The Seal Hunt SLAUGHTER in Canada is underway

[Mari333]

sign the petition to stop it.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/877541637?z00m=19752613&s_kwcid=seal%20hunt|2786725650








http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/video/2009/mar/26/canada-seal-hunt

[blaze]

1. Crap. n/t

[nytemare]

2. I've been boycotting Red Lobster for about 4 years now.

Since I researched and saw they use Canadian seafood.

[bluecollarcharlie]

48. Yeah, like they really care.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

49. What's your point?

What are you doing about it?

[Jakes Progress]

60. snarking though his fish and chips

[Tony238]

3. Devil's advocate here

While brutal looking I do not find the idea of this hunt reprehensible. It is just people harvesting a natural resource, that replenishes itself every year, and provides an environmentally friendly and biodegradable form of clothing. I know it is easy to see pictures of cute baby seals with those big eyes and have the knee jerk reaction that the hunt should be stopped. The reality is that these people depend on this hunt for money, and use of natural resources should be encouraged over our current system of oil based materials.

[flvegan]

5. It's like a propaganda flier drop, that.

[Tony238]

7. propaganda

Propaganda is an appeal to emotion over intellect. Everything in my statement is true. It does not rely on pictures of cute animals or brutal images of bloodied snow. Thus my post was not propaganda.

[flvegan]

10. No, it's propaganda.

Considering you really don't know what you're talking about. It's not about the pelts. The seal hunt is a subsidized commodity hunt. The pelts don't carry enough value. The real reason behind the hunt is eliminating competition due to Canadian overfishing in that area. 300,000 less animals competing for fishermen take is why they do it.

Harvesting a natural resources, considering the process. What a shit inhumane fucking thing to say.

Don't bother wasting your 4th whole post on me.

[Tony238]

17. Thanks for the welcome

What is it with DU and demeaning people on their number of posts. Is it so bad to just discover a community. Moving on, the average price of a pelt according to this site http://www.harpseals.org/about_the_hunt/pelts.html is 20 dollars, far from worthless. Also, if the real purpose of the hunt was to decrease competition for fish between seals and fishermen, why organize a hunt. I imagine there are easier ways to kill seals than to hunt them for a few weeks a year with strict quotas.

[flvegan]

23. Why organize a hunt? Public scrutiny.

Even with the bullshit "need the pelt money" angle, they are just about out of business because of the outcry over the cruelty. If they simply told the truth and said, "yeah, skin them alive to eliminate competition" the reaction would be epic. Besides, they get that small stipend for the pelt they ripped from a still-breathing body.

Apologist.

[Maru Kitteh]

106. It's not even a "hunt" How hard is it to "hunt" a defenseless baby?

I hate those fuckers.

[Crunchy Frog]

70. How much does a coat from that pelt go for? I'd bet it's a bit more than $20.00.

I wonder how much someone could get for your pelt? A shame to waste that natural resource. :shrug:

[hendo]

79. due to the social stigma of wearing human flesh

not much at all. Your's might be worth something if you want to volunteer though.

[Maru Kitteh]

107. You first.

[hendo]

115. not when we have someone else bringing up the possibiltiy first

seriously, wtf. don't you have better things to do than follow me around and insult me?

[MajorChode]

30. Yes, that's exactly what it is

Considering you really don't know what you're talking about. The propaganda comes straight from Greenpeace and other propaganda (AKA bullshit) mongers, and is not even within a cab ride of being accurate. Greenpeace claims the reason for the hunt is to increase the Cod population, but this is complete bullshit. Seals may eat Cod, but they also eat other fish that also eat Cod, so it all works out about even.

Seal hunting hasn't been subsidized in almost a decade and even when it was subsidized it was only to develop markets like blubber to take full use of the animal. Seal hunting was going just fine before it was ever subsidized.

There is so much bullshit that floats around regarding hunting of all types it really has reached the point of being quite pathetic. Lots of animals are hunted as part of a comprehensive resource management programs. There are over 3 times the number of Harp Seals in Canada as there were 40 years ago when Greenpeace started claiming it was endangering the Harp Seal population. Does anyone who truly knows what they are "talking about" really listen to Greenpeace anymore? "shit inhumane"? I guess allowing animals to die of starvation and disease is much more preferable, eh?

