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SAXMAR Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 12:42 PM
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Give us our Social Security now!
How about giving Social Security to those who have used up unemployment and all other options?

saxmar

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 12:49 PM
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1. How about extending unemployment benefits
and raising the benefit level and including healthcare? In prior recessions unemployment compensation was always extended as the recession continued. But that was back before everyone in 'warshington' started drinking from the poisoned well of neoliberal orthodoxy.

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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 12:52 PM
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2. Get a job, hippie.
/repuke

Just kidding, hope things turn around for you.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 12:54 PM
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3. No. No more than you would expect to be paid life insurance proceeds while still alive....
Learn what Social Security is...The official name for it is: Social Security Old-Age and Survivors Insurance.

Get it? Old age and Survivors......That is what all of us have been paying into all of our lives. For our old age......

http://www.ssa.gov/
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 12:58 PM
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6. Exactly. It's like asking the auto insurer to give you the price of the insured car ...
... after paying a few months of premiums while still driving it.

(I continue to be gobstruck by how FUCKING STUPID some people are about Social Security.)
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 12:55 PM
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4. They need it to bail out more Wall St. corruption.
x(. I did not know, until recently, that the last four administrations looted social security. :grr:
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Duckhunter935 Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 12:55 PM
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5. I would be against it but I am working
If people do get it I just do not want to here some bitch because they will get less later on.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 01:01 PM
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7. And put one more stress on SS?
That is all we need.

LEAVE SOCIAL SECURITY ALONE and return the funds that have been stolen from it.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 01:03 PM
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8. Ummm...no.
SS is a safety net for old age, not unemployment insurance.

Were we to do this, how would you propose keeping the safety net intact?
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SAXMAR Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 01:19 PM
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10. What old age?
I know what Social Security is meant for. However if things don't improve many of us won't make it to old age.

I am an old hippy and don't take offense.

I would be agreeable to early use of Social Security being deducted from later use.

I started paying in to Social Security when I worked on a farm in 1970 when I was 16.

I worked part time even during college, full time during summer breaks.

I have worked full time since 1976.

I often worked more than one job at a time.

So paying in to Social security for well over 30 years I believe I have a right to have it help me get througfh hard times.

I doubt if it would happen but aren't we supposed to be finding ways to get through these times.

If the feds are giving money to banks without accountability can't I have access to my Social Security money with accountability.

saxmar
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 01:26 PM
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11. Live a good, healthy life and you will collect your Social Security for a long time.....
....In most cases, people collect way more than they paid in.

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 02:36 PM
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13. The problem is that we don't let people starve in the streets...
...so using the money now wouldn't leave enough for an adequate safety net later and we'd all have to pay in more.

I hear what you're saying, but it'd kill the system.

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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 01:16 PM
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9. How bout a bailout check a big one...if it's good for the banks it is good for the citizen at large.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 01:29 PM
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12. How about a Basic Income?
Even Nixon was all for a Guaranteed Minimum Income
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 04:36 PM
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14. Yes I agree that is if you are not disabled and on a fixed income yes basic income sounds good to me
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 04:50 PM
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15. Well if they haven't had spent Social Security like income tax revenue over the years...
They would actually have the funds to properly provide people with better social services that you are asking for, but tax cuts for the wealthy and blowing the treasury on Corporate Welfare was much more important to the common good and welfare of the citizens.
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 04:50 PM
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16. Echos of the Bonus March?

Obama had made a few statements about tightening up the sacred cow called Social Security. A bonus from it ain't going to happen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

The self-named Bonus Expeditionary Force was an assemblage of some 43,000 marchers — 17,000 World War I veterans, their families, and affiliated groups, who protested in Washington, D.C., in spring and summer of 1932. Called the Bonus March by the news media, the Bonus Marchers were more popularly known as the Bonus Army. The war veterans sought immediate, cash payment of Service Certificates granted them eight years earlier via the Adjusted Service Certificate Law of 1924. Each Service Certificate, issued to a qualified veteran soldier, bore a face value equal to the soldier's promised payment, plus compound interest. The problem was that the certificates (like bonds), matured twenty years from the date of original issuance, thus, under extant law, the Service Certificates were un-redeemable until 1945.

The Bonus Army was led by Walter W. Waters, a former Army sergeant, and were encouraged in their demand for immediate cash-payment redemption of their service certificates by retired U.S.M.C. Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, one of the most popular military figures of the time.

The practice of war-time military bonuses began in 1776, as payment for the difference between what a soldier earned and what he could have earned had he not enlisted.<1> Before World War One, the soldier's military service bonus (adjusted for rank) was land and money — a Continental Army private received 100 acres (0.40 km2) and $80.00 at war's end while a Maj. Gen. received 1,100 acres (4.5 km2). In 1855, Congress increased the land-grant minimum to 160 acres (0.65 km2), and reduced the eligibility requirements to fourteen days of military service, or one battle; moreover, the bonus also applied to veterans of any Indian war.<2> Breaking with tradition, the veterans of the Spanish-American War did not receive a bonus, and, after World War One, their not receiving a military service bonus became a political matter when WWI veterans received only a $60 bonus. In 1919, the American Legion was created, and led a political movement for an additional bonus.

In 1924, over-riding President Calvin Coolidge's veto, Congress legislated compensation for veterans to recognize their war-time suffering: receive a dollar for each day of domestic service, to a maximum of $500; and $1.25 for each day of overseas service, to a maximum of $625. Amounts owed of $50 or less were immediately paid; greater sums were issued as certificates of service maturing in 20 years.

Some 3,662,374 military service certificates were issued, with a face value of $3.638 billion. Congress established a trust fund to receive 20 annual payments of $112 million that, with interest, would finance the $3.638 billion dollars owed to the veterans in 1945. Meanwhile, veterans could borrow up to 22.50 per cent of the certificate's face value from the fund, but, in 1931, because of the Great Economic Depression, Congress increased the loan value to 50 per cent of the certificate's face value, yet, by April 1932, loans amounting to $1.248 billion dollars had been paid, leaving a $2.36-billion-dollar deficit. Although there was Congressional support for the immediate redemption (payment) of the military service certificates, President Hoover and Republican congressmen opposed that, because it would negatively affect the Federal Government's budget and Depression-relief programmes. Meanwhile, veterans organisations pressed the Federal Government to allow the early redemption of their military service certificates.

FULL content at link.

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