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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:00 AM
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Kucinich - I Simply Cannot Endorse a Budget or a Plan that Authorizes the Expansion of War
http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=117716

"Washington D.C. ( April 2, 2009) – Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) today issued the following statement after voting against H.Con.Res 85, setting forth the Congressional Budget for the fiscal year 2010:

“I am committed to doing everything I can to put our community and our nation on the path to economic stability. I led opposition to the bank bailout program TARP, I worked vigorously in favor of the stimulus package, and I have worked to save the automotive, steel and aerospace industries in America.

“This budget is a statement of principles for the upcoming year, and I cannot accept it in its entirety. I will not vote for a budget that ties military spending to the operational funding of our government. This year, the budget includes $130 billion for war funding. The Washington Post reports today another 10,000 troops may be sent to Afghanistan, bringing our total number of troops there to as much as 78,000 by 2010 – a more than 100% increase from today’s troop levels. This budget is a plan that authorizes the expansion of the war. I simply cannot endorse a budget or a plan that sends more of our brave men and women to Afghanistan, a conflict which has the potential to become this generation’s Vietnam.”





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No.23 Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:04 AM
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1. Thataboy, Dennis.
Edited on Fri Apr-03-09 12:10 AM by No.23
Speak truth to power.

Show your counterpart war funders how it's done.

Speak truth to power.

Thataboy.

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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:10 AM
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2. Love the pic.
Damn, she would've been a beautiful first lady.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:18 AM
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5. And Dennis would be educating the people on single-payer HC
:(



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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:12 AM
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3. Nice pic and I agree with him...
Edited on Fri Apr-03-09 12:16 AM by slipslidingaway
"...I will not vote for a budget that ties military spending to the operational funding of our government..."

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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:09 AM
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47. She's so beautiful!
:loveya:
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:40 AM
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52. thank you Dennis
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Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:13 AM
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4. That, ladies and gentlemen, is a principled congressman
Go Dennis.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:19 AM
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6. Yes n/t
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:26 AM
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8. If only there were one hundred more of him n/t
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:46 AM
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23. there are millions
Edited on Fri Apr-03-09 01:46 AM by Two Americas
We have the numbers - here and out there and everywhere. Do we have the courage and the clarity?

Very few people can get elected to office without the machine and the approval of the big money interests. But public pressure can defeat that, and building public pressure is our job. Never mind Congress. Elected officials in a representative democracy never do anything that they are not forced to do. It is naive to expect anything else.


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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:20 AM
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7. That is a democrat i can proudly stand beside and cheer on!
That is a democrat that has not forgotten democratic values and principles!

Is there only one left??????

Since when do democratic presidents align themselves with Henry ( loves war) Kissinger????????

Thank you Dennis!!
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:12 PM
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131. Congress should get in the habit now of making a separate military budget
Military defense spending should not be included with a government operations spending budget. It's easier to keep track of and grants more accountability.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:28 AM
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9. Dennis is always a few years ahead of his time.
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suzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:39 PM
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74. Interesting. Being anti-choice until he decided to play like he was
running for the presidency...that was ahead of his time?
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 04:47 PM
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94. shhhh....
Edited on Fri Apr-03-09 04:50 PM by paulk
that doesn't fit into the narrative....
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 05:25 PM
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99. Wow that is a very old 2004ish hater comment
Edited on Fri Apr-03-09 05:26 PM by wuushew
Why regurgitate it if you only joined after Kucinich dropped out of this most recent 2008 primary season?

Fairness demands that you chide Gore for his former primitive conservative Tennessean views as well.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:29 AM
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10. k&r
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:30 AM
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11. Wow. An actual Democrat.
It's been awhile.
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Reform Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:52 AM
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12. This is one man
that gets respect from all sides, the respect for him is through out every party.
Why won't people of power listen to logic and wisdom during times of need?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:56 AM
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14. So in another words, why didnt everybody vote against the budget?
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No.23 Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:02 AM
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17. Watch my hand.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:04 AM
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18. Excuse me?
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:42 AM
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21. watch again
Watch more closely this time. You can't win if you don't play. It is easy if you pay attention.

Which shell is the $130 billion under?


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No.23 Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:48 AM
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24. Most legislators are like stage magicians.
They are artful practitioners of slight of hand.

They beckon your attention to watch one hand, while their other hand performs the dastardly deed.

The MIC loves to be fed this way.