[flvegan]

32. Actual experts would disagree with you.

Big surprise. And I don't mean that joke of an org Greenpeace.

As for your decade theory, why don't you check around 5 years ago.

Oh, and they'd not starve...if the area wasn't overfished to begin with.

YOU don't know what you're talking about. The shock of it all.

[MajorChode]

39. So where are these "actual experts"?

And no, you don't count. Of that I'm quite sure.

And I don't mean that joke of an org Greenpeace.

No more so than any of the others. Greenpeace just happened to be first and others jumped on the bullshit bandwagon. Naturally there are plenty of other loony tunes to pick from.

As for your decade theory, why don't you check around 5 years ago.

Because the meat subsidy ended in 2000. It's all about knowing what you're talking about BEFORE you start typing. You should try it sometime.

Oh, and they'd not starve...if the area wasn't overfished to begin with.

Very little of the seal's diet comes from Cod in the first place. And yes, when species overpopulate they do starve and disease is much more prevalent. Who would have thunk it?

YOU don't know what you're talking about. The shock of it all.

Says the guy that's spewing BS that's been debunked over, and over, and over, and over again.

[flvegan]

41. So Canada didn't a few years ago subsidize marketing seal products?

Oh wait, yeah they did.

As for killing them for cod, I'll tell you this one time. My information on this comes from the ice floes. Enjoy your Google. Sealers have admitted that this is the reason. You know what they call them up there? Cockroaches.

Just because you can't Google it, doesn't make it so.

On edit, removed obscenity. Poster isn't worth it.

[MajorChode]

45. So which version of your BS are you going to go with?

First you claim the hunt is still subsidized, now you say "a few years ago". I realize it's kinda hard to keep your shit straight when someone actually fact checks you, but do try to do better.

As for killing them for cod, I'll tell you this one time. My information on this comes from the ice floes. Enjoy your Google. Sealers have admitted that this is the reason. You know what they call them up there? Cockroaches.

I'm pretty sure the "reason" sealers hunt seals is for money. I could really give two shits what anyone calls them, but then I don't put a lot of stock in purely emotional arguments. YMMV. Seals derive very little of their diet from Cod. This is a fact. Seals also eat Cod predators like squid. This is also a fact. My google works just fine. Yours obviously only goes to bullshit sites that are highly biased, or perhaps that's just the only ones you care to go to, no?

Fuck you

Your debating skills are truly brilliant!

[flvegan]

46. You mentioned a decade.

So...who's wrong, friendo? And how is Canada dealing with the EU's pending ban? Spending time, money etc? Sounds like a subsidy for the industry. The Canadian Coast Guard and $4million spent last year. And then there's Norway, but that's another story.

Like I said, because you can't Google it from the comfort of your home doesn't make it so. The fishermen/sealers believe that the seals are competition and gladly kill them because of it. "Extermination" is their word.

I don't need Google. I'm inside and vested. You have nothing but "" and a website. It's a good feeling.

In a couple years, when it all comes out, I'll accept your apology.

[MajorChode]

56. You mentioned right now, and have yet to back up anything

And I said exactly "almost a decade"? I also provided dates and facts, which are completely absent on your side even though it was YOUR assertion. Can't research OR comprehend to save your ass, I see. And here we are several posts later and still no "actual experts" have been presented, other than your alleged "inside" information. Keep it up and there won't be a dry eye in the house.

Life is a bitch when you are cold hard busted on your BS, no?

And the Coast Guard rescuing someone that's in trouble is a subsidy? You've come up with some off the wall shit in your time, but that one is nothing less than magnificent! Too bad I can read the exact same nonsense on Greenpeace and every other loony website. So much for being "inside and vested", eh?

