Wingnut calls for violent overthrow of US government in my local paper

[Juche]

March 27th edition, letter to the editor, Palladium item, Richmond Indiana.

http://www.pal-item.com/article/20090327/NEWS0302/903260329/1003/NEWS17?GID=OihdmPqTqgllPUFwyPqZ0ullAGUyitk+cUJwjUJ257g%3D

Daring to dream that citizen army, military put down corruption


The seeds of revolution are being sown in this land by Obama himself. With his cohorts in Congress he rams through trillions in spending, money we don't have; then proposes to balance the scales by trimming Medicare and taxing the "wealthier than they otta be" into oblivion. About now, all able-bodied, card-carrying AARP members are dusting off their muskets. And the chronically overtaxed will finance their revolt.

It will begin with small groups refusing to pay their taxes to all those louts in Washington, and Washington retaliating by various means of repression, confiscation, fines and imprisonment. As word gets around about all this thuggery, a groundswell of opposition is joined. At some point in this melee shots are fired. The government now calls on the military, but the fed-up citizenry becomes one huge guerrilla army, and total chaos ensues. The military now turns its fury on the feds. After all will a young Marine pull the trigger against his dad, who's now an integral, willing member of this citizens force? I think not. And now, joined as one, the citizen's army and military march on Washington and all its corruption and justice is served. Dare to dream.

Joe Kutter,
New Paris, Ohio


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What bothers me is that a legitimate newspaper printed this story. FTR, I live in Mike Pence's district, so there you go.

I want to write a rebuttal, and I will, but I doubt it will get published. If these wingnuts are upset about the last election, why don't they campaign better? It seems like after the results were in they immediately leaned towards domestic terrorism and violent revolution rather than regrouping and running another non-violent political campaign.

[Duke Newcombe]

1. Mr. Kutter should put some tea out for the Secret Service, arriving in 3..2..1..

[drm604]

2. Isn't this Joe Kutter breaking the law

by calling for armed rebellion?

[Juche]

6. Why would the paper print it?

That is what I don't get. It is one thing to post whatever you want on a message board, but a paper has advertisers to worry about and editors who are supposed to screen for these things.

[stubtoe]

29. Well, it is in Indiana, a wingnut bastion.

Who knows, this might have been the best-written letter on the topic that they received that day.

[NYC_SKP]

3. "Joe Nutter"

:rofl:

[Juche]

4. My reply

I doubt it'll get published, but I'm going to submit it, or draft it a bit more.



Reading Joe Kutter’s editorial last week reminded me why I am and will always be a committed progressive liberal. His calls for the violent overthrow of our democratically elected government remind me why I worked so hard and donated so much money to keep people who share his attitude out of the white house and congress.

Does he expect the 69 million of us who voted for Barack Obama to sit quietly if he and his compatriots assault the constitution, bill of rights and our democracy? Does he expect us to passively accept his hatred and disdain for our country and its institutions? Does he expect us to join his wingnut army with their attempt to destroy our democracy? Does he expect the 55% of voters who voted for democratic candidates (or a large percentage of the 45% who voted for republican candidates) to sit quietly by if he or others like him attempt to violently turn America into a fascist corporate state?

Bob Altemeyer is a psychologist and expert on right wing authoritarianism (RWA), a mental outlook found in the extreme of right wing politics such as fascism. He has found that people with RWA personalities have little regard for democracy, the bill of rights, the constitution, individual liberty or the rule of law if they get in the way of their agenda. If you want to see how shallow the talk of ‘freedom’ and ‘the constitution’ coming from the RWA’s of this country is, just look at how quickly they call for violent rebellion against our democratic government when their guy doesn’t win. This is not a joke, there is a significant minority in this country that couldn’t care less about democracy, human rights or the constitution and who hide it behind flowery talk of ‘freedom’ and ‘independence’.

Face it, right wingers have trashed this country. We were tricked into an unnecessary war, warnings about 9/11 were ignored until it was too late, our reputation is destroyed, the debt is doubled, morale is low. If you want to win again, then start making it worth our while to vote for your candidates. Don’t destroy our countries morale, treasury, reputation and integrity, then call for domestic terrorism after you lose the subsequent election.

[MadMaddie]

5. Great Reply!!

[napoleon_in_rags]

7. Its good...But I almost miss the old "hate America" card.

They played it against us for 8 years, now the tables ought to be turned. Its just karma. Somewhere around this line:

"Does he expect the 69 million of us who voted for Barack Obama to sit quietly if he and his compatriots assault the constitution, bill of rights and our democracy?"

[Juche]

8. Done

Now how is it

[napoleon_in_rags]

9. I think its really good.

If anybody is planning on rising up in this country on behalf of rich asshole bankers, they can deal with me. I totally back this LTTE.

[aquart]

18. Proof it first.

[ProfessorGAC]

21. Outstanding

I sure hope they print it.
GAC

[bird gerhl]

10. "Dare to dream" of a rightwing military coup!

:dunce:

[New Dawn]

11. If someone left-wing had said the same thing during the Bush regime...

They would have been disappeared.

[Enthusiast]

22. To Gitmo. nt

[bird gerhl]

12. How do these people begin to take themselves seriously,

much less expect anybody else to?

Imagine being trapped in that man's life. Imagine being a prisoner of your own body, of your own mediocre intellect. I would commit suicide if I were that man, yes. First I would buy a gun, I don't know much about them so I figure any old handgun will do. Then I would write a big, scary, inspiring letter to the local paper about overthrowing the government. Then I would turn the gun on myself, and put an end to my daily humiliation. I would dare to dream.

[sakabatou]

13. Joe Kutter to be in the police blotter tomorrow.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

14. Joe da Knutter

is looking at some time 'splaining...