It's less messy and avoids too many eyes.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:51 AM
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25. thats great and all, but didnt address my statement/question really at all.
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No.23 Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:00 AM
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27. Are you infering that...
Edited on Fri Apr-03-09 02:01 AM by No.23
you've never met a Democrat who talks one way (anti-continued-occupation-of-Iraq) but walks another (funds our continued occupation of Iraq)?

In some circles, they call this hypocrisy.

Is this an unfamiliar notion to you?
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 06:49 PM
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105. your post
"So in another words, why didn't everybody vote against the budget?"

It is not as though there is much there to reply to or consider.

I suppose of everyone was opposed to it, then yes it would be back to the drawing board and the people could get a better deal. Is that what you were asking?


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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:52 AM
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13. Kuchinicizens unite
Kucinich is the real Democrat.
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No.23 Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:58 AM
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15. "The people want the war to end now."
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/20562
Kucinich: Democratic Budget Keeps War Going Well Into 2009

(excerpted)

WASHINGTON, D.C. (March 28) - In anticipation of tomorrow's vote in the House of Representatives on the FY08 budget resolution, Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) released the following statement:

"This budget should reflect the mandate the Democrats were given by the American people in November," Kucinich said. "The Democrats' budget does just the opposite: it paves the way for the President to get $195 billion in funding for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"The President's FY08 budget requests funding for the Iraq war well into 2009 and the Democrat budget accepts that timeline. On the most important issue of our time, we are falling right into line with the President's plan for the war and his requests to fund it.

"The supplemental that just passed the House last week calls for a withdrawal of troops by August 2008. Why does the budget fund the war for perhaps an entire year past the withdrawal date in the supplemental? It appears that not only have some Democrats bought the war but they think they can win it when Bush has lost it.

(excerpted)

"The American people want the war to end now, not in 2008, and not in 2009. The people want the war to end now.

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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:23 AM
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34. No, we don't.
Not enough of us, not yet.

We're tiring of the war, sure, but no way are most Americans willing to lose this symbol of our alleged might.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 08:08 PM
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114. I don't feel, that containing a radical hate training ground, is
that bad of an idea. We live in a world that we have sliced and diced under the * administration. It's time for reconstructive surgery and post op.mainteniance.

Both Iraq and Afghanistan have been invaded, screwed over, and pervertedly used by the RW hard nosed REpub capitalists. Now is the time to go and fix it, and that takes resources. The military was also broken and must be fixed, and that takes money.

Leaving these countries to twist in the wind is not,IMO, being responsible. Obama has made it clear that his aim is to heal Iraq and cut out those radical destroyers of innocent American lives.It must be done. They must be brought to justice. The hurt was too much not to cry for justice.

Just and measured response is how to answer attacks. Over reaction and ignorance will only inflame the origins of the violence. Obama is walking an extremely narrow line.I think he is doing it well.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:16 PM
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119. You seem to suggest that we will catch the

"September 11 terrorists" in Iraq or Afghanistan. Do you really believe that? Bush supporters I know, hard-core Bush supporters, now believe it was MIHOP.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:01 AM
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16. kr
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No.23 Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:10 AM
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19. BTW, this would be a good poll to put up for DUers to respond to.
If you were a Democratic Congressperson, would you vote yay or nay on this budget?

It might be interestingly revealing.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:12 PM
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108. 84% would say yea... nt
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david13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:33 AM
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20. Hoorah! + + + I second the motion.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:42 AM
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22. k/r
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:55 AM
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26. Kooch is the man.
At least one of them gets it.
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 06:59 AM
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28. Love you, Dennis-k&r
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:03 AM
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29. love ya!
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:04 AM
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30. Sadly in America that sentiment = "unelectable." K&R for DK!!!
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:14 PM
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62. Dennis has won an awful lot of elections for a guy who is "unelectable."
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:09 AM
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31. amen dennis
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:11 AM
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32. He's right,knr!~
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:20 AM
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33. Go, Dennis!
Braver (and less often wrong) than almost any ten other Congresscritters.