I really got a chuckle about "when it all comes out". This nonsense has been going on for probably before you were born. The seals are still being hunted and people like you are still trying to make your case on pure unadulterated bullshit which is why you have always failed and will continue to fail. Once you are busted, people stop listening, and that happened a long time ago. The only thing that's going to "come out" is your head out of your ass, but I'm not too optimistic about that one.

My work here is done. Have a nice day.

[hendo]

36. but, but we can't kill the cute animals!

:sarcasm:

I always wonder why more people don't protest the use of mice or rats in experiments.

[MajorChode]

40. Oh they do

It's just that the number of them diminishes rapidly when the animal is not "cute". So naturally some animals have more rights than others. It just depends on how "cuddly" they appear.

[Kajsa]

117. What a crock of BS!

You really don't know much about the
animal rights movement you detest and
ridicule so much,

and you just proved it.

[Cetacea]

51. They do. And killing :"cute little animals" is pathological.

Children do not have a natural born tendency to club mammals to death. It's something that is taught and conditioned into people. You have to be numb to not be disturbed by this sort of thing. And I don't mean to personally insult you.

[MajorChode]

57. Have you ever actually hunted anything?

What you're mentioning is actually part of the ignorance that infests those who are against the seal hunt.

The "club" used is actually more of a specialized hammer with a ram on the end that dispatches the animals immediately. Shooting them or any other method short of reading them their last rites and giving them a lethal injection would actually be far LESS humane, and even animal advocacy groups have said so. Dispatching animals from a distance would insure more suffering, guaranteed.
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/story.html?id=450404

The actual dispatching of seals is not physically much different than the way livestock are dispatched. How do you think slaughter houses kill cows or pigs?

What is actually disturbing are people who are pushing a ban against the hakapik.

[underseasurveyor]

64. Talk about slaughter houses

I tell ya there's nothing like sitting in a bar in the mid-west listening to those good ol boys and yes some women too talking about skinning some poor cow, horse or hog alive and then laugh about how long it took the poor thing to die. Add to that, how these folks imitate the screams, squeals and grunts of the dying animals and then laugh their asses off... And I can't tell what a joy it is to hear the numerous stories about, just how loud can a pig squeal when it's drop alive in scalding hot water.

Yea it's SO humane.
It's sick!

I worked in the dairy industry and in a creamery for years, maybe some day you'd be interested in knowing about what's REALLY in your milk or better yet I could tell you in great detail what a cow udder looks like when it explodes from infection. Yummy.

[hendo]

80. thats why good dairy farmers use bag balm. NT

[underseasurveyor]

84. Bag Balm is for soothing and healing dry, cracked, irritated skin

It does not prevent or cure mastitisis infections inside the bag.

[hendo]

104. I was under the impression that an antibacterial ointment to heal cracked skin

would prevent the introduction of Staphylococcus aureus into the mammary tissue.

edit: besides, what on earth were you doing milking a cow with mastitisis infections and sending the infected milk off to tanks with the rest of the milk. Isn't that a health code violation?

[Maru Kitteh]

108. They fill the poor cows with so many hormones their bags hang into their own feces

because they're kept in inhumane, unnatural disgusting fucking conditions and THAT'S why their mammaries become infected.

Google a little harder next time, sport.

[hendo]

114. Not at the dairy farms that I have been to, they dont. NT

[hendo]

116. perhaps you were thinking of PETA propoganda? NT

[underseasurveyor]

132. You assume to much

Silly you.

When you're a peon in a large industry do you really think that real concerns are taken seriously or do you suppose the bottom line is?

But to answer your question, I refused to milk sick cows on the line. Doesn't mean everyone does.

[MajorChode]

87. I was raised on and around farms

You're not going to tell me anything I haven't seen, unless it's BS which is exactly what you're relating. Commercial slaughterhouses put the livestock in a stall and dispatch it immediately. There is no suffering. And where I'm from anyone bragging in a bar about the things you mentioned would get his ass kicked in short order.

[Kajsa]

126. Same response here,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5374264&mesg_id=5390272

[Kajsa]

119. Read reply #8

n/t

[Canuckistanian]

8. I have to disagree - and I'm Canadian

As much as I realize that the seal hunt is a traditional Newfoundland tradition and a major source of income for many Newfoundlanders, I hate the hunt.

