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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 11:20 AM
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Did Democrats want Bush to fail?
Larry Elder

But what of Democrats who rooted against the success of George W. Bush?

"Would you say you want President Bush to succeed or not?" asked an August 2006 Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll. The result? Ninety percent of Republicans wanted Bush to succeed, versus 7 percent who did not. Among independents, 63 percent wanted the President to succeed, compared with 34 percent who did not. What about Democrats? Forty percent wanted him to succeed, but 51 percent did not .


OMG you mean 6 years into his presidency Democrats didn't want anymore success from Bush. I can't believe it. I mean Bush had succeeded at getting us into an unending war in Iraq for no real stated reason or goal, failed to deal with the war on Terror, failed to handle Katrina, given huge tax breaks to the rich, watch the middle class salary decline by an average of 2K and was shopping around a plan to put social security into the stock market. Sorry if we didn't want any more success from W at that point. What is the correct answer to do you want the US to win Iraq? I mean Larry intelligent people realized pretty early there was no such thing as "win" in the Iraq situation. Larry Elders the man that thinks your opinion 6 years into a presidential term is similar to 1 month into a term. There's a difference complaining about the drivers driving before the car starts and 2 feet after you run off the cliff.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20090312/cm_uc_crlelx/op_249311;_ylt=Ai1PEqwX6P6b24lrAWDC4uX9wxIF
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 11:22 AM
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1. I didn't have to want Bush to fail. I knew that he would fail ordinary Americans
and help his Big Money buddies and that is what he did.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 12:31 PM
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21. I think we knew his policies would fail yes
To summon Newt though, we didn't want him to fail. I mean there's a lot more to the presidency than pure policy. I mean he's in charge of the executive branch which includes all the major departments of government. We might of felt Bushes Tax cuts wouldn't work, but who knew he couldn't even get Fema to work or the Justice department. Bush took civil departments that in general had worked across multiple administrations and some how destroyed them. Bush was a total failure at management, which funny enough the CEO president was suppose to be great at. 6 year into Bush co it's clear his policies failed, but pretty much we saw that coming, but Bush also had failed as an executive.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 11:22 AM
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2. what's funny about that is that question wasn't listed on that poll when it was
released back in 2006

according to KO anyway on his show last night
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 11:41 AM
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15. did ko really say that?
I hope not, because the question was part of that poll and was reported on contemporaneously with its release.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/FOX_230_release_web.pdf

What is interesting is that in 2007 a story that referenced that poll suggested that the question was whether those being polled wanted bush to succeed "in Iraq". The "in Iraq" part wasn't actually in the question, however.

The whole thing is a tempest in a teapot imo.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 11:23 AM
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3. LOL. They didn't need to.
Bush was a walking failure machine already.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 11:24 AM
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4. No, we knew he would
And when it came to his administrations attempts to water down the Bill of Rights, we were right to want him to "fail" and the SCOTUS decisions that brand his attempt "failure" are a relief to hear about.

That's entirely different from wanting the economy to fail just due to political opposition to the concept of government regulation.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 11:26 AM
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5. did i want his goal of destroying America to succeed?
of course i didn't.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 11:28 AM
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6. Yep. Kinda like betting on a sure thing.
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VeraAgnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 11:29 AM
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7. Activist Democrats saw
Edited on Thu Mar-12-09 11:30 AM by VeraAgnes
thru the *bush lies and called the GOP and *bush out on them....we all lived to witness *bush failures..that is the vast difference.
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Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 11:29 AM
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8. We knew failing was the only thing he was successful at.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 11:31 AM
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9. I didn't. After Gore gave his gracious concession speech, I hoped for the best for the sake of the
country.

After 9/11, I hoped he would be successful - another US President rising to the challenge after a tragedy.

After we invaded Iraq, even though I thought it was a huge mistake/error/disastrous turn, I hoped we would be successful. I hoped we would be greeted as liberators with flowers (even though I never thought it would happen) for the sake of our soldiers, our country and the world.

So, no, I didn't hope Bush failed. I was sorry that I ended up being right about him because it has been a tragedy for our country and the world.

By 6 years in, he had proven what a failure he was and we just wanted the country to survive with as little damage as possible. That was before the ticking time bomb he left in the economy exploded. :(
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Caliman73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 12:37 PM
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22. True
I felt that the election was pretty much a farce, but determined that I would hope for the best for the nation. What I wanted was for Bush to just stop making stupid decisions that took us further and further into the abyss. I disagreed with his policies from the start. I disagree with Republican ideology, but why would we want the country to fail? The right wing media is just trying to strike back after their constituency has been exposed as fear mongering people who are simply reacting to their fears. They seem to understand nothing about what is actually going on. They know nothing about the actual intent of Democratic policies. All they can manage to react to is "Socialism", "Government bad", and other such nonsense.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 01:13 PM
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23. I think we wanted the executive branch to work
but knew Bushes policies would fail. We want the EPA, FDA, FEMA, Justice department etc. to actually function. We need the executive branch. By 6 years into the Bush administration I think it's fair to say Democrats caught on that Bushes executive branch failed. I don't feel bad for wanting illegal wire taping to fail, or illegal prejudice hiring practices to fail. When a president is elected we may or may not want his policies to pass in congress, but we sure as expect the civil departments of government to work. We want those to always work. You want the bus driver to keep the bus on the road, even if your not happy with where they are driving you.
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 11:32 AM
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10. Bush put politics ahead of America. This is not how you lead America.
"we cannot have a thriving Wall Street while Main Street suffers."

From Obama's Chicago election night victory speech.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/obama.transcript/?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail

Is there anyone surprised that bush failed?

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 11:32 AM
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11. They got their wish...
He succeeded. I wish he had failed. But unfortunately, he succeeded in everything he tried. At the expense of the country and the world. Be careful what you wish for - you just might get it.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 11:34 AM
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12. The same people still claim to this day that we "hate the troops"
When it was clear that what we hated was Bush's illegal war. Most of us hated it before it even started.

This latest accusation isn't even worth a response because it's pure bullshit.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 11:35 AM
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13. Cardiac or respiratory?
Edited on Thu Mar-12-09 11:36 AM by 11 Bravo
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 11:36 AM
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14. We didn't have to. We knew he would fail.
Our wishes were never a factor.
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 11:41 AM
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16. Want him to fail? Never a question with me
he was major failure from day 1. We just got to watch the nightmare unfold year after year. Its like one we couldn't wake up from.

did i want iraq to win? about as much as I wanted to win in vietnam and about as much chance to do so.

I did want him to fail in one area religion. I felt like it had no place in government and the more and more it was taking over stuff I wanted that to fail.

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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 12:24 PM
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17. I wanted him to fail to get reelected, NOT f*ck up the country!!!
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 12:25 PM
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18. Sure I wanted his misguided, extreme policies to fail.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 12:29 PM
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19. Democrats just hoped he wouldn't screw things up beyond repair.
It was a given that everything that he touched turned to shit, but that is not hoping that he failed.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 12:29 PM
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20. I can tell you right now, that after 9/11 happened, there wasn't anyone in this
country that wanted Bush to fail. We all rallied around him and supported his efforts. Even though I didn't think he was a legitimate President. Even though I thought we had been robbed of our true President. I sure as hell wanted him to succeed. When he invaded Afghanistan, we wanted success. We supported him, for the most part. But we sure wanted him to prevail. Even when we thought he was wrong, like with Iraq... we still wanted him to succeed. The argument is bs.
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