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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:23 AM
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What Leno said was MORE offensive
THE PRESIDENT: It's like -- it was like Special Olympics, or something. (Laughter.)

LENO: No, that's very good.

So he is implying Special Olympics is BAD!! That's much worse than what the president said.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:25 AM
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1. That's what I said too. Leno was doing a mock "talk nice to the disabled kid"
If anything's offensive (I don't think any of it IS), it should be that!
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:32 AM
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4. Oh baloney. The OP is not even correct. If you see the full exchange,
Leno said "no, that's very good" before Obama even mentioned the Special Olympics. Then after Obama has mentioned Special Olympics, Leno has repeated "no, that's very good."
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:33 AM
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6. I don't think that's what Leno was doing at all
Edited on Fri Mar-20-09 09:34 AM by fishwax
He was just being sarcastic about the score, but I don't see how anything he did was mocking special olympics :shrug:
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:34 AM
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7. Well it's obviously how Obama took it, and I think one could
certainly see it that way.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:36 AM
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8. That's baloney. Leno has repeated the same "no, that's very good"
Edited on Fri Mar-20-09 09:37 AM by LisaL
comment before and after Obama's Special Olympics comment.
"LENO: Now, are they going to put a basketball -- I imagine the bowling alley has been just burned and closed down.
THE PRESIDENT: No, no. I have been practicing all -- (laughter.)

LENO: Really? Really?

THE PRESIDENT: I bowled a 129. (Laughter and applause.)

LENO: No, that's very good. Yes. That's very good, Mr. President.

THE PRESIDENT: It's like -- it was like Special Olympics, or something. (Laughter.)

LENO: No, that's very good.

THE PRESIDENT: No, listen, I'm making progress on the bowling, yes."


http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2009/03/obamas_insensitive_special_oly.html
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:39 AM
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9. How does him repeating it change the interpretation?
It's obvious that is how Obama took it that way, regardless of how YOU did.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:41 AM
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12. You seriously don't get it?
The OP seems to be making a claim the Leno was mocking Special Olympics. Since Leno said "no, it's very good" before Obama has even mentioned Special Olympics, how on Earth could Leno have been mocking Special Olympics? Get a clue.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:41 AM
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13. You seriously don't get it?
The OP seems to be making a claim the Leno was mocking Special Olympics. Since Leno said "no, it's very good" before Obama has even mentioned Special Olympics, how on Earth could Leno have been mocking Special Olympics? Get a clue.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:43 AM
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16. Why COULDN'T he have? What do you think Obama was reacting to that made him say it!?
It was the way Leno was talking to him! Do *you* really not get it?

Obama mentioned Special Olympics because that's how Leno was talking...the way some people talk to disabled kids.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:48 AM
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21. Oh for crying out loud. How ridiculous can it get?
Edited on Fri Mar-20-09 09:50 AM by LisaL
Are you people for real? So, if I tell you I am not good in something, and you tell me "no, it's very good" I should immediately imply you are mocking Special Olympics? O'key.
:eyes:
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:54 AM
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28. Yes indeed, how ridiculous can the outrage here get?
WHY do you think Obama responded to him that way? Because of the way Leno responded to his bowling score! Duh. Or do you still not get it?

I swear, some people really love being pissed off. Doesn't matter at what, as long as they have something to be mad about.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:56 AM
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29. I've already said that this logic is ridiculous.
Leno didn't mention Special Olympics, Obama did. Quit blaming everyone else for what Obama does or says.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:59 AM
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31. You're acting like Leno said NOTHING before Obama spoke.
The way Leno spoke was joking about the way some people talk to disabled kids. Which is why Obama said what he did. Duh.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 10:07 AM
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37. Obama was poking fun at himself, not Leno
Obama made an ill-conceived joke. He apologized. The level of outrage is ridiculous. But blaming Leno is silly :)
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:41 AM
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14. You seriously don't get it?
The OP seems to be making a claim the Leno was mocking Special Olympics. Since Leno said "no, it's very good" before Obama has even mentioned Special Olympics, how on Earth could Leno have been mocking Special Olympics? Get a clue.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:47 AM
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20. it's not obvious that's how Obama took it
I think Obama was responding to the content of what Leno was saying (that 129 is very good, wink-wink-nudge-nudge), which is not the same as saying he thought Leno was doing a mock special-olympics-type response. And I don't think there is anything in Leno's demeanor to suggest that's what he was doing.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:28 AM
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2. Perhaps you are right
But I still think the whole exchange is rather low on the outrage meter.

