Oh, no. The GUN lobby is at it again.

[givemebackmycountry]

What is it with you guys?
Do you coordinate your posts prior to informing me about the:

Toddler shot in the hand.
Toddler shot in the foot.
Toddler shot in the hand and the foot.
Pizza guy blows other guy away.
Other guy blows pizza guy away.
Homeowner blows robber away.

I get it.
I support your right to bear arms.
Give us a freaking break...

[HughMoran]

1. Guns are tasty. Homeowner blows robber, pizza guy, toddler in hand

:rofl:

[DJ13]

4. Homeowner blows robber

:wow:


Pics?

:rofl:

[billyoc]

2. Thanks, now I'm starving.

[cliffordu]

18. Me too. All I got is the popcorn, though.....ya want some??

:popcorn:

[billyoc]

24. I don't know if I want to fill up, I think somebody's ordering pizza.

Oh, what the hell, gimme some. :rofl:

[flvegan]

3. The Gungeon is a special place.

Nothing against it but sometimes the front page would be better without it.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

5. Where have you been this has been going on for months?

[DBoon]

6. of course we support open source Linux

Oh wait, you said "gun" lobby, not "gnu" lobby

[cliffordu]

25. I'm a fellow gnu nut, my own self.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

29. I am sort of both...

I don't consider myself a gun nut. I have a modest number and have not added to it in many years. However, I keep current with what I have, and carry on my property especially during snake season.

I have been a project maintainer for years for a couple of open source projects

[cliffordu]

33. I'm not really a gun nut per se, but have owned a few...

I've been using Linux for a long time...since '95 or early 96...Later - in 2000 I was fortunate enough to work at IBM in the Linux Labs in their documentation department...

Heady times, but IBM sucked on an epic scale - I am not a corporate dude at all....

[DBoon]

41. I've owned a few too....

Slackware, Red Hat, Debian....

[Occulus]

48. rpm -qa | grep duzy n/t

[medeak]

7. have you ever had a gun held to your head?

well I have..

nothing wrong with getting the education and training and testing to have a permit to carry a concealed weapon...next time I won't be a victim

[DJ13]

8. Yes, a sawed off shotgun in an armed robbery by a meth addict

Also was a witness to a homicide of a 17 year old kid, and I was an assault victim.

Do I cower in fear?

No, and I have gun training (38 Special, M15 rifle), but I dont own a gun.

[medeak]

23. am so sorry for your trauma

I truly understand.. we all have different coping mechanisms. wish you much healing xoxoxo

edited to say.. I was a nurse getting off shift..it's my nature to help people and car following me I thought was lost and asked them if they needed help...and nearly killed. I think you being a man with an entirely different frame of mind is a bit different. The perps had my home address as took everything off me.. couldn't sleep knowing they knew where I lived...and neighbors said they saw a car with the same description driving by our home. So I felt better getting a frigging 357. But there's another story here...moved 300 miles away to a remote ranching community and my door knob was turning..had my baby on my hip and gun pointed at the door. A truck drove away...the next day the same truck pulled up and and it was rancher collecting for heart association. In these parts..ranchers open the door and say "whoo hoo?" without knocking. thank gawd I didn't pull the trigger...I understand both sides believe me...

[michreject]

42. One would think if you had training

that you would know that 38 special is a caliber, not gun and that a M15 is neither.

[slackmaster]

44. Actually, there is an M15 rifle

In fact a few different versions of them - They're one of ArmaLite's AR-15 variants.

I own one, an M15 A4, similar to this one:

[michreject]

47. I stand corrected

It appears that it is unique to ArmaLite. It was designed for the Illinois State Police. I wouldn't imaging it having widespread LEO issue. Exposure to it as a training weapon would be rare I would think.

[Chulanowa]

11. Next time, yes you will

Everyone packing heat didn't keep poor bastards from getting gunned down in the west, it doesn't protect gangbangers, and it's not going to do much to protect you, either. The only purpose it serves is as a fetish that you will believe magically protects you, a security blanket, only with less practical use.