[47of74]

15. Oh and where would this dumb ass have gotten such ideas

I dunno, maybe guys like Sean Hannity, Michelle Bachman, and other right wing nut bags.

[adamuu]

16. indeed. let's not forget that. n/t

[tomreedtoon]

17. How can you overthrow a government in a paper?

The only thing close to that I recall is "Poor Richard's Almanac." And that had Franklin writing it. Not only would trying to overthrow a government with a paper be difficult (because most of the lunatic troops don't read much anyway) but newspapers are going out of business all over.

[Juche]

23. The point is that a serious newspaper is aiding him

People have views like his, but I can't figure out why the newspaper published his fantasies and agenda of fascist takeover.

[Hekate]

19. Quite the freeper fantasist, isn't he? Glad I don't live next door to him. nt

[notesdev]

20. Not as far fetched as you might think

This country is very angry and getting angrier by the day. People are tired of being stolen from and lied to and having their own government be the enabler and facilitator of the situation.

Mark my words, there will be civil disorder in at least one major city by the end of the summer, and it could spread far beyond that.

Unless there is a major, immediate, economic policy about-face, Barack Obama may well end up in the history books as being the LAST President of the United States.

This really is that serious, folks. The very existence of our nation is being threatened by the rampant lawlessness that extends from the marble halls of Congress to the posh offices of Wall Street.

That LTTE may be one of the more wild-eyed expressions thereof, but you are dangerously deluding yourself if you think it is not representative of how a lot of people feel. Hearing people I know who are totally non-political open up in unprompted rants about the banks and the government, it is very clear to me that the sleeping giant is waking up.

[RandomKoolzip]

26. Ha ha!

:rofl:

[blondeatlast]

28. Opinion polls? Schmopinion polls, eh? That post makes this thread bookmark worthy,

to be revisited sometime toward the end of the year.

I thought that kind of reactionary fantasy existed only over there on THAT side, I thought wrong, apparently.

[Juche]

24. The reply has to be under 200 words

I've pared it down to 216 words, now I'm not sure where to cut:

Joe Kutter’s editorial reminded me why I am a progressive liberal and why I worked so hard to keep people who share his attitudes out of power.

Does he expect the 69,456,897 of us who voted for Obama to sit quietly if he and his compatriots attack our constitution, bill of rights and democracy? Does he expect us to passively accept his violent hatred and disdain for our country and institutions?

Bob Altemeyer, psychologist and expert on right wing authoritarianism (RWA) has found that people with RWA personalities have little regard for democracy, individual liberty, the bill of rights, constitution or rule of law if they get in the way of their agenda. To see how shallow the talk of ‘freedom’ and ‘the constitution’ coming from the RWA’s is, look at how quickly they call for violent overthrow of our democratic government when their guy loses.

Face it, right wingers have trashed this country. We were duped into an unnecessary war, warnings about 9/11 were ignored until it was too late, reputation is destroyed, debt is doubled, morale is low. If you want to win again, make it worth our while to vote for your candidates. Don’t destroy our countries morale, treasury, reputation and integrity, then call for domestic terrorism when you lose the subsequent election.

[kctim]

30. You should trash the last paragraph

It lumps the average right winger in with this guy, which pushes them to support his view and resent yours.

[47of74]

31. I got it down to 199 words

I know how that goes, I've been asked to trim down LTTEs that I've written to fit in their 250 word or less requirement in the past. I was able to take what you had written and made enough changes to get it down to 199 words.

Joe Kutter’s editorial reminded me why I’m a liberal and why I worked hard to keep those sharing his attitudes out of power.

Does he expect the 69,456,897 of us who voted for Obama to sit quietly if he and his compatriots attack our constitution, bill of rights and democracy? Does he expect us to accept his violent hatred and disdain for our country and institutions?

Bob Altemeyer, expert on right wing authoritarianism (RWA) found those with RWA personalities have little regard for democracy, individual liberty, bill of rights, constitution or rule of law if they get in the way of their agenda. To see how shallow talk of ‘freedom’ and ‘the constitution’ coming from the RWA’s is, look how quickly they call for violent overthrow of our democratic government when their guy loses.

Face it, they’ve trashed this country. We were duped into an unnecessary war, warnings about 9/11 were ignored until too late, reputation is destroyed, debt is doubled, morale is low. If you want to win again, make it worth our while to vote for your candidates. Don’t destroy our morale, treasury, reputation, and integrity, and then call for domestic terrorism after losing the subsequent election.

[gratuitous]

25. Where was Joke Utter's outrage six years ago?

He seems quite exercised about the spending of "money we don't have." Except instead of being funneled down overseas money sucks, it's being channeled toward roads and schools, and that tipped him over the edge. Not that it sounds like Joke Utter was all that balanced to begin with.

[Blue_Tires]

27. this whole 'overthrow' meme seems to be spreading

because i've overheard a couple of RW small-business owners echoing the same thing... but it's just delusional masturbatory talk, and they know their only course of action is to rant on the internet and in LTTEs while hoping against hope that things DON'T improve in the nation...

I'm willing to bet this Joe Kutter doesn't even exist....

[chrisa]

32. And then we switch the video game off and go do something else.

It's disturbing when people who have such a loose concept of reality talk so casually about war.

[kerrywins]

33. Both Parties

- counterfeit currency
- force us to use their counterfeited currency (monopoly on money supply)
- continue to let us know how much we can keep from our wages
- charge us rent on our own property
- maintain a massive empire overseas (military bases)
- continue and start unjust wars
- transfer our property (money) to corporations (corporate welfare)

they both seem to be doing a fantastic job, why would anyone want to dissolve the federal government?