Homeless people use their money for alcohol and drugs. Face it.

[JanMichael]

so do we.

I get so damned mad when I hear the argument, "they will buy alcohol!"

Yeah.

So what.

What else are they supposed to use in this society to numb the pain?

I am positive that many DUers will write that they must be rehabilitated etc...

For what?

Those fabulous jobs out there? A house? A chance at what?

Give me a reason to think that it would be better if our "street folks" weren't inebriated.

[bullimiami]

1. they are just looking for a momentary distraction. understandable.

[JanMichael]

3. No they aren't

they are looking for the same feeling that the wealthy get from prescription drugs.

[lib2DaBone]

25. LOL.. BINGO... well said.....

[acmavm]

86. Good for you! That was a wonderful remark (as Van Morrison would say)!

[ret5hd]

2. K&R!!!

:toast:

[lunatica]

4. I totally agree with you! I've always felt that way

Who the fuck am I to be judgmental of what others do. I don't have to walk a mile in their shoes because I can imagine what their lives must be like. I give to older panhandlers. By older I mean white haired and in their sixties and seventies. A lot of the men are Vietnam veterans who suffer from PTSD and who got that way fighting for our government. Now they're abandoned completely. And here come the lifestyle passing judgment on them. And anyone who can pass on giving an old white haired woman a few dollars is pretty heartless.

[JanMichael]

6. Seriously, I am sick of this shit

"should we give to panhandlers?"

Fucking A, dude.... here's the answer:

If you want to.

Then don't goddamn question what they buy with it.

[Carni]

35. I totally agree

People who panhandle have their reasons and hardships and it's not my job to lecture them, or pass judgement.

I am one of those people who typically will give someone a buck or two if asked and IF I can do it.

If they were bad people they wouldn't be panhandling--they would be robbing me at gunpoint, or cheating me like all those *smart* folks on wallstreet have done to so many of us.

[marshall]

74. How about offering to give them a job?

If you are in a position to do so.

But don't preach at them if they decline.

[uppityperson]

5. Some do, some don't. Just like people with homes. eom

[skipos]

7. "Give me a reason"

"to think that it would be better if our 'street folks' weren't inebriated." Some of them are homeless because of substance abuse. I had such a person in my family, and they fortunately got help and were finally able to keep a job. I am glad that they weren't surrounded by people happy to see them inebriated.

[JanMichael]

10. awww how nice. Unfortunately the people in question

don't have families all the time.

And where did you read in ANY post in this thread that anyone was "happy" to see them inebriated?

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[Control-Z]

37. True. Some are homeless because of substance abuse,

but there are many who use substances to deal with being homeless, mentally fragile, and alone. I would guess that the majority of those (who have been on the street for a while) are the later.

I'm happy that your family member was lucky enough to get help, and is now back on a better path.

[bluestateguy]

8. If they spend the money on cigarettes it will help pay for SCHIP

Seriously.

[Dr Fate]

9. I give time & money to homeless charities instead of direct hand-outs.

I'm not sure what the point of your post is-but it could be read as a good argument not to give them any money directly.

So what?

Well, it slowly kills them, and unlike everyone else, they have no support system to fall back on and no healthcare access to balance it out.

[JanMichael]

14. Welcome to Biology 101:

you are slowly being killed. Sucks, eh? Bummer, you might live to be 100...but, that's about all you can count on.

However, good on you for donating.

[Dr Fate]

20. I dont just donate- I also put in 40 hours a week.

I work for a major charity that focuses on helping the homeless, among other things.

Not that it makes me some sort of expert- hardly.

Sure, we all die eventually, but there should be an element of dignity during life as well- and I'm not sure that living on the street while on drugs or drunk is where anyone really wants to be.

I've seen homeless children on the streets too- should we give drug/booze money to their parents, for instance? I mean, we are all going to die someday, right?

I'm not sure where we agree and where we disagree or exactly what you are advocating- I dont think it's a good idea to give money to a homeless person if you suspect they are going to use it for booze or drugs-I'd prefer to give them info on where they can get free food & shelter...

I dont see how it improves their situation- it's almost like you are saying they should just give up.

[CreekDog]

39. i don't think it's right to help those with substance and alcohol additions to get more

and i won't help them do that.

just like if a relative were an alcoholic i would not give them a drink, even if they would find a way to get one anyway.

