to Reply #31 |
107. some of that does not sound like a big deal to me |
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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:49 AM Response to Reply #107 |
113. you guys only had ONE dishwasher? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:57 AM Response to Reply #107 |
115. I don't know how old you are. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 01:21 AM Response to Reply #115 |
119. I said some of the things, not all of them |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 01:33 AM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Right, because there's no cost associated with sending your child to school. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 02:12 AM Response to Reply #120 |
126. Why should poor people care if middle class people stay middle class? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 02:18 AM Response to Reply #126 |
127. Oh, okay. Fuck the middle class, then. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 03:15 AM Response to Reply #127 |
131. I think it is better to fu$% the middle class than to fu$% the poor |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 03:32 AM Response to Reply #131 |
133. I saw that upthread after I posted the response above. |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #115 |
251. Kids do cost a lot |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #115 |
285. And how many people THINK about those things before they become parents? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #285 |
291. And how many circumstances change after people have children? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #291 |
304. I realize I came off harsh there and I'm sorry for that. |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
184. Ever get hit with the 'singles supplement' on tours/travel? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
6. It sure would be an incentive, at any rate! nt |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
7. They need the tax breaks to encourage you to breed more canon fodder. |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
65. Exactly! |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:17 AM Response to Reply #7 |
105. Tax breaks aren't an encouragement to breed. |
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stuntcat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
155. and more consumers |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
8. YES! |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
10. Yes. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
11. At one point, it was an incentive for people to marry and breed. |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
12. I would be up for this. |
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MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Ummm . . . so the human race doesn't die out? |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. I think the human race dying out for too few kids being born is the LAST thing... |
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MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:47 AM Response to Reply #22 |
110. Well yes . . . but survival is the reason that societies . . . |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #110 |
156. Childbearing has its benefits as well as its costs... |
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MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #156 |
222. If you want to talk about how large the human population on this planet should be . . . |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Let me know when we're in danger of that happening. |
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MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:49 AM Response to Reply #24 |
112. As a practical matter, it's probably unworkable . . . |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:06 PM Original message |
Well, if high school kids are getting busted for taunting and hurting elders in 2008... |
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MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:51 AM Response to Original message |
114. I was going to respond to your comment . . . |
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BeatleBoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
14. Wow. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
17. right on. I remember how I felt when a friend with 2 children she cannot afford |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
18. I think a cap on benefits at two kids... |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
19. YES! |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
20. It's not like the tax break is a reward |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:03 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. People choose to have kids. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:11 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. If your cats are going to be paying my social security in the future, fine /nt |
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greguganus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
281. lol n/t |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. But the costs to ALL of us later in an overpopulated world will be far worse! |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
60. Okay. So, do you want that overpopulated population |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #60 |
100. I agree that education is a big part of the solution... But we shouldn't be incentivizing... |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 01:14 AM Response to Reply #100 |
118. Incentivize |
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semillama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 09:44 AM Response to Reply #118 |
149. Tax breaks were the furthest thing from my mind when the wife and I were trying to concieve |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #118 |
153. Ultimately the real solution isn't adding or removing children's tax credits to fix the economy... |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #153 |
181. Yeah, we have to fix that stuff. |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #181 |
244. . |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #60 |
186. Are you claiming that the only reason you chose to have children is for the betterment of the |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #186 |
261. No, I'm not. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #60 |
310. Jesus what a martyr you are. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #20 |
315. What else would you call handing money to people because they did something? |
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vanderBeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
21. It's not as though tax breaks are "rewards" for having children. You said it yourself, children |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
23. People with no children AND unmarried people |
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Duckhunter935 (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Thank you- yes it is |
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Maine1991 (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:06 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. re:People with no children AND unmarried people |
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Duckhunter935 (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:11 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. So my share is more as a single and childless |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
49. It's not that I don't want to be married or have children, but if those circumstances |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #49 |
187. Bingo! |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
