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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 07:28 PM
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Fear of a Red Planet? (China)
It's hard to tell which is growing faster: the strength of the Chinese economy and culture (shown to glorious display during the Beijing Olympics last year) or the fear of that strength coming out of Western countries.

I (currently) live in Australia and this past weekend, the amount of coverage and breathlessness over China and some of its "shadowy citizens" could only be construed as having reached a feverish pitch.

Most of it stems from a story about a businesswoman, Helen Liu, who has both Chinese and Australian citizenship as well as a very close relationship with the Aussie Defense Minister, who has apparently (and in secret) taken trips to China to visit this woman. As a result, his own Defense cabinet spied on him which lead to the revelations that he had secretly visited this woman in China, and which have embarrassed him and Prime Minister Kevin Rudd tremendously.

But wait, there's more. Apparently this same woman also has ties to Rudd and former Prime Minister John Howard. Around this time, Australia approved of a Chinese buyout of one of its largest mining companies amidst outcry here in Australia that the Chinese were "taking over Australia." . A similar Chinese bid to take over OzMetals was rejected this month because of "security concerns" but that bid is being reconfigured. I have no doubt that the Chinese will keep working on it until they are able to procure this company.

As all of this was happening, Li Changchun, propaganda chief of the Chinese Communist Party and the fifth-most powerful man in the country was having a (also secret) meeting with Prime Minister Rudd and the chief of the Australian Broadcast Corporation to protest Australia's reporting on Chinese events. Even Voice of America has gotten into the act, with a story about the Australian government denying it's getting "too close to China."

Around the world, the US is alarmed at a $10 billion currency swap between China and Argentina in an attempt to persuade nations to adopt the yuan and drop the dollar in trades with China; the EU is nervous about China's unabashed "superpower ambitions" including "signs that developing countries see the G20 summit as a chance to impose a new world order and end the era of Anglo-European dominance." ; and Fidel Castro is giggling like mad over China's ascension, calling the country a a "bitter drink" to the West.

Western countries, which have been at at top of the pyramid for centuries, appear nervous, anxious and even a bit confused over the growing threat coming out of the East. I can't help but wonder if this was Scandanavia or Iceland, would there be this much "concern," but throughout history every country faced with the threat of being toppled off the top of the totem pole has reacted in a similar fashion.

The Beijing Olympics may have been China's official debutante/coming out party. These folks are NOT playing...
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 07:35 PM
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1. And I haven't even touched on US debt to China
valued anywhere from $500 billion to $1 trillion.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 07:35 PM
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2. If we default on debt to China, aren't they screwed?
I don't know a lot about economics. What exactly would keep us from bankrupting China? Isn't this sort of a "shotgun clause"? If we stop paying China and stop buying crap and poison food and drywall from China, don't they go back to working in the fields?
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 07:39 PM
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3. If you default on a loan you have, who's screwed more?
You or the company you took the loan with?

China is EVERYWHERE. As I put in my OP, they are all over Australia. Vanity Fair did an excellent series of articles last year reporting on the tremendous amounts of business the Chinese are doing in Africa as well. And we are all aware of their presence in North America.

The US defaulting on loans to China would seem to hurt us a hell of alot more than it's going to hurt China.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 07:50 PM
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5. If you default on a debt,
who else is going to willing to lend to you?
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 08:10 PM
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6. Exactly.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 09:11 PM
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8. Perhaps we should ask Brazil?
Didn't they default on their national debt?


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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 07:40 PM
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4. The US better get used to being second.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 08:11 PM
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7. Second? Maybe even 4th or 5th...
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 09:18 PM
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9. Oh Noes, Mars Attacks!! nt
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