[Oak2004]

62. And for that reason you prefer to deny direct help to those you "think" might be using?

I was homeless for about two years. And given that I don't drink or use drugs, I didn't drink or use drugs when I was homeless.

I was however, treated by many people as if I must be an alcoholic or a junkie, and "professionals" were happy to claim I was in denial.

It's not your business to judge what others do. Give or don't give, but don't use your class privilege to manipulate. Homeless people don't need patronizing crap from people who haven't a clue.

[CreekDog]

81. yes, because the people i passed each morning...

often smelled of alcohol and one who didn't i was pretty sure was not homeless.

the others who have asked me multiple times have told me stories about their car breaking down and needing to buy a BART ticket.

thus i give a decent amount to crisis charities each paycheck.

i think it's better that way.

i could give nothing you know.

[Systematic Chaos]

11. My mother was an alcoholic as well as a compulsive "bunch of other things".

Because of what I had to endure as a child I can't stand drunkenness in anybody and to this day I won't consume more than one or two drinks every so many months.

Sorry, but I can't advocate anybody going through life plastered. Not even those who are down and out.

As for the homeless, if they're honestly hungry, neither my wife nor I have a problem with inviting them into the closest eatery for their pick off the menu. If they refuse that then they're on their own.

[JanMichael]

18. So, as long as they do what you want them

to, you will help them.

Well, I am sure that some people have had some nice meals from you, and I would encourage you to keep that up. In the meantime, I would also encourage you not to use your personal past to judge others.

[L0oniX]

12. I don't care what they do with it ...we feed them every Saturday anyway.

[Mike 03]

13. I wish they could meet the mother of two who hangs out at my local gas station for food money.

One look at her and you know she is not involved in drugs or alcohol.

That excuse is just a great way of exonerating one's self from helping another human being.

What you are saying is true, and it was always Jonathan Kozol's best argument: These people suffer terribly and who cares what they do to stop the pain, or whether we pay for it or not.

[JanMichael]

16. Oh, but by the time this thread dies, you will read

many, many responses from people who feel pretty sanctimonious for not giving street people money because it's "obvious" they are buying "bad" stuff.

Sickening, isn't it. On a liberal website.

[RiverStone]

21. 11 years working on the front lines with many homeless folk...

And I can tell you that GIVING is progressive - I gave tons and so did many, many others. We agree on GIVING!

Where we disagree is I see far better things to give than money.

Of course, I worked in a war zone and can only go off of what I saw.

[Mike 03]

29. You wrote a great post and I agree so much.

Thank you.

[cabluedem]

61. I dont make issue on giving money to the homeless but wouldnt it be better for all of us to help....

give a hand up out of the streets for those who indicate that they want it? No one should have to live on the streets unless that's what they want to do. My .02cts for what its worth.

[Mike 03]

15. Rec, rec and rec... NT

[truedelphi]

22. Thank you for posting this.

I give money when I can to whomever looks needy. Or asks me for it.

As someone who had raging pain in my abdomen, and who maybe would have been driven to drink by it, I was "lucky" when a clinic worker suggested that maybe it was a mere stomach infection and maybe a round of anti-biotics would kill it. Otherwise I might still be suffering from this pain that all the experts said I was using as a reason to be allowed painkillers.

[EFerrari]

23. Some people always have an excuse not to help others. That's their tragedy. n/t

[Warpy]

24. Not only that, but untreated DTs are 50% fatal

If a homeless guy thinks he needs a bottle instead of a sandwich, he probably does.

My job is to spare what I can to make his life easier. His job is to figure out what he needs.

I'm not his judge.

[Wiley50]

33. Bless you, Warpy

and you too Jan Michael for this poignant thread

as someone who has been there, sometimes it takes a bottle in order to be well enough to keep the sandwich down,
or to even eat it in the first place.

I'm still very poor and have many serious health problems,
but I have my boat for a home, a little SSI income and medicaid.
I still drink some beer, though never get drunk anymore
and I have my DU family

Life has been worse, much worse

and, when it was, I still thank those who helped without judgement

[EFerrari]

34. Exactly.

:hug:

[Richard Steele]

58. Very well put, Warpy.

As usual. :thumbsup:

[wroberts189]

26. Homelessness = massive stress and trauma = need for sedatives.

Free universal single payer health care for all issues including mental health and they would not need to self medicate.

I wish people would have more empathy...or just common sense.. or just the idea it may be them someday as it very well may be.

Once your in that position there are many obstacles to getting out of it. There needs to be a real safety net and a serious ladder up.