37. not really. the second breadwinner in the family is. say hubby makes in highest bracket |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
255. Honestly, as captain of the SINK fan boi club |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
29. We're in an emergency. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
200. The scary thing is that study after study for decades has verified the premise |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #200 |
224. I've always loved that quote. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
33. Kids are the demographic most likely to live in poverty. |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:11 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. What's bitter is a melting planet. |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #33 |
147. So, wouldn't it make more sense |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #147 |
173. Kids aren't consumer goods. |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #173 |
193. "My" war against parents? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #193 |
253. You have to understand that parents are really used to having their butts kissed |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #253 |
307. Yes, being called "greedy selfish breeders" is something we enjoy. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #307 |
320. I don't see anyone "taking it out on the kids" here. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #320 |
321. You expect to be able to punish parents independent of the kids? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 08:07 PM Response to Reply #321 |
324. Punished? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 08:09 PM Response to Reply #33 |
356. Especially since so many of them have deadbeat dads. nt |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
36. Yes. |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
38. Yes, I think so! n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
43. What about people who adopt children? |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:00 PM Response to Reply #43 |
57. A fantastic point that is being ignored. |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #43 |
148. Now THIS is a good idea. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #43 |
245. That would make it so much less outragey, though. (nt) |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
44. Also more of a FUTURE for the country in which they reside |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. I love responses like this! |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:01 PM Original message |
Not to mention keeping the world going for one more generation |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
70. Oh yes of course. |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #70 |
163. Do you have any evidence that the child tax credit |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
81. Yeah. We're really at risk of extinction. |
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stuntcat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #81 |
154. right on |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 09:31 AM Response to Reply #44 |
146. Precisely, Warpy. nt |
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WillowTree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
45. Absolutely not! |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
46. 2.3 is the average number of children. i am not seeing that as excessive |
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Duckhunter935 (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. I think the key is "average" |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
83. then it all averages out now, doesnt it. wink. n/t |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 09:09 PM Response to Reply #46 |
336. Over replacement level |
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dbackjon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
48. Agreed! |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
50. Look at it as an unemployment benefit... |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
51. Yes. |
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W_HAMILTON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
52. ... |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
54. Because it's not an incentive for having kids. Therefore, taking away |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
55. No children = No future |
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Duckhunter935 (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:01 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. US Population, 1918 it went down |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. You're right. A better way to put it? |
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Kaylee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #59 |
322. It went down because of the flu pandemic.... |
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I814U (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
56. I agree on the premise b/c of equal treatment under the law... |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:08 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. Not true. Human beings, per se, do not generate any productivity or revenue. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. What in the hell are you even doing here? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Excuse me? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. Liberals are indeed supposed to be smarter than that. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:34 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. You don't know what you are talking about. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:39 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Yes. Ludicrous. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:51 PM Response to Reply #82 |
90. "bitter Childfree types" |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:56 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Having a child would only compound your problems. |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 08:47 AM Response to Reply #92 |
140. My, how breeders DO whine.......... |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #140 |
256. Well, we wouldn't have to whine |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #92 |
160. Not having children ALSO costs a lot more as you get older too! |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #160 |
161. you will thru ss and medicare that you paid into but that wont nearly cover your cost that MY kid |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #161 |
166. "not contributing to the pot"? How about not contributing the overpopulation mess! |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #166 |
169. two here, so pat me on the back for not reaping your outrage. |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #169 |
174. Thanks for raising your kids well!... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #174 |
209. ha |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #209 |
228. I think you and I share a lot of the same concerns... |
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demodonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #161 |
205. "not contributing into the pot" is uncalled for! Some people CAN'T have childen. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #205 |
208. i was specifically |
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demodonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #208 |
213. Didn't sound that way to me. And I have heard many say the same in respect to ALL childless adults. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #213 |
215. you are attempting to give me stuff, garbage, that i wont own. of course it was obvious |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #215 |