Because it's NOT providing food or sustenance for the sealer, but rather a lucrative harvest for the fashion industry.

It IS NOT a viable renewable resource and the sealers are taking more than can be replaced.

This is strictly a "vanity hunt", a means of killing something for profit only.

And it's not like they're providing a valid source of clothing. Most of us can't afford the outrageous prices they charge for sealskin garments.

The sealers need to find something else for wintertime income.

[dysfunctional press]

11. "The sealers need to find something else for wintertime income..."

maybe they could caulk boats that are in dry-dock...?
at least that way they could keep their same job-title. :shrug:

[Roadless]

77. Calling it a "job" doesn't excuse unethical behaviour

Another easy one.

[hendo]

81. that's a pretty loose definition of ethics. NT

[Tony238]

16. I am also Canadian

The hunt may not directly provide the sustenance for the hunters, but the money they make from the hunt helps to feed them and their families. The regions these people hail form are not exactly rich in jobs. Very few people would willingly go and beat an animal to death for money, unless they really needed. Some how I doubt all of the psychopaths congregated in this one area just so they could kill seals for the joy of it.

[Canuckistanian]

18. Oh, I know

It's a very contentious issue, even here in Canada. And I can see both sides.

But those are my personal opinions.

[Jakes Progress]

63. So anything you do for money makes it okay.

I bet the drub dealers and white slavers will be glad to hear that. Along with the strip miners and clear cutters.

[Kajsa]

118. Thank you, Canuckistanian!

You are a voice of reason and live in Canada,
where this is taking place!

You are 100% correct, this is all about fashion
and fur.

Thanks so much for your input, it is very needed
with the proliferation of ignorance shown in this
thread!

:) :hi:

[Jakes Progress]

62. Your client, the devil,

has his check in the mail.

[Roadless]

71. an evolved species dispatches it's prey with mercy and quickness

This does not fit that definition.

This is the act of barbarians.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

95. Environmentally friendly and biodegradable form of clothing?

How about some fucking cotton, hemp, bamboo, etc?

[Maru Kitteh]

105. People once depended on child labor, on the slave trade, on the patent medicine industry

What an incredibly weak fucking argument.

The "hunt" (how fuckin hard is it to club a defenseless baby?) IS reprehensible.

Thanks for stopping by. I hope never to see you again.

[flvegan]

4. Got to eliminate fish competition so that we can eat it.

Something for folks to think about.

Thankfully, for the last couple days mother nature has provided enough ice to keep these hakapik swinging douchebags from getting to them.

Shame The Farley Mowat is otherwise detained.

Hopefully, the EU's pending vote will make this the very last year these fuckwads do this.

[InvisibleTouch]

29. I wish the EU would hurry up with that ban. n/t

[MrSlayer]

6. You have to be one cold hearted son of a bitch to participate in this.

Disgusting.

[dysfunctional press]

9. what about the guys in the veal industry...?

are they somehow more warm-hearted?

[flvegan]

12. No, they're douchebags year-round.

[hendo]

13. veal tastes good

and that is not a veal cow, it's out of it's crate.

[dysfunctional press]

19. i love a good veal chop...

i always try to ask for the biggest chop from the calf with the smallest pen.

[flvegan]

24. Well well well

look what the cat dragged in.

[hendo]

33. the one in the smallest pen is always the most tender

I prefer my veal in veal parmesan or veal marsalla though.

If seal tastes as good as veal, I am so there.

[Roadless]

72. They say veal lowers your IQ......

nt

[hendo]

78. Only those with a low IQ would say that, much less believe it. NT

[MrSlayer]

15. Yes.

The veal isn't cute.

[dysfunctional press]

21. bad comparison...how about the guys who harvest-

spring lamb:



Spring Lamb with Honey & Thyme Baby Vegetables

Submitted by St. Francis Winery Chef, Todd Muir

Salt, Pepper and Dijon! Add zip and zest to spring with this Lamb delight. Chioggia beets and turnips turn into a heavenly wonder when paired with thyme and honey. Enjoy Chef Todd Muir’s specialties when you visit St. Francis Winery.