They then become taxpayers.

This benefits everyone.



knr

[Naturyl]

27. Agreed.

Homeless people have as much right to buy alcohol and drugs as anyone does.

This country needs to stop looking down on the homeless and start treating them like real people.

[Dr Fate]

38. "Rights" are not the issue- need is the issue.

I'm just not convinced that certain homeless people *need* substances that drive them further away from living a some what normal life.

Maybe I'm reading some of these posts wrong, but it almost sounds like we are saying that we should all just give up and get fucked up.

I guess I'm just some sort of Rush Limbaugh type for saying this- but I'm thinking that one can treat a homeless person with dignity-ie like a real person- without providing drugs and alcohol.

[JanMichael]

43. Let's try this: how many professional people do you know

who are taking prescription meds for..."the old knee injury" or "stress" or "ADHD" or "depression?"

How many do you know who regularly drink wine or beer because ummmmm it's right for the fish, or goes well with that steak? Or because it's Wine Thirty?

Now. Tell me what "normal life" is in this country.

[EFerrari]

45. If you're "providing" anything, you're doing it wrong.

Either it's a gift or it's not.

You don't get to control someone else's life for your dollar. If you don't like it, don't give. It's not rocket science.

[canetoad]

75. Thank you

Giving with conditions is not really giving at all. Seems more like sitting up on a high horse and exerting a dubious kind of moral control.

[Naturyl]

59. I'm wouldn't call you a Limbaugh type.

Whatever you can do to help is fine. Personally, I've given cash and seen the guy 30 minutes later with a brown paper bag. It didn't bother me. I figure that given the conditions and realities of his life, the brown paper bag is doing him more good than a sandwich would. At least, that's the way he obviously saw it, and who am I to say otherwise?

[G_j]

73. would you want someone judging what you need, or don't need?

I hope not..

[On the Road]

28. I've Gone Both Ways on It

I've given money at some times and not at others.

I was one day away from panhandling myself when I was 24, so I know it's not always just the alcoloholics and addicts.

But that is a good percentage of them by any account. Being able to survive on handouts may be perpetuating an unecessarily self-destructive life. But it might be tiding them over until better fortune comes along. It's impossible to know.

The early Christians were conflicted, too. Jesus said: "Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you. But the Didache says: "Let your money sweat in your palm until you know to whom you give it."

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[JanMichael]

40. I don't use crack. Read the post

and if you need help to comprehend what I wrote, let me know. I am here for you.

[Quantess]

70. Was that Lost in CT's deleted post by any chance?

He has been tombstoned today.
:D

[Mike 03]

31. To add to the irony, I distinctly recall, the day I met this poor woman who needed money for food

for herself and her children, at the local corner store, I was buying, among other items, a twelve pack of beer. And a bag of chips, which was probably even more dangerous than the beer.

[ogneopasno]

32. "For what"?

Jesus. H. Christ.

[JanMichael]

41. Trying to understand what you mean

by "Jesus H. Christ."

Could you possibly write a line or two?

[ogneopasno]

56. Your cynicism is what made me write that.

[whathehell]

36. My feeling is: I don't know what they do with the money but

I'd rather err on the side of compassion than on the side of mean spiritedness.

[ismnotwasm]

42. Over here

We have a successful house for homeless drunks. Sobriety not required, lack of violence is. I've sent a few that way. I'm sure it will go on the chopping block of budget cuts I'm very sad to say.

I'm solidly in the so what camp myself. I care for people with alcohol related diseases among other things, so I'm far from blind to the physical risks or the societal costs. Not every homeless person is able to function on a level enabling them to take a shower and show up on a job interview on any given day. The ones that can, do.

[EFerrari]

47. . . .

:loveya:

[rzemanfl]

44. They should buy drapes, or a flat screen TV. eom

[K8-EEE]

46. Funny joke on the subject

there's an old Vegas joke on this one, I heard from my pal old-school stand up comic Tony Russell:

I walked out of the bar the other night at 2 a.m. and a guy asks me if I can spare five dollars.

I told him, how do I KNOW that you won't just go blow it all on SOUP?

LOL...

[merh]

48. Hell, after Katrina, folks used their fema money for alcohol

docs upped the prescriptions for anti-depressants and sleep meds - free clinics gave out scripts to help cope and assured folks a few glasses of wine couldn't hurt.

What do folks with houses and jobs do to ease the pain, to dull the aches, to make them forget if just for a few moments or hours or days?