[virginia mountainman]

15. What is with all these sexual references from the "Anti Civil rights" crowd?

[Chulanowa]

55. I dunno, what's with the dirty minds of the gun nut crowd?

A fetish is an object or concept that is believed to grant power or potency through magic, just by its presence. Such as the security blanket I mentioned. Basically, a lot of you truly, honestly believe that if you have a gun in your possession, no harm will befall you. You might as well invest in a Ghost Shirt or some powdered rhino horn or something.

[cliffordu]

17. Or, in my case when you point it into the face of the prick that just

broke the screen door and stepped into the kitchen.....

so yeah, in a lot of ways you are exactly right.

[TankLV]

68. yeah, like THAT'LL ever likely happen...

NOT!

Sorry, but I don't live in FEAR, and someone breaking into my home EVER, let alone with a gun, is just not going to happen...

[aikoaiko]

50. How bizzare that someone with the sig line "Defiance is a virtue" speak so poorly about a tool ..

...of defiance against oppression from tyranny (whether than tyranny be small scale thugs or oppressive governments).


The monkey king would be ashamed of you.

[virginia mountainman]

52. Yep,,

Hypocrites.....

[Chulanowa]

56. Oh yes. Handguns will protect you from the government

Ask any Palestinian.

So, seriously. Defiance against oppression and tyranny, I just HAVE to ask... where the fuck were you between Jan. 20, 2001, and Jan 20, 2009?

Sun Wukong might be embarrassed with me, but he'd hit your ignorant and hypocritical ass with his stick.

[aikoaiko]

57. Handguns can help -- there are used in armed conflict to great effect in certain situations,

Where was I for the last eight years? Working to keep my party from losing elections over pathetic gun control. And guess what, it fuckin worked. The less we talked about gun control, the better our results in the polls. Of course gun control wasn't the only issue or even the biggest issue in the last batch of elections, but it does resonate with a sizable portion of the voting public.

Are you actually trying to say that armed conflict against the US govt was required during Bush2? If so, what did you do? If nothing, then STFU. I don't think is was required, but it could have gone that way pretty easily.

hypocritical ass --- once again, see your sig line and compare it to what you post and then look up the word hypocritical.

[Chulanowa]

62. And now that they're in charge...

You're going on about arming yourself against oppressive government. You know, exactly what you weren't doing when hte government actually WAS oppressive. That's fucking weird.

[aikoaiko]

64. I was "going on" about the right to keep and bear arms during Bush2 and even before that.

The right transcends particular Presidents or even governments. Are you really so myopic that you don't realize that just because things have changed for the better that they can't change again for the worse -- much worse?

And for the record, I spoke of oppression, in general, not only from a tyranical domestic government.

[Chulanowa]

67. You're still the confused one here.

Do you for a moment believe that if things take a turn for the "much, much worse" that your guns will help?

No, they won't. Allow me to explain reality to you for a moment.

Your gun, and the 2nd amendment with it, is nothing but a placebo today. You are told you are a hero, a valiant defender of freedom for purchasing a gun. You are constantly warned of the "tyrants" seeking to "deny your rights". And you lap it up, tail wagging. You, my friend, are Pavlov's dog. You have been trained to respond to the buzzwords with a mindless reaction. You see, the men and women so vigorous about your 2nd amendment rights are the same ones who want to tear apart your rights as protected in each other amendment.

Why?

Because you are no different from the rest of the slackjawed, mindless, disinterested populace. They slobber over their playstations, their hummers, their reality shows; you slobber over your gun. You are all just as easily mollified. Just a simple manipulation to make you feel secure and keep you entertained, while the real news is going on around you, unnoticed.

What you, and the rest of the chucklenuts whacking off here about "oppression!" don't realize... is that the 2nd amendment is the least threatening to a tyrannical government. Are you kidding me? Your highly polished collection is going to help you stand up against military or police force? No, of course it's not. I think that, intellectually you understand this... But you've been trained from puppyhood, to have this gigantic emotional attachment. You've been sold a panacea, and refuse to realize it's just a placebo, because of how much went into purchasing it in the first place.