230. Please also note that I'm also not married... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #213 |
217. further thought on this |
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demodonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 02:13 AM Response to Reply #217 |
240. I didn't "create" the stigma, I feel the effects of it. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #161 |
313. And what if your kid doesn't grow up to be a productive citizen? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #313 |
317. kid doesn't grow up to be a productive citizen?... we'll shoot him? guillotine? his odds are good |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #317 |
318. First off, I never said anything about eliminating people who aren't "productive" |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #318 |
323. then i guess you will just have to be annoyed because i really dont think it matters a bit |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #323 |
327. They don't annoy me at all if they aren't acting like whiny entitled attention hogs |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #327 |
330. hm..... n/t |
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tpsbmam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #160 |
248. Do you have any idea how many families don't take on that responsibility? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #160 |
254. But, see, I'm not calling for a removal of any sort of benefit, am I? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #160 |
272. Of course not, silly. |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #272 |
293. that's the most selfish reason there is for having children, too |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-12-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #92 |
358. A person tells you they don't have health insurance |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 08:46 AM Response to Reply #82 |
139. How about Jealous, Greedy Breeders? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #139 |
250. You know what? |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #82 |
189. But you don't seem to think that people who aren't married or don't have children are struggling as |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #189 |
249. What on earth could I have possibly said to give that impression? |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 01:47 AM Response to Reply #56 |
122. Have you figured out how this equates to you? (eom) |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
58. Let's be clear about our terms |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #58 |
165. be clear about our terms? |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
61. The first one should get a decent sized tax break... |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. ...or simply go to a "no-deduction" lower rate, graduated tax system. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
62. The tax break for kids is not forever.. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:14 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Oh puhleeze, enough with this "shrinking birth rate" shit. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. Well, yes. That's why the birth rate is slower here. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Holy strawman Batman! |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:32 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Sorry, I got the two confused. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. So would you be willing to reduce your child tax credit to increase the EITC? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. No. This is stupid. What is your beef with the child tax credit? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:56 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. Raise wages and raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:58 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. You're not getting it. |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #87 |
191. You already have, what, a $3400 exemption per child. Why do you believe the child tax credit is so |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #191 |
207. So, the value in something rests only in how long it's existed then? |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #68 |
88. Huh? All of the developed, educated nations have low birth rates.. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. You're right. We don't need more people to prosper. |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #94 |
157. Then we shouldn't need immigration to keep our system going |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
72. No. |
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fishnfla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
73. Abortion: safe, legal |
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RadicalTexan (607 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
75. Of course there should |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
77. I don't mind contributing to society |
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fishnfla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
86. wouldn't euthanasia be more cost efficient? |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:53 PM Response to Original message |
91. Children require money |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
96. Can we please have a POPULATION FORUM? |
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stuntcat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #96 |
152. POPULATION FORUM, yes PLEASE |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #152 |
172. :) I love you! |
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stuntcat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #172 |
175. omg BORN TO BE ALIVE |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 08:17 PM Response to Reply #96 |
295. It's still a taboo topic, but I agree |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
99. There is a big one already. When there is extra work and the boss says Joe or Sue gets the overtime |
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slutticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
103. Thank You! Been saying that for ever...... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
104. because kids can't take care of themselves |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:59 AM Response to Original message |
116. You're right! Children don't need to eat! The little bastards... |
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specimenfred1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
121. Yes, and churches that politicize should pay taxes |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 08:04 AM Response to Original message |
136. Our society and financial system are predicated on never-ending, exponential population growth. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
137. Children grow up to be future taxpayers. |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
141. As a parent, I may pay less in *income* tax, but I more than make up for it |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 08:51 AM Response to Reply #141 |
142. LOL. I thought you were going to say |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
143. That would work for us |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
144. You and I rarely agree on anything |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #144 |
177. It wasn't a choice with me, but I'm still being punished. |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #177 |
194. Well, let me tell you. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #194 |
211. i was 32 before i got married and then had kids. ALL those years |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 09:39 PM Response to Reply #194 |
229. Most people assume I've made a choice, apparently. Because |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