[notesdev]

49. We could clean a couple of them up

make one Treasury Secretary, the other Chairman of the Federal Reserve, and they couldn't do worse than the two morons they'd replace!

[Qutzupalotl]

50. Suggestion for those who don't want to give money for whatever reason:

Food is always appreciated. Get 'em a sammich!

I was walking back from a Chinese take-out when two guys asked for some change. I'd just spent all I had, but they were delighted to get a hot egg roll. That still left one for me and the Mrs.

[Control-Z]

51. I agree with you 100%

No one chooses the street as an ideal way of life. People end up there for many reasons - none of them kind, fortunate, or happy.

[Iggo]

52. Only people with homes should drink.

People without homes should be denied alcohol.

(Am I gonna hafta do it? Don't make me do it...)



















(Oh, okay. I'll do it.
:sarcasm:
There! Are you happy now?)

[EFerrari]

53. If you hand me a dollar, you should get a first mortgage on my every decision.

How else will you sleep at night?

[Iggo]

54. Exactly.

If I got a few bucks and someone looks like they need a few bucks I'll give 'em a few bucks.

I don't think it needs to be more complicated than that.

[OnionPatch]

55. I never minded if they did.

For the same reasons you list. If their life is so screwed up, who am I to judge how they get through each day? I'd rather see my five bucks go to a homeless alcoholic who will sit under a tree and be happy for a few hours than the wars and soul-less banks my tax money is going to.

[AngryOldDem]

57. You want a reason?

They can be a danger to themselves and to others. It's slow suicide, for another reason.

I know from experience.

[Occam Bandage]

60. This is the first post I have ever seen

that actually advocates chemical dependency for the homeless.

[Naturyl]

63. You must be seeing things, then.

This post doesn't do that.

Instead, it advocates non-judgementalism.

[CreekDog]

83. it goes beyond that

multiple posts here say that if someone says they will buy alcohol with the money they will give it anyway.

you are responsible for what you participate in.

if that person dies an alcohol related the person who knowingly gave them money for that drink is partly responsible for that person's death.

[G_j]

78. strange filter

you're using

[daleo]

64. More money will be spent on booze and drugs by Wall Street bailout types

Than a million homeless could manage in a decade.

[bigpenguin]

65. ha

my dad (bless his soul) used to use a simple theory.

"If you're honest, I'll probably give you something."

A guy came up to us one day - near the college we worked at. He said - "Hey, can you spare anything?"

My dad asked "What do you need it for?"

The guy said "Me and the fellas are trying to get enough together for a bottle." He pointed under the bridge and there were two other guys there who waved back.

My dad went into his wallet and gave him a $20 bill. The man was amazed, thanked him, and headed back. I asked my dad - "why did you give him that?" And my dad responded "Because, that's what he needed it for. He didn't bullshit me. If they want a bottle, they should get it. Or two."

There's a life lesson for you.

[Naturyl]

71. That's awesome.

I like your dad already.

[rebecca_herman]

66. if they have money their choice

And I have the right to decide what to donate and under what circumstances. When I am financially able to donate, I donate food to local food pantries/soup kitchens, or give money to an organization that will use it towards food/shelter/education.

[AngryOldDem]

84. That is exactly the right approach.

Some of the comments here strike me as saying, "If someone wants to play Russian roulette, I'll happily give them the gun and even the bullets. Hell, I'll even load all the chambers for them. After all, it's not **my** issue with what they do with it."

Not compassionate. Not helpful. Not socially responsible. Not an attitude that enhances basic human worth and dignity.

For years I have seen malignant alcoholism (for want of a better term) in my work as a homeless shelter guest attendant. We have people who show up and literally collapse at our door, so out of it from booze that they deficate and urinate on themselves, cry, and fall flat on their faces, wherever they happen to be standing. They pick fights with other guests, and more often than not, wind up getting hurt themselves. (Also, combine booze with mental illness for a REAL lovely combo.) They threaten staff and others -- which can lead to severe consequences in terms of their shelter with us -- but later -- like most alcoholics -- they have no recall of what it was they did that led to their being exited from our place. And when we describe what happened, they are remorseful, embarrassed, and chagrined.

There is no "drunk tank" in our county because the sheriff doesn't want to deal with one. So cops from all over -- including those from other counties -- drop off inebriants at our door at all times of the day and night. People who have been found in the doorways of businesses, in bus stations, wandering out into traffic, or causing other disturbances.

