Euthanasia for Cancer Victims should not be the only option!!! National Health Care Now!!!

[Renwiick]

President Obama needs to be a "Passionate Democrat"... He needs to be a "Passionate American". National Health Care Now!!!!!!!! Especially for children with cancer. No million dollar bonuses for bankers.....millions of dollars of heartfelt support for the sick in America. If you agree.....makes some noise on this DU forum. We are Democrats and we will not be pushed into the corners of life by social Darwinists no more!!!!!!!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Fuckin' eh.

[Renwiick]

3. Thanks for making some noise!!!!!!

[ulysses]

2. ?

I ask as a former child with cancer.

[Horse with no Name]

4. Euthanasia?

Who is advocating euthanizing cancer patients?
Personally--I feel that anyone that is terminal that doesn't want to suffer should be allowed to die with dignity on their terms without it being termed suicide.
But randomly euthanizing people? No fucking way.
National Healthcare for ALL--not just cancer patients, but it is a start.

[Renwiick]

5. A Cancer victim should not have Euthanasia as an only option to ending the suffering....

The best medical treatment should be an option.

[GreenPartyVoter]

6. Everyone should have the best healthcare available, but don't take away

the option for people to end their lives with dignity. That is very important too.

[Renwiick]

8. Choice is Paramount!!!!!! National Heath Care gives them that choice.

[Horse with no Name]

7. sometimes the "best medical treatment" only prolongs the suffering

The choice should be up to the individual.

[Renwiick]

9. Suffering with a chance is better than suffering with no chance at all.

[GreenPartyVoter]

10. Sometimes there is no chance. Not even the slimmest ray of hope. For those people

ending their lives is the mercy, not prolonging them.

[Renwiick]

12. 0% of hope...no way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Horse with no Name]

13. Luckily for you

You must not have ever watched someone you love suffer with cancer.
I've watched lots of people I don't love suffer and I believe that there should be a mercy option treatment that is NOT termed suicide (because of the religious implications)to end their lives with dignity and on their own terms.
Life is measured in quality, not quantity, and when the best thing that you can say about your day is that you only threw up 10 times instead of 20...or that your pain was only rated 10/10 scale, instead of 20/10 scale...then mercy seems apt and proper.

[nancyr]

27. You are so right.

I've lost two husbands to cancer, and only a sadistic moron would want to see a terminally ill person suffer un-neccessarily. I am here to tell you that some cases ARE hopeless, and all the treatment and positive thinking in the world is not going to change the course of certain types of cancer. Optimism is good, but reality has to set in at some point. Thank God for options like hospice and having a Living Will! There is very little dignity involved when someone is wasting slowly and surely away and there is NO HOPE.

[GreenPartyVoter]

15. Yes, absolutely way. My MIL died from pancreatic cancer and it was a horrific

death. Just horrible. She suffered terribly then finally slipped into a coma for the last week of her life. We turned the machines off and she lingered a little while after that, but never came out of the coma. Just finally took her last breath and was gone. :cry:

[Horse with no Name]

16. ......

:hug:

[GreenPartyVoter]

17. .....

I know how much you understand this... :hug:

[Renwiick]

21. It's hard to get out of the rain.

[Horse with no Name]

22. Huh?

:wtf:

[uppityperson]

23. bad song lyrics "Horse with no Name. hard to get out of the rain..."

[cabluedem]

28. Amen to that. Life is terminal for all of us.

[Mike 03]

11. This is my question too.

I'm watching members of my family struggle with terminal cancer, and I have huge questions about what help would be available to me if I were in the same position and whether I would want it or not.

[Horse with no Name]

14. I'm sorry for you and your family's suffering

I've been there. It isn't easy to watch.
For me personally, the decision wouldn't be hard to make.:(

[w8liftinglady]

18. watching my dad die with pancreatic cancer...

I was so grateful that his hospice doctor and nurses believed in the "care,not cure" philiosophy.He was virtually pain-free until he died.
I try to keep my terminal patients as pain-free as possible,and spend a lot of time helping their families accept a gentle death.It's hard to watch a loved one die,but much harder to watch them suffer and die.

[uppityperson]

24. They should have it as an option though. Who has it as "only option"?

"Suffering with a chance is better than suffering with no chance at all." If that is your choice, but don't force it on others.
"Choice is Paramount!!!!!!" Give the choice.

[patrice]

19. Single Payer National Health Care now!

What does it mean to be American? What IS the American "deal"? In exchange for my/our acceptance, participation, and cooperation in and with the group's values, laws, economic and other systems, I/we receive what? Money? What is money? Money is digits encoded as 0s and 1s in various mediums and processed by various private owners of the devices that do the processing. So these digits are what I/we receive from America in exchange for my/our participation and cooperation with America?

My/our labor, my/our time, my/our talents, my/our cooperation are concrete real values in exchange for which the group OWES me/us concrete real values in return, such as Universal Health Care, a complete appropriate education, and rational National Security that does not put us in danger by killing millions of foreigners who do not need killing.

[Renwiick]

20. Interesting response.

[patrice]

25. Labor as capital upon the investment of which we have the right to demand a profit

that we, the investors, define as appropriate to our investments.

[patrice]

26. P.S. In today's economic climate, illnesses that are expensive to treat MUST

be tracked out of the system as soon as possible, so that more of the cheaper, more commercially successful, treatments and "therapies" can be processed in order to increase profits.

BTW, I belong to a large extended family and I have seen 5 cases of cancer in the last 12 years. 4 have passed on.

Another very expensive illness is Old Age.

[Renwiick]

29. ....

[patrice]

30. What we're getting is MacMedicine.

Some of my family members have un-deniable questions about how their loved one's cancer was dealt with.

[aikoaiko]

31. I don't understand your post. Is there some plan where euthanasia is the only option?

:shrug:

There is medicare and medicaid