145. I've been asking that question for years....now I'll have some ideas |
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stuntcat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
150. Yep. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
151. i make more money in a number of ways. i get taxed more. it is SO unfair. |
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newportdadde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
159. I have 4 kids and I love spending your taxes.. ow and I won't die alone! |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #159 |
176. Oh, the money is fun. But what's more fun? Ruining the planet. |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #159 |
223. When I first opened up this thread I thought I was on the wrong forum. |
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dendrobium (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 10:41 PM Response to Reply #159 |
232. Is this the monthly Breeder bashing thread? |
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TroglodyteScholar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #159 |
234. Haha, entertaining post... |
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fight4my3sons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #159 |
319. . |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
164. No. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
167. A lower birthrate would have a negative fiscal impact on Social Security |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
170. No. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
178. Yes. But, it makes too much sense to ever happen in this country. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
182. You know what really bugs me. Tax breaks for small businesses. |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #182 |
192. There's a big difference between 'deductions' and 'credits'. Deductions help to reduce the amount of |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #192 |
203. Did you mean this in response to me? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #182 |
210. i dont know what tax break you are talking for small business, but they surely need it. they pay |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #210 |
287. What about those of us who don't have one? It woud be punishing us! |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #287 |
298. rollin eyes.... whine whine whine. It woud be punishing us! |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
188. I thinking tax breaks for parents who have above 110 IQ scores. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
190. Consider it pre-payment for your future paramedics... |
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108blessings (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
195. That is so true! I am so tired of child-free people getting the shaft! |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #195 |
196. Because a generation of poorly raised children is just what this country needs! |
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108blessings (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #196 |
197. I'm sorry--where did I advocate for that? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #197 |
221. No, DO share. What do you think about working parents? |
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108blessings (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #221 |
299. "Few prospects except parenthood?!" Am I hearing you correctly? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #299 |
301. You ain't been very far around the block, have you? |
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108blessings (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #301 |
302. Um...yes I have...and I never believed that the world was my oyster |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 10:06 PM Response to Reply #302 |
303. You're confusing the exceptions with the rule. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #301 |
333. Government policies that incentivize parenthood exascerbate that situation |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-10-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #333 |
337. Education is inversely proportional to the number of children a person has. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-10-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #337 |
345. You are conflating a tax credit that middle class parents get with aid to poor families |
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dugaresa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 09:11 PM Response to Reply #195 |
226. i can't tell you the number of single people I have picked up the slack for |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #226 |
277. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying |
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dugaresa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #277 |
292. what I meant is |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
198. Tax breaks for children are meant to make it financially more bearable for the people who raise them |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #198 |
199. The best way to make it more "bearable" to raise kids is for ALL of us to get better tax treatment! |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #199 |
201. Well, we're not at that point. |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #201 |
204. We're not at what point? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #204 |
243. Well I basically agree with you. |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #198 |
212. If you don't like the expense of having children... |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 11:02 PM Response to Reply #212 |
235. Too late. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #212 |
247. The same logic freepers use. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 07:49 PM Response to Reply #198 |
219. No, it makes childhood survivable. I find it perplexing that this is mysterious here. n/t |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #219 |
236. $1000 per child per year is what keeps all those kids alive? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #236 |
252. It also enables families with incomes of $150K to buy jetskis |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #252 |
262. Hmmmm |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 03:57 PM Response to Reply #262 |
283. That's what they said they spent it on. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
202. Personally I think that people like me who have no children of my own |
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trudyco (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #202 |
308. Way to go Madokie! nt |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
214. Well, I know couples who chose not to have children for the economic |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
218. I could argue that it's so that wealth isn't a barrier to childbearing |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #218 |
220. Dick Cheney probably would. nt |
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southerncrone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
225. I think tax breaks for reproducing should be limited. No more after 2 children, |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #225 |
227. welfare and aid for only TWO children. after that fuck em. hey, lets legislate how |
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southerncrone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #227 |
233. We are not legislating how many kids someone can have. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 11:42 PM Response to Reply #233 |
237. i am certainly not going ot decide for another. n/t |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #237 |
