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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 12:37 PM
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Leaked GOP Talking Points: Blame Dodd For AIG Mess
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/19/dodd-democrats-targeted-f_n_176848.html

Dodd, Democrats Targeted For AIG Mess In GOP Talking Points

The Republican Party is going to great lengths to tie Democrats -- and Sen. Chris Dodd in particular -- to the lavish bonuses issued by bailed-out insurance giant AIG. The GOP is sending out emails targeting the Connecticut Democrat and passing around talking points painting him and the Democratic Party as stooges of big business.

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THE TALKING POINTS ISSUED BY THE REPUBLICAN CONFERENCE:

All - below are a few basic points on AIG that may be useful. The last bullet is the latest update on Senator Dodd's involvement in the AIG bonus scandal. --Ryan

· $170 billion - total amount AIG received in bailout funds

· Approximately 400 executives and traders at AIG received $165 million in bonuses.

· Average bonus received if $165 million in bonuses split evenly between executives: $412,500

· An amendment to the stimulus sponsored by Senators Snowe and Wyden "would have forced AIG to pay nearly $58 million in taxes on top executive bonuses." The amendment passed the Senate by voice vote, but was stripped from the final stimulus bill by Democrats in a closed door meeting.

Senator Grassley on the stimulus conference committee: "Being named a conferee to the conference committee for the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act meant you were invited to the final, formal meeting late on February 11, where the conference report was announced after it was finalized. This meeting was a photo op that took place hours after Majority Leader Reid announced that the Democrats had reached a deal. Every Republican on the conference committee was left out of the negotiations and consultations entirely. The fact is that the bill the President signed, which protected the AIG bonuses and others, was written behind closed doors by Democratic leaders of the House and Senate. There was no transparency, so the only way the public will ever know who added the language to protect bailout company bonuses is if someone from the small group of Democrats in the room says so."

· After removing the Wyden-Snowe amendment approved in the Senate, Democrats then inserted an amendment similar to one originally proposed by Senator Dodd that provided an "'exception for contractually obligated bonuses agreed on before Feb. 11, 2009' -- a provision that exempts the AIG bonuses Congress is now trying to recoup."

· Democrats did not put the "American Recovery and Reinvestment Act" online for five days of public review and comment as President Obama pledged to do with legislation during his campaign.

· Dodd initially denied having anything to do with the provision that allowed AIG bonuses. He recanted yesterday after Treasury officials told CNN on background that they had been aware of the provision and worked with Dodd to insert the language into the legislation. Dodd would not answer questions as to whether Secretary Geithner knew about the bonus language. President Obama yesterday said that Geithner was "making all the right moves" and that he, the President, was ultimately responsible.. The cover of the Hartford Courant leads today with the headline: "Dodd's Flip-Flop."
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 12:42 PM
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1. Obama and Todd both got caught lying on an issue to which we can all relate.
Really bad timing for both of them as they have poisoned the entire bailout debate.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 12:49 PM
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4. Obama was caught lying?
You mean when he took responsibility for whatever is going on with Bonuses?

Yes he was, but at least he understands that the buck stops with him, even if
it really wasn't his fault that our economy smells like shit.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 12:52 PM
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6. He was caught pretending that he was surprised and outraged by
by bonus provision he supported.

The buck stops with Christopher Dodd.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 12:59 PM
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8. What part of Obama taking responsibility do you not understand?
Is it disappointing for you?
Were you expecting another Bush, and Obama messed that up for you?
Hard to call someone a liar who has already said he will take the hit, hey?

So what's your plan now? Hearings and subpoenas so that we can get the President
to "lie" under oath via gotchas? Will that give you the feeling you've been looking for?
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:04 PM
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11. I don't really understand what that means.
Is he taking responsibility for the mistakes made, saying they shouldn't have, and now changing his position? That would be fine.

Not sure if Obama is on the hook for this, but frankly I would be surprised if he didn't know about those provisions - or lack thereof - in the bailout bill. He CAN get away with taking responsibility for that, however, and trying to fix it.


However Geithner clearly lied. He should be fired.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 04:17 PM
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27. AIG got the bailout money during the Bush administration, back in Nov IIRC
Edited on Thu Mar-19-09 04:20 PM by notadmblnd
This isn't money from the bill that congress and the Obama administration passed. Maybe that's where people are getting confused? The only way I think Obama can be held partially responsible, is if he voted for it in the Senate. If he's responsible, then he shares the blame with lots of others.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:06 PM
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12. He did not take any responsibility whatsoever.
Simply saying "the buck stops here" is not the same as taking responsibility.

If you believe otherwise, please let us know what it was that he did for which he now takes responsibility.

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:16 PM
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15. You're denying Obama took responsibility?
You're denying Obama said, ""Ultimately I'm responsible, I'm the president of the United States?"
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:21 PM
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17. For what?
How can he take responsibility for something if he won't even let us know what that something is. And can you think of a better way of not taking responsibility?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:00 PM
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10. Hey, could be worse.
At least he's not pretending global warming isn't happening.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:08 PM
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13. Oh, no. Did I damage you so bad that you need to stalk me now?
Poor little coward.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 12:42 PM
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2. they've sure targeted this place!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 12:51 PM
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5. Yep, mission accomplished at DU.
Fortunately most of us can spot the BS from a mile away.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 12:42 PM
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3. Typical - like focusing on Whitewater instead of entire S&L crisis - it was the only way they could
Edited on Thu Mar-19-09 12:45 PM by blm
get away with turning it into a Dem scandal while at the same time confusing the public who really set up the S&L failures.

This is how GOPs get to rewrite history.

Notice that BFEE prncipals like Quayle and Snow haven't even been mentioned in all of AIG's problems?
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:00 PM
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9. You are projecting. The stand against bonuses has been a Dem issue.
Until now.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 02:38 PM
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19. That doesn't change the fact the GOPs are making hay with it and twisting it to THEIR benefit
against Dodd and Obama.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 03:47 PM
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24. Of course they are. They're hypocrites.
We should not be. But it seems that most of us are.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 04:10 PM
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26. I call it the way it is no matter what.... that's consistency.
.
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 12:58 PM
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7. "painting...the Democratic Party as stooges of big business"
OMG, my irony meter just redlined!
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:09 PM
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14. I thought there was something fishy going on ...
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:17 PM
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16. Bush administration specifically approved the bonuses...
...please see this thread in LBN:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3790783

There's plenty of blame to go around, let's make sure that the Bush cabal get their fair share -- that would be the lion's share.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:29 PM
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18. Aren't you conflating two different pieces of legislation?
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 03:16 PM
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22. Huh?
Aren't we talking about AIG bonuses and bailout funds? Wasn't one of the questions, who knew what and when? Are we not interested in the origins of this fiasco? Or are you saying that whatever happened had nothing to do with the TARP agreements made last November?
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 03:36 PM
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23. I'm saying that the entire scandal is the result of what Dems did last month.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 02:42 PM
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20. what else is new, when do the repigs ever hold themselves
accountable NEVER. They love making a Dem look like an ass.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 02:44 PM
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21. Anytime Buchanan is trotted out early
you can expect the talking point on GEM$NBC. When they brought on the GECNBC people over to GEM$NBC to push the same line, you know their agenda is in sync with the Rushicans and their fellow corporate friends.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 03:59 PM
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25. all one has to do to get the talking points is listen to a bit of talk radio
they always do the groundwork repetition to establish them by the end of the day or week

it's been like that for almost 20 yrs, with limbaugh getting first dibs, too bad the dem party or the liberals they were always wacking over the head never figured it out.
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