Can things get much, much worse? Absolutely. But guns won't help that. Especially when they're in the possession of people like yourself, who will never, ever give a fuck about how bad things are until it threatens your ownership of useless hunks of metal.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Yep and steel toe boot was effective that day

idiot was too drunk to take safety off

Luck, take it any day of the week and twice on sunday

Oh and he's still in jail over that one

by the way, how big was the GUN MUZZLE? BIIIIGGGG

(Fer he record 1911 .45)

Oh and 5.1 female, driving home from work as a medic

For the record I am a terrible shot and have never, ever considered getting a CWP...

[medeak]

32. am so glad you are ok

are you ok? maybe it's just me....but there's a tone there of anger? wish you the best from a fellow victim with no steel toed boot. ;-)

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. Anger does not enter it, thinking of myself as a victim doesn't either

I had a job to do... since that went just beyond idiot and gun...

If you allow yourself to be a victim, then you are one

I took care of many folks over the course of ten years... and the only reason why I learned to use guns was hubby was a cop...

Guns come home, you need to learn how to use them

Unofficially I want pulled the trigger of an UZI... and that was fun.

But I am not angry with idiot, his partner is serving a life sentence (broke his neck, paralyzed from the waist down) and the parents of the kid that died that day in the car accident are far more justified than I ever should be to be angry

Shit happens.

It is how you deal with it

[varkam]

38. I have - and I still don't like or own a guns.

:shrug:

[virginia mountainman]

9. You do realize..

The "gun lobby" did not exist, until the "holy war" on the 2nd Amendment started in the early 1990's


Talk about "unintended consiquiences" who would have thunk that attacking a civil right, could have created a backlash like this..

Lots of "unintended consiquiences" Like the 10 rnd magazine ban, that was part of the 1994 Assault Weapon ban..... All that did was push up the price of FULL size magazines, and spawn the explosion of guns, made just big enogh to hold the legal ten rounds... And small enough to put in your pocket...

Until that ban passed, most handguns where getting larger and larger, to hold more and more bullets... By setting a "limit" the opposite happened...

lets see how SMALL when can make a 10 rnd handgun...

Yea, lets give the "gun lobby" much more ammo to beat us over the head with....After all "some of us" gun control advocates are so stupid, that by just opening their mouth, they can embarrass a whole political party..


Like Caroline McCarthy, and the "thing that goes up" ban.... She don't know what it is.....BUT BY GOD SHE IS GOING TO BAN IT!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U

And another set of Dumbasses, on TV crying about "heat seeking bullets".... Get ready for a BIG TIME "WTF?!" moment...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRQqieimwLQ

What total DUMBASSES!! ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

O, don't forget, the pro-gun advocates, IN EVERY ELECTION CYCLE SINCE 1994, have gotten stronger, in the Congress, and Senate....

Let this being a warning...Don't even try.........

[depakid]

10. Excuse me while I....

:rofl:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association

[virginia mountainman]

13. Interesting quote in that article..

BTW, the "gun lobby" did not explode in power, till SOME, started passing ignorant laws...

“ The NRA had a great night. They beat both Speaker Tom Foley and Jack Brooks, two of the ablest members of Congress, who had warned me this would happen. Foley was the first Speaker to be defeated in more than a century. Jack Brooks had supported the NRA for years and had led the fight against the assault weapons ban in the House, but as chairman of the Judiciary Committee he had voted for the overall crime bill even after the ban was put into it. The NRA was an unforgiving master: one strike and you're out. The gun lobby claimed to have defeated nineteen of the twenty-four members on its hit list. They did at least that much damage and could rightly claim to have made Gingrich the House Speaker. ”

—Bill Clinton, My Life pp 629-30

That is a word of Warning........ Those who do not learn the lessons of the past, are doomed to repeat it..

[depakid]

16. That's certainly something the gun proliferation advocates shout about

In real life- it's highly overstated (and Bill to this day doesn't get why the nation turned on the "new" Democrats). Hint- it had nothing to do with a vocal, rather small and often cowardly minoritiy's obsession with assault weapons.

[virginia mountainman]

19. Cowardly???

I bet you can't even define "Assault Weapon"....

[depakid]

20. Anyone who feels that they need that sort of firepower is afraid

irrationally so- or perhaps simply obsessed (with or with or without the fear).