266. fine, no one is asking you to do so ... and we aren't deciding for other people either. n/t |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #233 |
258. What often happens in large families is that the older children are exploited |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #227 |
265. you can HAVE as many as you want ... we just won't subsidize more than two of them n/t |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #265 |
267. So, you think those extra kids somehow magically require less? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #267 |
280. Education and also a shift in the social pardigm |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #280 |
282. Okay. Wow. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #282 |
288. Please spare me the 2 dollar psychoanalysis. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #288 |
290. Yes. But you can't separate the children from the parents. |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #290 |
297. "We're not calling names like some people in this thread." |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #288 |
296. i noted that you/we childfree people are frequently called bitter.... |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #296 |
300. Yep. nt |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
231. A measly 1000 bucks a year is incentive? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #231 |
259. And shockingly, the birthrate among low income women in the UK has shot up |
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KakistocracyHater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
238. i agree |
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haele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-07-09 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
239. Income tax breaks or sales tax breaks? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #239 |
260. The problem a lot of us have with the tax breaks is not the amount |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 01:23 PM Response to Reply #260 |
264. Why would it, if it doesn't cover the cost completely? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #264 |
268. You are doing what I've seen you do elsewhere on this thread |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #268 |
270. Who's doing the conflating? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #270 |
271. Excuse me, but $1000 per middle class child is a LOT of money when you add it up |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #271 |
273. Yeah, it does add up. So do a lot of the things we pay for. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #273 |
275. I don't want get rid of things that benefit poor families. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #275 |
278. I am not conflating just because you say I am. |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 02:31 AM Response to Original message |
241. while i think people with kids need that child credit/tax break |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
269. This thread needs to be merged with the Social Security thread. nt |
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Stellabella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
276. Yes. |
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fadedrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
289. You make sense... |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
294. The GOP wants more consumers. The problem is that we're consuming everything |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-08-09 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
305. Yup...less for no kids and more for more kids |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
306. Uh-uh. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #306 |
311. So let's keep making more of those consumers! |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #311 |
316. I could support capping that, sort of, starting somewhere around two children per couple... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 08:07 PM Response to Reply #316 |
325. you could. you could support dictating people their choices in life, like the number of children |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 08:09 PM Response to Reply #325 |
326. We could just breed ourselves out of existence. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #326 |
328. so, you too are for legislation telling us how many children a person can produce? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 08:21 PM Response to Reply #328 |
329. Of course not. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #329 |
331. it has shifted considerably just not in all spectrums of our society |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #331 |
334. Where, other than on liberal internet discussion boards |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #334 |
335. are you kidding. out in the real world. take a child thru the grocery store |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-10-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #335 |
338. Take a child on an airplane |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-10-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #338 |
340. and god forbid the child actually makes a noise. i was always really really lucky |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-10-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #340 |
347. Oh cry me a river. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-10-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #347 |
348. so basically you are saying that you are the only one to talk about experiences |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-10-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #348 |
349. Ah..the marriage penalty. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-10-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #349 |
350. lol, i was gonna bring up kinda like people saying.... as i read your post |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 10:08 PM Response to Reply #331 |
357. You were never disrespected because you were never childfree. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-10-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #325 |
339. I see three options. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-10-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #339 |
341. so we tie womens tubes and run a dna bank on males to snip after the number? this is what you |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-10-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #341 |
342. I think you read post #316... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-10-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #342 |
343. then a welfare mother has four children. do we cap her at two? n/t |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #343 |
352. I would lean more toward phasing out the tax breaks... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #352 |
353. so our "heathenism" had nothing to do with it huh? du is funny, we only point the |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #353 |
354. I don't follow you at all. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-11-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #352 |
355. my fault |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-10-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #341 |
346. This is why I also agree with Orsino that #3 is the most likely option |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-09-09 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
332. If your concern is the amount of resources used |
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344. I just watched "The Bad Seed" on Netflix |
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351. Having recently given birth |
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