Health issues abound. Right now, we are watching a longterm, hardcore alcoholic man slowly die from liver disease. He comes in sporadically; more often he prefers to stay in the nearby woods and drink.

Perhaps the scariest incident I personally have been involved in with a habitually intoxicated guest came this past winter when a woman stumbled up to our door. She wasn't new. She never made any bones about getting her booze, and getting it however she could. It was literally what she lived for. That night, while I sat her up in our lobby before I went to get her bedding and a meal for the night, her eyes rolled back in her head, she slumped over, and began to foam at the mouth. She was bigger than me, so I struggled to get her off her back and onto her side so she wouldn't choke on her own vomit, while yelling for someone -- anyone -- to call the paramedics. I held her on her side until they got to the shelter, and as they loaded her on to the stretcher, she was barely breathing.

I've not seen her back at the shelter since that night. I have no idea if she is alive or dead. (Usually when someone dies we hear about it a few months later, through word of mouth, unless the person has family around.)

I cannot be a part of the problem, and I can't put up any guise of "plausible deniability" about what is done with my spare change, either. Chronic alcoholism is perhaps responsible for more deaths among the homeless population than any other cause. There's nothing I can do to stop them from getting that pint or 40-ouncer. All I can do is make sure they have a safe place to stay and offer them the chance at getting help, if they want it.

I can relate more experiences like the above, but I doubt it will change the minds of those who think it's OK to fuel someone's most-likely fatal addiction -- no matter how it's rationalized. If you want to help, give money to the cash-strapped food pantries and shelters. most of which are now operating in severe financial deficit.

[NaturalHigh]

67. If I were living on the street...

being harassed by police and "decent" citizens, with basically no hope of things ever getting better no matter how hard I tried or how sober I stayed, I'm pretty sure I would want a drink or a hit too. It might be a way to numb the pain when some jackass over-privileged teenagers decided to gang up and assault me or shout "get a job" out the window of their parents SUV.

"They'll just use it to buy drugs" is just an excuse to avoid helping in some small way. I'm personally all in favor of work programs with funds for temporary shelter, but until we get that, giving someone a few bucks or donating to organizations that help the homeless is at least something we can do.

[CreekDog]

82. i never allowed the substance abuse to be an excuse not to give

instead i started contributing to homeless charities at work and at a higher rate than i would have spent giving a dollar here and there on my walk.

the LAST thing i wanted to allow myself to do was to profit from not giving to panhandlers.

[No.23]

68. *admits a shortcoming of his*

I have to admit something.

I'm not so sure if it's charity when I conditionalize my giving.

In other words, "I'll give you some funds if I can feel confident that you'll spend it in a manner that I think you should."

It sounds contractual than charitable.

I'm just not so sure if conditionalizing my giving... qualifies it as an act of charity.

[Qutzupalotl]

80. Good post!

:thumbsup:

I guess by conditionalizing, we are not really letting go... and so in a sense not giving. But really, we are giving, we're just not looking at it properly; we have to realize it's no longer our money.

I've struggled with a similar question, but from the perspective of karma. If I give a guy money, and he stays in a destructive habit, or O.D.s, have I helped him destroy himself? Gradually it dawned on me that what he does is his karma, not mine. Or as Shakespeare put it, each man's soul's his own. I doubt I would share in any bad karma he might bring on himself, so it's not my problem what he does. Plus I realized I had been buying into a lot of RW propaganda that you can harm people by helping them; now I reject that.

I do know that you can help yourself by giving away stuff. Charity is a noble ideal; it makes you happy and them happier, so why not? Up to a point, which is until just before it hurts, disasters excepted.

[XemaSab]

69. I sure don't want someone picking over MY expenditures

n/t

[dysfunctional press]

72. if they can take other people's money and use it for alcohol- why can't aig give bonuses w/theirs..?

:shrug:

btw- instead of always being inebriated, maybe the "street folks" could learn some nice song and dance numbers like the flower peddlers in 'my fair lady', or like those prisoners in the philipines...

now THAT would make for a better world for us all.

but they won't- because they don't care.

they just want to be 'inebriated'.

selfish bastards.

[NaturalHigh]

87. "They just want to be inebriated."

I can sympathize with that point of view.

[Gemini Cat]

76. Well said and I agree.

I don't give a rat's ass what someone does with the money once I have given it to them. It's none of my business.
I can't stand sanctimonious assholes who judge homeless people!