If only he were taller, ate meat and bowed to the Judeo-Christian deity (or at least hunted), he could lead us. x(

We could use a few more like him.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:33 AM
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35. K&R for Kucinich...America's Congressman......n/t
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 08:05 AM
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36. why is it that he appears to be the only one in congress with a conscience?
i fucking love this guy.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:04 AM
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37. I love Dennis.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:04 AM
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38. k
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:07 AM
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39. K&R
:thumbsup:
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:11 AM
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40. Kucinich 2012 ...K & R
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:23 AM
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41. Kick for the best Democrat in office. nt
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:16 AM
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42. Kucinich is saying what Obama should be saying. Hear that Obama nuts? nt
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:48 AM
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43. So help me, it seems like the only guys with a conscience and any
sense of morality are the guys who haven't a snowballs chance in hell of taking the White House.

What does that tell ya?
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:51 AM
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44. "What does that tell ya?" Since most people indirectly agree, it speaks to the efficacy of...
Media-induced perception management, and corporate culture indoctrination.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:55 AM
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45. Or to profound corruption in our politica system. n/t
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:26 AM
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50. True, although you can't have one w/o the other
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No.23 Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:47 AM
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54. It serves the Democratic Party to have Dennis around.
He keeps a faithful following attached to the Party.

Even if he's consistently marginalized by his own Party.

As long as Dennis remains a Democrat, the Democratic Party can pretty much count on his followers staying withing the coral.

I've long believed that Dennis would provide a major service to the future our country.. by leaving the Democratic Party.

I still do.
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:58 AM
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46. I support you Dennis....
we need more like you, this expanded war shit is not right. They should read up on the history of that country. BEWARE OF THE INDUSTRIAL MILITARY COMPLEX!!!!
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OldTimeHippie Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:18 AM
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48. If only there were more. I totally agree
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:25 AM
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49. Kucinich was just ignored after Iowa, and the media declared a horse race.
Even my hard right wing father, said that he'd vote for him after watching the debates. He said he was the only person in both parties who had any integrity.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:01 PM
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67. Yeah
A conservative Iowan paper ran the debates in that state and most of the candidates were too cowardly and competative to stand up to them. Moreover the same paper practically created the candidacy of Alan Keyes in that state to make the GOP look inclusive.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:28 AM
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51. It will pass without his support. There are enough real Democrats in Congress who will vote for it
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:17 PM
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57. your "real democrats" = "republican lite" in my world....
Why elect imitation republicans when we can have the real thing? :puke:
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:46 PM
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75. Clear something up
When was total pacifism included into the democratic party platform?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:47 PM
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76. You first: who is arguing "total pacifism"? Thanks.
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:50 PM
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78. From what i can tell
Kucinich, and anyone else who believes that pulling out of afghanistan in any way helps the security situation.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:55 PM
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79. There is no military "solution" in Afghanistan. And for that matter,
the greatest risk to our security is in PAKISTAN and we already know that.

You'd be surprised at how pragmatic us total pacifists can be. :)
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 03:03 PM
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82. Disconnecting pakistan and afghanistan
Is quite a leap. The military solution in afghanistan is re-securing the routes in and out of Kabul and then it turns into a policing mission, which is why the EU is sending a contingent of civilian security specialists. American troops can stop girls schools from being bombed, they aren't going to make karzai a better leader.

Military is only part of the solution, but to ignore that is to allow another manifestation of violence.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 03:07 PM
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83. No, it's not really a leap. The Taliban in Afghanistan couldn't exist
Edited on Fri Apr-03-09 03:08 PM by EFerrari
without the support of ISI.

And re-securing the routes in and out of Kabul gives you Kabul and nothing else. Not more security for Afghanistan, Pakistan or for us.

Escalating Afghanistan only means more violence and a longer road to a political solution. Oh, and a lot more dead people.

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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 04:31 PM
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91. Afghanistan is kabul
Kabul has no influence because its essentially cut off from the south and eastern parts of the country. The ability to secure transportation routes is key. The ISI is on thin ice and about to lose its free reign from the Pakistani military. Its being too bold in supporting attacks on india, which at this point would decimate pakistan in conflict. Once again, you cannot just focus on the ISI and ignore the radical elements already in place.

There are certain to be more dead bodies either way. It is my hope that it will be less afhani girls just trying to go to school and more saudi wahabbists whose only goal is instability.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 04:34 PM
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92. The whole point is, Afghanistan is most certainly not Kabul.
And, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the ISI is on thin ice.

You cannot improve the situation of women in Afghanistan by escalating a military action. Women and children always account for more casualties in these situations and it's just mendacity to pretend otherwise.
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:40 PM
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137. Certainly in some respects, yes
But as far as developing a political solution to either create the necessary institutions outside of kabul, or develop powering sharing agreements with the local tribal structure that actually present a sense of legitimacy, Kabul is the major player.