With daily wine and food pairings along with specialty wines only available at St. Francis, you'll be able to taste Sonoma by the sip (and by the bite).

Wine Pairing Suggestion: 2002 St. Francis Merlot, Sonoma County
INGREDIENTS

2 racks of spring lamb, French cut
2 tablespoons olive oil
4 tablespoons Dijon mustard
1 cup fresh white bread crumbs
Salt
Pepper
METHOD

Preheat oven to 400 degrees. Have your butcher French cut the rack (that is to remove the fat and meat from between the ribs). Heat oil in a large pan. Season the lamb with salt and pepper.

Sear the rack, fat side down, in medium-hot oil until golden brown, about 10 minutes. The idea is to render out much of the fat and to give the lamb a nice roasted flavor and color. Turn the rack over and color the bones side for a few minutes. Remove from the pan and let cool to room temperature.

Spread the Dijon mustard on the meat side; roll in breadcrumbs to coat evenly. Bake for 18-20 minutes for medium rare.

Let the racks rest for 15 minutes before serving. Carefully slice along the rib bones allowing three ribs per person.

[hendo]

34. veal is very cute..

On my plate with some mozzarella cheese and marinara on it.

Oh, sorry, did I say cute? I meant delicious.

[flvegan]

43. You're trying too hard to be an asshole.

Reel it in a notch.

[hendo]

54. I'm just stating how delicious it is. Maybe if you had some, you would understand NT

[Maru Kitteh]

109. So, how long have you been a recently pubecent adolecent male?

I'm guessing you've tried to hard at many things, and that those endeavors arrived at equally poor ends.

[Kajsa]

129. And he's full of baloney,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5374264&mesg_id=5375019

[Reterr]

22. Nah they suck too.eom

[AZBlue]

99. No, they are both sick and repugnant.

[NorthernSpy]

133. Do you eat meat or wear leather shoes?

You know how you eat pork and beef, and wear leather?


Well, Inuit eat seal and use sealskin. Same thing.

[hendo]

14. How dare these people partake in traditional activities. NT

[truebrit71]

42. I believe lynching was traditional in the South as well...

...should that continue?

:eyes:

[hendo]

55. brush up on your US history. Lynching was a much more recent act than many think. NT

[NorthernSpy]

136. The targets of lynching were human beings.

Please do not compare black men and women with animals.

[Ignis]

65. Traditional activities like FGM? (nt)

[Crunchy Frog]

73. Cannibalism and human sacrifice are traditional activities as well.

Yay for tradition!

[Roadless]

75. hahha no shit

"tradition" is a worthless descriptor.

[Kajsa]

128. Let's not forget

genital mutilation and "honor killing".

"Traditions"- all of them!

[Roadless]

74. Calling it "tradition" doesn't excuse unethical behaviour

That's about as lazy as it gets.

[NorthernSpy]

138. How is it "unethical" to hunt for meat and hides?

Oh, I know: "but these seals are soooo CUUUUUUTE!!!11!"

[Posteritatis]

20. My opinion on the hunt or its opponents notwithstanding, online petitions are worthless. (nt)

[Canuckistanian]

26. You're right. They aren't reaching their target.

The only way this will be stopped is if the market for sealskin dries up.

Red Lobster boycotts and online petitions are useless.

[hendo]

35. and dont forget kiddies

if you throw paint on a fur coat, the person will just go out and buy another one.

[U4ikLefty]

37. dont forget kiddies...if you club them in the head instead of throwing paint

they won't be able buy another fur coat.

[hendo]

38. but then you will be thrown in prison for murder

or at the very least, for assault with a deadly weapon.

[U4ikLefty]

44. Why? The "kiddies" chose to "partake in traditional activities"

which has been a tradition in their part of the world for many generations.

They even eat the meat afterwards...yum, it is REAL tender. Although I've heard it goes best with a little "mozzarella cheese and marinara on it."