[virginia mountainman]

21. Your dodging, Define it......

Why do you keep talking about fear?? Are you scared or somthing??

[depakid]

22. This is typical gun lobby obfuscation

Let's make it simple:

This is a hunting rifle- its purpose is to take deer (hopefully in season)



------------

This is an assault rifle- its purpose is to wreak havoc on human populations:

[Hoopla Phil]

34. Lets make it simple: The 2A has nothing to do with hunting.

[Hoopla Phil]

35. Question: You and your family are stuck at your family owned/run

convenience store during a riot. The roving gangs are looting and setting fires and the are a block away and closing. Just which one of those pictured rifles would you rather have?

Oh, and as a side not. FBI statistics show that less than 3% of all homicides are committed with ALL rifles. That is fewer than homicides committed by stomping a person to death.

[depakid]

36. That's exactly what I mean- what are you woried about a riot for?

Roving gangs, looting- terra!

These are fear based responses- and the fact is, as the research shows, having a gun in the household increases the household's chances of being involved in a tragedy- or a violent crime. Like many things based on innaccurate risk assessments, it doesn't make good sense and actually increases one's likelihood of harm.

[Hoopla Phil]

53. Guess you were asleep during the Rodney King riots?

There were many a shop owner thankful for their normal capacity magazine equipped semi-automatic rifle during those days. And they said it could never happen there too. Hummm.

[depakid]

58. No actually, I was there pal

watched the fires move west on Olympic Blvd from my office at 2049 Century Park East. Also, coincidentally enough, we lived pretty close (on horse propertyup little Tugunga Canyon) nor far from where the beating occurred (and having driven the stretch roads and knowing the model of car they were driving- it was easy to see that the officers were lying through their teeth about the incident).

My secretary lived over in the direction of the violence- so we decided after driving over to her place and checking a few things, that it was a good idea for her to come stay with us for the night, until things calmed down somwhat. No bluster-just sensible decision making with respect to a rare event that happened one time 17 years ago.

btw: the quibbling over what's an assault weapon vs. a hunting rifle? Some folks have fallen for bait (as at least one DU'er knows per PM's last night). Not only is there irrational fear and innacurate risk assessment going on- but also, an element of obsession that prevents people from behaving reasonably or responsibly on this and related matters.

[TankLV]

70. and this circumstance occurs/has occurred exactly HOW often?!!!

tell me exactly where there are riots occurring all the time in the US...

you don't need more guns, you need to have sessions with a PSYCHIATRIST to cure your irrational FEAR...

[virginia mountainman]

39. Typical Anti-gun BULLSHIT

Let's make it simple:

This is an assault rifle- its purpose is to wreak havoc on human populations:



This is a hunting rifle- its purpose is to take deer (hopefully in season)




(submitters note) I bet the Mauser series of bolt action rifles, and its derivatives have killed of helped to kill more people than the M16 series ever came close to doing.. Not to mention the FACT that your friendly "hunting rifle" is a direct descendant of the Mauser action.

[michreject]

43. Bottom gun is an AR-10

.308. I just sold mine for two times what I paid for it. :-)

[slackmaster]

45. Excellent choice in the first pic, virginia mountainman

I'll bet depakid is not aware that the hunting rifle in his photo is a direct descendant of the Mauser in yours. Millions of military Mauser rifles have been "sporterized" - having their stocks lightened, some of the metal parts removed, and drilled for scope mounts.

[spin]

51. If an "assault weapon" can't be used for hunting please explain this picture...

Technically speaking, it makes all the sense in the world that proven military rifle designs should be inherently appropriate for hunting use. All successful military rifles are specifically designed for rugged, reliable function and durability under extreme conditions, which translates automatically into use under even the most extreme field-hunting use. They're also designed for reasonable weight, portability and ease of fast handling by people who may be carrying other heavy gear and wearing bulky clothing. They have an inherent capability for follow-up shots, and they must be deadly accurate against targets of the same basic dimensions and at the same distances typically encountered by hunters.
http://www.huntingmag.com/guns_loads/phsar_022707/

[krispos42]

63. And which do you want to have in your hands when your life is in danger?

A. Telephone
B. Bolt-action hunting rifle/deadly long-range sniper weapon
C. "Deadly assault weapon"/self-defense carbine

[ProgressiveProfessor]

30. Some of the items covered in AWB in CA do not qualify as serious firepower

For example a double stack 9mm.

