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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 05:20 PM
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"The best president America never had"
So said a councilor from Lancashire, England after hearing Howard Dean speak.

Here is the full article from the Boston Globe: http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2009/03/20/democrat_outside_looking_in/

Too bad speaking your mind is such a liability these days. I thought that with Obama, it would turn into a virtue.
Apparently some straight-talkers are more virtuous than others (apologies to Orwell).
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 05:24 PM
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1. dean is not a "new democrat" and he is too outspoken (ie not a butt kisser) nt
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 05:31 PM
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2. The Democratic Party owes Dr. Dean a greater thanks than it could ever deliver.
He's a hell of a man, and in an ideal world would have made a fantastic President.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 05:31 PM
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3. The Best President America Never had---Yet!
The Doctor is IN!
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 05:45 PM
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4. No argument -- but don't forget George McGovern.
--imm
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FarLeftRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 05:58 PM
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5. Too bad...
He wasn't right...
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 06:00 PM
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6. Actually, he was right. But some folks just don't get it.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 06:11 PM
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7. Dean is great. But I also think Gore counts among the best Presidents we never had.
And he was actually elected
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 07:01 PM
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11. Gore is in his own category
i.e. "Presidents who were elected but never allowed to serve."
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 06:13 PM
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8. I agree that he would have been a wonderful President!
The problem for him was getting elected.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 06:47 PM
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10. I don't agree
I love Howard Dean . . . and I think he's right on the money on a lot of things.

However, he would have spent so much time pulling knives out of his back -- from both sides of the aisle -- that he would have had no time to do anything else.

The CIA/Corporatocracy can destroy anyone they want -- if they can't destroy them politically, they simply kill them.

Even Nixon's downfall was a CIA/Corporate hit. Nixon was a prick, but he didn't do the things that brought him down. All that evidence was rigged.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 06:45 PM
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9. What was it about Rahm Emmanuel that made Obama turn his back on Howard Dean?
Is it only because they are from the same state or what Emmanuel did for Obama that some of us don't know about?

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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 07:20 PM
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12. It stems from the 2006 midterms
Howard wanted to instigate the 50 state strategy, and Rahm wanted to only concentrate on "sure" States
while abandoning the so-called red ones. Howard wanted to allocated resources to states we had "no" chance
because he figured that we would have a chance if we just tried. Howard was right, Emanuel was wrong, and
he has never forgiven Howard for it, probably never will (he is known for harboring a grudge).
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 07:26 PM
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13. Its very simple actually, apart from the tactical differences, Rahm is a Wall St.
and DC insider. Dean is the consummate outsider. The insiders in power will do anything to keep the outsiders on the outside.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 08:17 PM
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14. The dlc/newdem/3rdway/center-right
Democrat that the nation elected isn't going to "come together" with the center-left, or to the left.

That's been clear since before his nomination, to anyone who paid attention.
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