And if it tastes as good as veal, I am so there.

[hendo]

53. which kiddies are we talking about now?

the ones that throw paint (I hope not), or the ones that carryout an age old hunting practice?

[Maru Kitteh]

110. Cannibalism is a tradition of millennia. Age old.

It's a time honored hunting practice. That's all that matters.

[Liberal_in_LA]

25. ugh. How awful

[InvisibleTouch]

27. Signed - but...

...I always wonder if it does any good.

[Liberal_in_LA]

28. signed it.

[Name removed]

31. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Triana]

47. I don't give a DAMN about the reasons for this. TWO words: inhumane and cruel

And that is enough. It is MORE than enough to stop it - regardless ANY other reasons.

[Mari333]

50. the cruelty is beyond belief

and I cannot fathom how anyone can condone it.

[Triana]

52. Me either. And the cruelty is enough for me. It should be stopped on that basis alone. n/t

[MajorChode]

58. So by that reasoning, all hunting should be banned entirely

Since practically all other forms of hunting are actually more "inhumane and cruel".

[AndrewP]

59. Call it what you want, but it sure the fuck isn't a "sport" like hunters try to claim

[MajorChode]

61. I don't think anyone claimed it was

It's a commercial operation for the most part.

[hendo]

82. when did any of us call seal hunting a sport? NT

[Jakes Progress]

66. Those who take part

and those who see nothing wrong with it lack a part of their souls that most humans have.

They like to think they are cooler or more evolved than a bunch of animal lovers, but they just don't get it because their is something missing there.

[MajorChode]

67. Those that see nothing wrong with it...

May be better informed than you are. You might want to at least consider that possibility before you are so quick to condemn.

Many are making judgments based on a few pictures and what fanatical groups are saying on the matter. Rarely does that offer a person an informed position on which to argue. There's a lot more to the story. I've learned by experience that rarely is there just one true side to any story and those with an agenda will never tell you the other side even if they aren't outright lying about what they claim.

Most Canadians are OK with the government's policies regarding the hunt. Are you really so sure about your assertions that you think most of them "lack a part of their souls"?

[G_j]

68. quick to condemn?

sorry to butt in,

but, we've been watching this happen for years!
It's not just a few photos or stories. The hunt has been well documented.

[MajorChode]

83. Condemn who?

The previous poster was condemning those "who see nothing wrong with it".

And yes, the hunt has been going on for hundreds of years. It's also been very well documented, and most of it has been highly biased. So the question then becomes who are you going to believe?

So are you going to believe groups like the WWF, who has said they have no problems with the hunt? Are you going to believe groups like the Humane Society of the US who has said the hakapik is not inhumane? Or are you going to believe the government of Canada? Or are you going to believe "animal rights" organizations who will never be satisfied until everyone is a vegan?

Now if you are against ALL hunting, or the harvesting of ALL animals, that might be one thing, but trying to challenge the hunt on other grounds is folly.

[Kajsa]

125. The Humane Society says otherwise.

http://www.ifaw.org/Publications/Program_Publications/Seals/asset_upload_file935_53312.pdf

http://tinyurl.com/cla5rb

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/poll/2009/mar/26/animals-seals-culling


The Humane Society International,

http://www.hsicanada.ca/wildlife/seals/seal_myths_and_facts.html

among other things,

Myth: It is illegal to kill baby seals in Canada.

Fact: Canada's commercial seal hunt is a slaughter of defenseless baby seals. It is true that in Canada, newborn "whitecoat" harp seals are protected from hunting. But as soon as they begin to shed their fluffy white coats—as young as 12 days old—these baby seals are legally hunted by sealers. In fact, 97 percent of the seals killed in the commercial seal hunt over the past three years have been younger than 3 months, and most were younger than 1 month old. At the time of slaughter, many of these pups had not yet eaten their first solid meal or taken their first swim. Sealers prefer to kill the baby seals because their skins are in "prime" condition and fetch the highest prices.

Myth: The seal hunt is humane.