I sure am glad that when I want to be self-deprecating about my abilities, I say "cue the golf-clap"...golf is much less of a PC mine-field.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:30 AM
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3. I got news for you. Leno is a comedian and not a president.
Edited on Fri Mar-20-09 09:33 AM by LisaL
See the difference?
And by the way, the OP is misleading. Leno has said "no, that's very good" before and after Obama has mentioned the Special Olympics. So in fact there is no way Leno was mocking Special Olympics.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:32 AM
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5. this is all so ridiculous and hypocritical. it makes me sick
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:40 AM
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11. It makes me sick that there are so many heartless people on DU who don't give a damn. nt
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:44 AM
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17. what makes me sick is your hysterical bullshit OP
I'm one of the few people here who actually says something when they see a comment disparaging those with mental disabilities. And there are people here who have weighed in on this who have participated in the Special Olympics who aren't taking high umbrage from this gaffe. Obama mispoke. He apologized. get the fuck over it and move on, dearie.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:47 AM
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19. Word.
Man ... why am I flashing on Sarah Palin dragging her Downs Syndrome infant out on stage like a PROP? The self-aggrandizing exploitation is fucking appalling.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:49 AM
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23. no kidding.
that was truly horrifying.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 10:03 AM
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34. Don't look now but your holier than thou bullshit is showing.
Edited on Fri Mar-20-09 10:03 AM by earth mom
:puke:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 10:05 AM
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35. You got a severe case of projection going on there? Sanctimonious much?
:eyes:
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 10:07 AM
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38. No that's your department. You're another one of the DU (think they) know it alls.
:eyes:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 10:14 AM
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39. You sound insane.
Seek help.

:shrug:
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 10:20 AM
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40. Funny, because I've long thought you are insane.
:crazy:
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 10:01 AM
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32. Don't tell me what the fuck to do! I'm sick of your endless OP's spouting your opinion as god.
I rarely post OPs and when I do it's because I have something to say that is important to me or that has been overlooked here on DU. I posted that OP because I was sick of reading thread after thread where people like you tried to dominate and control the discussion about Obama's hurtful comment. What he said was horrible and he knows it because now he is doing damage control! If it was nothing as you say, then why is he even apologizing in the first place?! So stop your bullshit and spin!

BTW-Do you think that people don't see how you work overtime to try and control opinion and thought here on DU?

Well-not if I can help it!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 12:54 PM
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45. lol. too many people tell you how full of shit your moronic OP is?

and tough, dear, if you don't like what I have to say.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 01:42 PM
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46. And YOU need to get over your special needs by proxy identity...
it is transparently obvious what you are pulling.
You do your child no favors with your self-serving nonsense.
I have seen it before.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:39 AM
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10. Quit trying to spin it. It's insulting.
:eyes:
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:42 AM
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15. Yes. It's pathetic.
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FudaFuda Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 10:30 AM
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42. We're outnumbered by the brainiacs.
we know what it means that those words came out of the President's mouth as a joke, but people who aren't personally affected just think of it as 'politically incorrect' at most. we're hurt, because we feel that prejudice and dismissal for our loved ones deeply and personally every day, while those around us perpetrate it without thinking or remorse.

we're not alone, but it's pretty obvious we're outnumbered. and for some disproportionately vocal people here on DU, no criticism of Pres Obama will ever be valid, so debate and discussion is futile.

I'm disappointed that the President made this joke. It has changed my opinion of him. I don't expect anyone to understand, but I know some do. Thanks to those who do.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:46 AM
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18. wtf? you are trying to hard.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:48 AM
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22. He's an entertainer, no one even cares that he has a name, let alone what he says.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:53 AM
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27. /yawn Oh, its just cali
Sorry, I thought I was about to reply to someone important for a sec. My bad.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 10:06 AM
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36. ROFLMAO! Good one!
:thumbsup:
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 10:58 PM
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48. cali's still upset
cause i called her out on her 'uncle tom' slurs against black supporters of Hillary during the primaries.

Some people just never get over their bitterness.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:53 AM
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26. Well good thing he actually didn't say "retards."
:eyes:
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WillieW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:57 AM
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30. Seriously, it was not offensive considering the exchange. But it was clever
that Obama was on Leno first and then Garth Brooks was clever. If anyone wanted to listen to Garth, they had to listen to Obama first. He may have convinced some selling his budget proposal.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 10:01 AM
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33. Leno was referring to Obama's 129 bowling score.
get real.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 10:23 AM
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41. Leno was referring to the score itself, not the Special Olympics comment.
Edited on Fri Mar-20-09 10:25 AM by Starbucks Anarchist
If you watch the clip, Leno says, "That's very good" twice after Obama mentions his 129 score, then Obama sneaks in the Special Olympics comment, and Leno says, "That's very good" again, but referring to the score itself.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 11:11 AM
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43. Leno was responding to the score being good and not addressing the Special Olympics.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 11:12 AM
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44. I know that
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D-Lee Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 02:30 PM
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47. They were talking about a 126 bowling score!
Wow ... talk about over-analyzing trivia.

I couldn't see that either Obama or Leno were criticizing anyone.

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