[slackmaster]

46. An M1 Carbine with a folding stock is an "AW" in California

It doesn't get much wimpier than that.

[aikoaiko]

59. There are quite a few civilian police who think they need that fire power.

Do you include them on your coward's list?

[virginia mountainman]

61. Yea

IF all they are good for is mass killing, then why does the Police need them??

[NYC_SKP]

12. A barrel shroud is a shoulder thing that goes up!

:rofl:

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. I know I should leave this alone, but why not?

Gun control was common in the OLD WEST

And you forgot about them pesky laws passed in the 1930s?

This is part of that thing we all like to call US History

Now if you rather live in myth, by all means

After all we all know everybody packed in the old west (NOT)

And we all had Tommys in the 1930s (NOT)

But those are just two major examples

[Hoopla Phil]

31. Do you realize that prior to 1934 you could buy your "Tommy" by direct mail order?

Yep, sure could.

[nadinbrzezinski]

66. Yep you could

and I also know why you cannot any more

People dead tired of the cross country fire fights and demanded their government stop that shit

As I said, that silly thing called US History

The piles of bodies are piling up, like they did with prohibition

I know how to read history and her patterns.

:-)

You also know every time we have had GUN CONTROL laws no confiscation has ever been enacted, and all owners were grandfathered

Of course you do

[aikoaiko]

14. You do realize that the anti-gun folks are half responsible for those posts too.

just saying.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

28. Its another posting war from the Gungeon

The poster of most of them has done it before, gets spanked, and then goes away for a while.

[-..__...]

37. I know what you mean

"Its another posting war from the Gungeon"

Don't these people know that there are specific boards here on DU for them to vent and/or take up their cause in for these troubling issues?

Here's one from the environmentalist/Green disruptors...

Study: Arctic sea ice melting faster than expected...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5381387

And one from the gay rights crowd...

What do you think the Iowa Supreme Court case ruling on same-sex marriage will be

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5380687

And of course the national health care wackos have to add their 2 cents in...

Obama Health Critic Ousted by HCA in '97 Amid Nation's Biggest Health care Fraud

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5375705

How about them pro-choice nuts? Even they have to join in the fray...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5379634

Anti-abortion Westboro Baptist Church plans to disrupt Boston area funeral

I was expecting to find at least one thread from the anti-circumcision lunatics, but I guess one from the breast feeding advocates will have to suffice for now...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5370692

The Case Against Breast-Feeding

Note to all... please help keep GD free from these kind of political disscussions. There are dedicated boards for hot button issues and subjects... use them!

[virginia mountainman]

40. Great Post nt

[NeedleCast]

49. On DU, a "gun nut" is anyone who owns a number of guns greater than zero

[tammywammy]

54. Or someone that supports upholding the 2nd Amendment and owns zero guns n/t

[pinniped]

60. I support the right for 4-year olds to bear arms.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,476525,00.html

Angry Ohio Boy, 4, Shoots Baby Sitter With Shotgun, Police Say

Monday, January 05, 2009 | FoxNews.com

JACKSON, Ohio — Police say an angry 4-year-old Ohio boy grabbed a gun from a closet and shot his baby sitter.

Eighteen-year-old Nathan Beavers was hospitalized Sunday with minor wounds to his arm and side after the shotgun attack. Police say another teen was also injured.

Witnesses told police the child was angry because Beavers accidentally stepped on his foot. Beavers was watching the child at a mobile home in Jackson with several other teenagers and several other children.

Jackson County Sheriff John Shashteen says authorities are investigating. The child has not been charged.
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goo goo

You don't go around disrespecting 4-year olds.

[The Straight Story]

69. Is that like 'SUV runs over woman' - Those darn killer suv drones and gun drones

Let's ban water too, so people can't drown their kids.