The ISI isn't on thin ice, but they are noticing how warm its starting to feel(sticking with the metaphor). Of the power structures in Pakistan, the ISI is the most likely scapegoat and the easiest to pressure.


You seem to making the case that women and children die in greater numbers (on a proportional basis) than men. I honestly don't buy that.
Some reading from the UN Human Rights Unit based in Afghanistan seems to point to me that the major problem facing children today is the lack of security at schools, something we can certainly help with.

http://www.unama-afg.org/docs/_UN-Docs/_human%20rights/2009/UNAMA_09february-Annual%20Report_PoC%202008_FINAL_11Feb09.pdf

feel free to disagree

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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 06:52 PM
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106. ROFL
Support waging war in Afghanistan, or else you are a pacifist?

It has been amazing to watching DU go from anti-war - when the Republicans were waging war - to pro-war now that the Democrats are.


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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:16 PM
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118. not everyone, obviously, but
you're right. Some people aren't questioning what's happening now.
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:28 PM
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132. I was in support of Afghanistan regardless of who was in charge
Also it might be a bit of a stretch to all DU pro-war or anti-war, there is a certain variety of views present here. Or there used to be, its an echo chamber now.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:49 AM
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139. that is fine
Be pro-war if you like.

Echo chamber? The community is deeply divided and passionate arguments are going on all over the board. I can't imagine anything farther from an echo chamber.



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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 08:43 PM
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115. straw man....
Edited on Fri Apr-03-09 08:44 PM by mike_c
I'm certainly not arguing for "total pacifism." I'm advocating the cessation of war crimes-- wars of aggression-- which I believe both the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to be. Being against war crimes is not the same as being an inflexible pacifist.
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:29 PM
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133. Make a point
for afghanistan being a war of aggression, other than that I agree with you.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:45 PM
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64. then nader was correct..
there really isn't any difference.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 03:49 PM
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86. While I did vote Nader, Chomsky summed it up best:
"If you're in a swing state vote for Obama, but do so w/o illusions."
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 04:53 PM
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96. i was in a safe state and voted for the guy..
guess i shouldn't have bought all that crap with CHANGE printed on it.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:02 PM
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107. Ha! Well, live & learn. Had it been close here I'd have voted Obama
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:08 PM
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68. It already passed
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:11 PM
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70. So...
Who are these "real democrats" that will vote for it? Are they the same "real democrats" that refused to allow debate of healthcare reform as a part of the budget?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:30 PM
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73. Freddie is proof that every party has toadies.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:29 PM
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72. Is that like the Repubs claiming they were the Real Americans?
You're just like them.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:43 AM
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53. He gives me real HOPE.
I am so proud I had the chance to vote for him in two Presidential primaries.

He's a Truth teller. Too bad much of the political world choses to shut him out. :(
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:50 AM
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55. K&R



Obama To Seek $537 Bln Defense Budget In FY10-Murtha -- Reuters

WASHINGTON, Feb 25 (Reuters) - President Barack Obama will sketch out a robust U.S. military budget for next year totaling $537 billion, a senior Democrat in the U.S. House of Representatives said on Wednesday.

Obama is scheduled to release on Thursday an outline of his budget proposal for fiscal 2010, which begins on Oct. 1.

Representative John Murtha, the Pennsylvania Democrat who oversees defense spending in the House, told Reuters that "$537 billion will be the base budget" for the Pentagon.

But he added that he was not sure whether the $537 billion would include any money the Pentagon is expected to need to pay for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan next year.

The Pentagon's base budget -- not counting most war funding -- totaled $515 billion for the current year.

Read more ....
http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2009/02/president-obamas-us-defense-budget-for.html





http://www.warresisters.org/federalpiechartdetails
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:46 PM
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65. chump change you can believe in
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:15 PM
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56. Kucinich speaks for me....
Recommended!
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:18 PM
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58. kick
at least someone in congress remembered there is an illegal and costly occupation going on
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:23 PM
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59. K&R. Of course. nt
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:25 PM
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60. We love Dennis in S.E. Ohio!
Progressive! For the citizen.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:50 PM
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61. Is this the most trusted man in America? He should be...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:30 PM
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63. This is Kucinich being Kucinich and the budget is Obama doing exactly what he said. Kucinich will
vote against the budget in opposition to Obama's Afghanistan policy, and in so doing will vote against every other progressive measure in the budget. This is nothing new: Kucinich voted against SCHIP last year saying “I cannot support legislation which extends health coverage to some children while openly denying it to other children," but then voted to override Bush's veto of it. Win-win.