Fact: In 2001, an independent veterinary panel performed post-mortems on seal carcasses abandoned on the ice floes. Their report concluded that in 42 percent of cases, the seals did not show enough evidence of cranial injury to even guarantee unconsciousness at the time of skinning.

(read on- they cover "sustainability" here, too!)

The Humane Society,

http://www.hsus.org/protectseals.html

[underseasurveyor]

85. Have you taken a poll of "most Canadians?"

Were "most Americans" OK with the Bush Policies? Are you really so sure about your assertions that you think most Canadians are OK with seal hunting?


I can tell you that I have numerous relatives and many friends in Canada (BC and Ontario mostly) and if they represent a small but diverse sample of Canadians that are asked if they're OK with the seal hunt, their answer is a resounding NO.

[MajorChode]

86. Why would I need to?

Given the fact that people who actually perform polls for a living have already done so in accordance with widely accepted polling practices. I'm pretty sure that trumps any anecdotal evidence you might have.

[Jakes Progress]

89. Could you link to a the many polls

that you refer to that support your position.

[MajorChode]

90. Sure

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/por-rop/fp_858_seal-eng.htm

[Jakes Progress]

97. They didn't ask the right question.

The group paying for the research helped to devise the methodology and language.

Try asking more than 1,000 if they believe that it is a good thing to beat baby seals in the head until they stop bleating in pain and die.

Those that agree will also be those who beat their dogs, drown cats, and cheer commercial dog fighting.

As I said, missing genes.

[MajorChode]

102. What a crock

A better thing to do would be to ask 1,000 if public policy should be dictated from a stance of ignorance and misinformation.

Your argument has already been debunked. The method used is not inhumane. Repeating the same nonsense over and over and over again does not make it any less BS.

Comparing seal hunting to those who kill animals for nothing more than a sense of cruelty, is a false analogy and more appeal to emotion. In other words, BS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_analogy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion

Aristotle believed that an ignoratio elenchi is a mistake made by a questioner while attempting to refute a respondent's argument. He called it an ignorance of what makes for a refutation. For Aristotle, then, ignoratio elenchi amounts to ignorance of logic. In fact, Aristotle goes so far as to say that all logical fallacies can be reduced to what he calls ignoratio elenchi.

[Jakes Progress]

124. Look,

If you need permission or approval for wanting to kill, you won't get it at DU. You don't need our approval. We don't need your nonsense.

[Jakes Progress]

88. We really have no common ground

You have no problem with clubbing baby seals. It does not move you. This has nothing to do with being informed. It has to do with having a soul that feels. The clubbers, their supporters, Michael Vick - these are people who have a part of their human soul missing.

You cannot speak for most Canadians. I have hundreds of friends who live there who find this soulless grubbing to be demeaning to their country.

Maybe it's in the genes. Maybe there is a mutation where something doesn't connect. Those with the disconnected strand want to talk about animal brutality in historical, or economic, or pseudo-scientific terms. The lack the ability to see what most of us know innately. They just don't get it. It is not in them.

[MajorChode]

92. Logical fallacy

If you can't make the case that the method used is inhumane (and you can't), then all you have is this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion

[Jakes Progress]

93. As I said.

You don't get it. S'ok. Enjoy the life you can have. Try to hurt as few as possible.

[MajorChode]

98. Exactly

I don't get nonsense. If you can't make your case reasonably, then don't be surprised when others "don't get it".

I do find it quite funny that you think others have something wrong with them when they don't buy into the line of BS you're selling. As if there's something wrong with not being on the far left side of the bell curve and having absolutely no ability to think outside of your warped picture of reality.

If you don't think ignorance hurts people, you have a lot to learn. Try to hurt as few as possible.

Have a nice day.

[Maru Kitteh]

111. Ad Nauseum you repeat yourself, but you remain wrong.

Decades of evidence and a teaspoon of common sense leave all but the challenged and the willfully ignorant on your side of the "debate."

You live with the Flat Earth Society and the climate change deniers. At least we know where to find you.

