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seafan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 05:16 PM Original message |
In storm-ravaged, poverty-stricken Haiti . . . orchids bloom |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. The biggest problem Haiti has is that it has more people than it can support |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Actually that's far from the problem. That's some extreme marginalization of the problem. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Overpopulation is a problem everywhere |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Desertification can be reversed...however that's not the problem. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. no, it's not a desert. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Rice Corporation of Haiti (RCH) |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Yup, just posted something of the sort. Don't forget to mention Black Pigs. n/t |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
42. "was once" being the keyword there |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 07:15 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. The other poster is Haitian. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Could we agree there are many ills that plague Haiti? |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. There is no way that small island can egolocially support 10 million people |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Actually I've always wondered how the census was taken there... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. It's not correct. Most recent official numbers = neighborhood of 8.5 million. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. I know it's not. It's a waste of time to dispute it though. |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Fine I'll give you the 8.5 million number instead of the U.N number of 10 million |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Sort of proves my point though. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
40. The "overpopulation" meme re Haiti has a long history of use as rationalization for the poverty of |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. Gee, they've improved their food production over the century...no surprise. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. 1. The "overpopulation" meme goes back at least as far as the 20s, per TIME. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 05:32 AM Response to Reply #49 |
61. One of the articles said the island was overcrowded in 1793: |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. Population/km2 |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
35. Silly ratio |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Can Belgium support its population without imports? |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Sustainably is the key word |
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tangent90 (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 08:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
52. Overpopulation is ABSOLUTELY the case. Five people in an ecosystem that can |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 02:59 AM Response to Reply #52 |
59. You are so wrong it's not funny. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Yes - and it could support more if they hadn't have deforested it earlier |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
47. pfft. |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Um ... Haiti shares an island with the Dominican Republic. Here is an aerial view ... |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I know, I've been to both. |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. We've had this food argument on DU before. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Exactly. n/t |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
31. I don't remember any previous argument, so maybe we have covered this ground before. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. the us imports food. so does japan. so do many countries. |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
36. The US isn't a NET importer of food. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. RE Net food importers: |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Yes, any country that is a NET food importer is living beyond their environment |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. no, they're not. because the decision to import food is made on PRICE, |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 08:07 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Fine, have it your way |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 05:17 AM Response to Reply #53 |
60. Nope, I'm talking about specific facts, you're talking about some big picture. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Haiti's biggest problem is that following her successful revolution |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Thank you! |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Mentioned this and it was ignored. The US is to blame for 1/3 if not half of Haiti's problems. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. You're right |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
39. Have you ever seen how rich Haitians live? |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
2. You do realize most of the crushing poverty is blamed on the various US invasions right?! |
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Aloha Spirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
3. Cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
5. This would be interesting if orchids were edible. |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
11. They have an abundance of solar power that could be used for |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
21. Question...Am I the ONLY Haitian-American (born in Haiti) on this thread?! |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Don't stay away |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 06:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Will do. Vous etes Ayitien? n/t |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. I'm your neighbour |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. edit, wrong poster. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. why leave? refute the bullshit claims. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. No Doubt. It's so exhausting. Especially when know half the people aren't listening. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. I would have hurled the text book and walked out |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 10:31 PM Response to Reply #38 |
55. I'm glad you joined this thread. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-15-09 02:55 AM Response to Reply #38 |
58. Completely true. Surprisingly enough though there was massive cultural improvement |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
54. I'm glad you joined this thread. |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-14-09 10:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
56. I agree with Hannah and Malaise: don't leave. |
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