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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:21 PM
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109. what I find most ironic
in this quote: "This budget is a statement of principles for the upcoming year, and I cannot accept it in its entirety. I will not vote for a budget that ties military spending to the operational funding of our government."

bush didn't tie war spending to the operational funding of our govt. it was kept off the books. should obama have hid the costs of war so that it's not linked to operational funding of our govt? hmmmmmm would DK have supported such a deceitful move by Obama?
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:50 PM
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66. I always have time to K&R DK.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:10 PM
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69. I am in Agreement with Dennis Kucinich
Edited on Fri Apr-03-09 02:11 PM by Grinchie
We have a countrywide epidemic of obesity, depression, stupidity and fear, yet we continue to be afraid of some shadowy figures that magically remain popular enough among the other worldly citizens to remain out of sight and invisible, free to plan "Possible" "What If" scenarios against the peopl eof the U.S.

As if the U.S. Government gives a damn about the individual Citizens. All they care about is Corporate interests abroad, feeding the Military-Industrial complax, and big oil. We are no better that Israel in using overwhelming force to inflict suffering and hardship from a distance, such as what has been done to Iraqi civilians, and the utter destruction of their country, along with the haphazard dumping of Depleted Uranium across nearly all parts of the country.

Dennis Kucinich is a brave man to stand up against these greedy, bought and paid for Politicians that promote the cancer of Corporation influence and military spending which is economically depleting, yet is market as being essential for the safety of the average Joe. This fallacy is meaningless when people suffer and die needlessly from Cancer, complications from prescription drugs, MRSA, or other totally preventable causes.

The cozy collusion of the Government and the Corporations that mutually serve each other needs to be broken up and abolished. However, they will not go quietly.

Obama has been coerced into walking the military line, because he knows that the Corporations that 80% of Americans depend on will shut off the spigot if Obama attempts to move towards a resource based economy, instead of a consumption based economy. The Corporations will not stand for it, and use economic might to trigger hardship and revolt.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:12 PM
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71. Thank you, Rep. Kucinich.
For always standing up for what you believe in. :bounce:
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:49 PM
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77. Yea lets compare it to vietname
Because thats in no way fearmongering, or attempting to tie a completely unrelated situation to a ghost of the past.

Obama ran on increased troops in afghanistan. NATO countries want more troops in afghanistan, hell just about everyone does. Nobody can afford another failed state in the middle east.
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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:57 PM
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80. damn straight, money for death, none for life is wrong
how about we start a health service instead of a killing service? Can anyone imagine a world where we export health and wellness? Imagine a kid saying "hey mom, I'm going into the Hospital service". Imagine a health care system where any human being could walk into the door and be healed. Talk about torture, being able to see it, but knowing it will never happen. Time to wake up from my dream now I guess.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:58 PM
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81. Kucinich has become the Wayne Morse of this bit of neo-colonialism.
And, like the early days of Vietnam, he is scorned by the hawks.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 03:18 PM
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84. Thanks everyone for the replies and the KNR's :))) n/t
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Duval Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 03:43 PM
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85. If only
our nation had been ready to elect him. So many took the survey and found their choice to be Kucinich, but our Corporate Media plus those already in Congress simply didn't have the courage to go against the "powers that be".
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 03:53 PM
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87. Thank you, Dennis. At least one Democrat still speaks the truth.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 03:54 PM
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88. Riiiiiiight. React rather than act.
:thumbsdown:
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 04:09 PM
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89. K&R
:kick:
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 04:11 PM
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90. Whatever
Give Kucinich a little pat on the head and then roll right over him--and the Republicans--and pass the budget.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 04:38 PM
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93. Rep. Kucinich is one of the reasons I still call myself a Democrat. Thank you, Dennis!!
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 04:52 PM
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95. I mean, really, what's more important
passing the budget or giving DK another chance to grandstand?

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:20 PM
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120. especially all that grandstanding against Bush & Cheney!
:sarcasm:
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Bushknew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 05:10 PM
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97. Kucinich democrat here, I "hoped" you could be president but this world
is truly backwards. In some alternative universe I'm sure you are.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #97
103. Yes, that's what I am ....
a Kucinich Democrat.