[MajorChode]

112. If I'm wrong, then prove me wrong

Otherwise the best you have is your silliness of trying to pretend who else is on my side of the fence, as if you have a monopoly on enlightenment and one must accept that as a given based on faith.

The "decades of evidence" you mention is nothing more than non-objective anecdotal BS produced by organizations who have an agenda. If that is what passes as "evidence" in your book, then you might want to re-evaluate which side of the fence you reside. Those who have parroted out that nonsense didn't even provide reference to their source (although one did say he had "inside vested" information, right).

I've provided clear evidence and facts provided by cited objective sources and have not seen one shred of any reciprocation in this entire thread.

As the saying goes. Put up or shut up.

[Maru Kitteh]

113. Child, that work is already done.

[MajorChode]

122. In other words you have nothing to offer but name calling

I'm not at all surprised really.

Have a nice day.

[AZBlue]

100. So fanatical groups are staging the videos? The photographs? The statements by hunters themselves?

OK, good luck with that.

[MajorChode]

103. Exactly

It doesn't take much to present a misleading picture, especially when the public at large is ignorant of the facts and the groups responsible for those images are allowed to pick an choose the ones they want to present. It would be like presenting images from a slaughterhouse where things didn't go as planned and interviewing disgruntled workers and trying to present that as a picture of how the industry as a whole operates (which is done also).

It's easy to attack the methods used to harvest the seals, but if you can suggest a more humane method then do so. Good luck with that. No other method of hunting comes close. Even the commmercial methods used on livestock are more stressful on the animal. So it really just boils down to whether you actually have any legitimate concerns about the animals' pain and suffering, or you just want to present emotional nonsense intentionally made to deceive.

[Jakes Progress]

123. Give it up

This one is so afraid you might not like him killing things that he avoids any form of answer to questions. He just keeps saying he's right. He is. Right Wing that is.

[Roadless]

76. absolutely OTM

Very well said.

[MajorChode]

91. Here's the way I see it...

This is the house of cards they are basing their arguments:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion

The rest of it doesn't get much better.

They claim that "clubbing" seals is inhumane. The reality is it's the most humane way to physically kill an animal.

They claim the motivations behind the hunt are nefarious. The reality is their motives are no more nefarious than most other commercial operations. Almost all of the seal carcass is used for commercial purposes. Alleging it's nefarious is pretty hypocritical if you own any leather goods or eat any other meat products, and just plain ridiculous otherwise. The seals in question aren't an endangered species.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

135. That's an interesting avatar you have.

[Omaha Steve]

69. In Memory of Marie

Omaha's seal lady.

K&R!

[Mike 03]

94. Disgusting and hideous beyong comment. NT

[Mike 03]

96. I just wish your post was made in the last 24 hours so that I could rec it. NT

[AZBlue]

101. Me too - I just tried.

[Mari333]

120. amazing some of the murderers on this thread

I pray that they 'succumb' someday to the same lack of compassion they show to small defenseless animals.
and yeah, if you support this you are scum.

[Kajsa]

130. Right you are, Mari,

:(

[NorthernSpy]

134. Bossy, hypocritical outsiders are scum.

I support the Inuit. The Inuit hunt seals. They have always hunted seals. Hunting seals is their right, and it's ethically no different than killing pigs for pork and pigskin -- except that some whitefolk have decided that seals are cuter than pigs, and therefore arrogate unto themselves the "right" to impose their double standard on the peoples of the Arctic: we can slaughter pigs on our farms, but you can't hunt seals in your traditional territories.

[Kajsa]

121. Done!

I've been fighting this for a long, long time.

Thank You for posting this,Mari!

:)

[amborin]

127. just signed it!

[suede1]

131. Damn them! I remember this growing up in the '70's and it's still going on?

They suck!

[NorthernSpy]

137. Because only animals that fail the cuteness test should be eaten.

:eyes:


Please. Hunting seals is just like hunting deer. It's just that for most people who don't live in the North, seals seem like some kind of cuddly novelty animal, and are therefore too special to be hunted for meat and hides.