[bridgit]

77. Lazyboy - Underwear Goes Inside The Pants

Lazyboy - Underwear Goes Inside The Pants
Why is marijuana not legal? Why is marijuana not legal?
It's a natural plant that grows in the dirt.
Do you know what's not natural?
80 year old dudes with hard-ons. That's not natural.
But we got pills for that.
We're dedicating all our medical resources to keeping the old guys erect,
but we're putting people in jail for something that grows in the dirt?

You know we have more prescription drugs now.
Every commercial that comes on TV is a prescription drug ad.
I can't watch TV for four minutes without thinking I have five serious diseases.
Like: "Do you ever wake up tired in the morning?"
Oh my god I have this, write this down. Whatever it is, I have it.
Half the time I don't even know what the commercial is:
people running in fields or flying kites or swimming in the ocean.
I'm like that is the greatest disease ever. How do you get that?
That disease comes with a hot chick and a puppy.

The schools now: It is all about self-esteem in the schools now.
Build the kids' self-esteem, make them feel good about themselves.
If everybody grows up with high self-esteem, who is going to dance in our strip clubs?
What's going to happen to our porno industry?
These women don't just grown on trees.
It takes lots of drunk dads missing dance recitals before you decide to blow a goat on the internet for fifty bucks.
And if that disappears, where does that leave me on a Friday night with my new high speed connection?

Masterminds are another word that comes up all the time.
You keep hearing about these terrorists masterminds that get killed in the middle east.
Terrorists masterminds.
Mastermind is sort of a lofty way to describe what these guys do, don't you think?
They're not masterminds.
"OK, you take bomb, right? And you put in your backpack. And you get on bus and you blow yourself up. Alright?"
"Why do I have to blow myself up? Why can't I just:"
"Who's the fucking mastermind here? Me or you?"

Americans, let's face it: We've been a spoiled country for a long time.
Do you know what the number one health risk in America is?
Obesity. They say we're in the middle of an obesity epidemic.
An epidemic like it is polio. Like we'll be telling our grand kids about it one day.
The Great Obesity Epidemic of 2004.
"How'd you get through it grandpa?"
"Oh, it was horrible Johnny, there was cheesecake and pork chops everywhere."

Nobody knows why were getting fatter? Look at our lifestyle.
I'll sit at a drive thru.
I'll sit there behind fifteen other cars instead of getting up to make the eight foot walk to the totally empty counter.
Everything is mega meal, super sized. Want biggie fries, super sized, want to go large.
You want to have thirty burgers for a nickel you fat mother fucker. There's room in the back. Take it!
Want a 55 gallon drum of Coke with that? It's only three more cents.

Sometimes you have to suffer a little bit in your youth to motivate yourself to succeed in later life.
Do you think if Bill Gates got laid in high school, do you think there'd be a Microsoft?
Of course not.
You got to spend a long time in your own locker with your underwear shoved up your ass before you start to think,
"You'll see. I'm going to take of the world of computers! I'll show them."

We're in one of the richest countries in the world,
but the minimum wage is lower than it was thirty five years ago.
There are homeless people everywhere.
This homeless guy asked me for money the other day.
I was about to give it to him and then I thought he was going to use it on drugs or alcohol.
And then I thought, that's what I'm going to use it on.
Why am I judging this poor bastard.
People love to judge homeless guys. Like if you give them money they're just going to waste it.
Well, he lives in a box, what do you want him to do? Save it up and buy a wall unit?
Take a little run to the store for a throw rug and a CD rack? He's homeless.
I walked behind this guy the other day.
A homeless guy asked him for money.
He looks right at the homeless guy and says why don't you go get a job you bum.
People always say that to homeless guys like it is so easy.
This homeless guy was wearing his underwear outside his pants.
Outside his pants. I'm guessing his resume isn't all up to date.
I'm predicting some problems during the interview process.
I'm pretty sure even McDonalds has a "underwear goes inside the pants" policy.
Not that they enforce it really strictly, but technically I'm sure it is on the books.

[AlCzervik]

79. i give homeless money, maybe a few times a week as i see more of them now

in my hometown, before it was just in Sacramento but it's here too, anyhow i don't ask them what it's for, it's not a loan it's a little something i can do, i also dial for donation for the food bank here a few times a month.

[rocktivity]

85. I'm sure they'd spend it on their homes

if they HAD homes.

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rocktivity