Thanks for the term, Bushknew.

That's our Dennis K.! I'm so proud of him!

:patriot:
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Brucie Kibbutz Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 05:21 PM
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98. K&R
Great post, SSA.:patriot:

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 05:32 PM
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100. this is how a real Democrat behaves
yes indeed
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:54 PM
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111. No, it's how a real lunatic behaves
Real Democrats stand with our Democratic President.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:06 PM
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116. um
I am not a goosestepper
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:17 PM
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126. you're either with or against us..
fuck me.
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:34 PM
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135. ...
:eyes:
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 05:35 PM
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101. If only all in government voted their conscience...oh wait...
:evilfrown:
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 05:52 PM
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102. I would love to end this war and bring home the troops. Let's
not further a budget that allows this horrific war to continue.
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NikolaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 06:15 PM
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104. Good As Always
It's a real shame that more have either not heard of Dennis, or do not take him seriously. He is right about so many issues and it is frustrating that there are not many more like him in office.
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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:35 PM
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110. K's wrong on this one. Afghanistan is a UN & NATO program. The world recognizes
the need for something to be done about Afghanistan.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:57 PM
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112. I thought that I might respond to some posts but...
that is just not going to happen.

So.... thanks again :)

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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 08:00 PM
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113. House Members to Obama: Rethink Afghanistan Surge
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8317320&mesg_id=8317320

"...Dear Mr. President:

We have noted with some concern your announcement that an additional 17,000 US troops would be sent to Afghanistan. As the goals of our seven year military involvement remain troublingly unclear, we urge you to reconsider such a military escalation.

If the intent is to leave behind a stable Afghanistan capable of governing itself, this military escalation may well be counterproductive. A recent study by the Carnegie Endowment has concluded that "the only meaningful way to halt the insurgency's momentum is to start withdrawing troops. The presence of foreign troops is the most important element driving the resurgence of the Taliban."

....."

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/423677/house_members_to_obama_rethink_afghanistan_surge


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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:11 PM
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117. Kucinich is big on lofty words and gestures.
And not much else.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:23 PM
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121. "I'd rather it was kept off the books like Bush did, then I'd vote for it."
I'm not sure what voting down one of the most progressive spending budgets of my lifetime, all because the President had the balls to actually include the costs of our operations abroad in the budget - rather than hiding the cost like the last administration chose to do - is a good thing.

It seems to me that Dennis and the rest of us can be just as vocal and outspoken about our concerns or outright opposition to the administrations long term plans in Afghanistan and Pakistan without opting to TANK one of the best budgets we've ever seen!
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:17 PM
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125. that's a good point
DK is throwing out the baby with the bathwater with this vote.
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:28 PM
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122. Recently moved out of his District....but he will always be....
"my" Congressman.
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:29 PM
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123. thank you, Dennis
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 09:55 PM
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124. I'm not sure about his possition on Afghanistan but I've agreed with every else Kucinich has said in
past 6 years.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:19 PM
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127. Once again we see a man of principle....
As usual, its Dennis Kucinich that has the balls, the guts, the moxie, the brains and the moral authority to speak out against these endless wars.
If only we had paid more attention to Dennis Kucinich, we would not be in the mess we are now in..nor would we be headed into yet more wars.
I thought Obama was listening to us...we want our troops HOME NOW!!
This is not change, this is more of the same Neocon/New World order/nation building crap that got us into this mess.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:26 PM
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128. Imagine a Democrat actually taking a principled stand.
As opposed to the warmongers in charge.

Gee, now that they are in charge this war is okay?
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marauding liberal Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 10:45 PM
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129. Love ya, Dennis.
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SwiperFox Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:04 PM
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130. ...
Amazing! The goosestepping around here is unbelievable! So when the repubs do it is a no-no but when dems warmonger then it's cheering time? I definitely am a Kucinicrat. Man, he should make his own party. His ideas are rightfully at odds with the rest of the republicrat party.

I am a Kucinicrat and proud of it!
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:33 PM
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134. This is the man I voted for in the Primaries.
Way to go Dennis! Thank you for being a REAL Democrat!
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:37 PM
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136. k+r, n/t
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the blues Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:52 PM
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138. Peace, brothers and sisters
:hippie:
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