Video of girl's flogging as Taliban hand out justice

[TheCoxwain]

Source: Guardian

A video showing a teenage girl being flogged by Taliban fighters has emerged from the Swat Valley in Pakistan, offering a shocking glimpse of militant brutality in the once-peaceful district, and a sign of Taliban influence spreading deeper into the country.

The two-minute video, shot using a mobile phone, shows a burka-clad woman face down on the ground. Two men hold her arms and feet while a third, a black-turbaned fighter with a flowing beard, whips her repeatedly.

"Please stop it," she begs, alternately whimpering or screaming in pain with each blow to the backside. "Either kill me or stop it now."

A crowd of men stands by, watching silently. Off camera a voice issues instructions. "Hold her legs tightly," he says as she squirms and yelps.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/02/taliban-pakistan-justice-women-flogging

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I cant imagine an 'ally' of ours would allow beasts like these to operate freely on their territory...


what the fuck is wrong with these people? .. why are we tolerating this shit? ... They are dangerously close to getting their hands on a Nuke....

[MrPerson]

1. Catholic Schools - 40 years ago.

[Psephos]

10. I was a student at a Catholic school forty years ago and I got caring teachers and great education

Haven't seen the inside of a church in many a year but I won't ever forget the dedication and ability of my underpaid teachers.

[Echo In Light]

49. Basically agree, although it opened my eyes to hypocrisy in power structures!

[JI7]

17. nobody is defending the Catholic Church the way people do Taliban

[aquart]

24. People defend the Taliban? WHO?

[marshall]

45. Equating flogging to the nuns hitting somebody's knuckles with a ruler is a tacit defense

I don't understand the argument that this type of institutionalized violence is equivalent to current Christian problems. Yes there are definitely issues of discrimination and ill treatment within current Christian practice, but I don't get somebody who won't admit that we have progressed greatly since medieval times.

[No Elephants]

33. Posts 1 and 17 have a lot in common.

[snake in the grass]

19. It doesn't have to be 40 years ago.

One of my best friends graduated from a catholic school 15 years ago. The nuns thrashed his left hand every time he attempted to use it. Can you imagine that in this day and age; left hand is satanic? If a nun did that to my kid, she'd get a thrashing, that's for sure, but, then again, I would never send my kid to a parochial school.

[EFerrari]

25. Not mine!

[acmavm]

30. Well, it's 4:20 a.m. and you just set the day's record for ignorant asswipe

post of the day.

[No Elephants]

32. I don't thin a lot of American Catholic school kids seriously begged for death.

[leftynyc]

38. You were actually held down

by your arms and legs and beaten by a nun?

[TwilightGardener]

48. Bullshit. I attended Catholic schools. What absurdity--and just another excuse for

Catholic bashing, which is always in vogue on DU.

[Sultana]

54. Christian bashing is a norm

Some individual always find ways to drag Christianity into topics that have nothing to do with it

PATHETIC!

:eyes:

[rvablue]

70. Yes. It is mind boggling trying to figure out why a video of Taliban beating a girl

quickly turned into a Catholic bashing thread.

Makes no sense whatsoever....but either do blind haters.

[LostinVA]

75. You should use your fantasy daydreams to write fiction

RC schools did NOT flog students in the late 60's.

[medeak]

2. they WANT people to see this

we should proliferate it? And why is a 17 yr old married anyway.
edited to say... why the hell don't these women become terroists and blow the asses up or cut their penises off?

[TheCoxwain]

5. I did not see more 2 sec of the Video...

The fact that it continues to shock me is reason enough for me rant about these Motherfuckers

How dare they ???


what if this was your friend?

[medeak]

6. read my edit

women should blow up their assholes!

[truebrit71]

3. So glad our "ally" Pakistan let these neanderthal's take over the Swat valley...

:sarcasm:

Can't wait 'til they take over the Islamabad and get their hands on the nukes....Any bets on when India gets involved?

Never mind President Obama's Afghan policy, we need to get something figured out about Pakistan and fast...

[Psephos]

11. You fundamentally don't understand how things work in the Swat Valley

Pakistan has no jurisdiction there.

[truebrit71]

43. Not anymore they don't..they ceded authority to the Taliban...

...they would be the fundamentals..:eyes:

[Tangerine LaBamba]

4. Didn't you see the article about the impending executions?

In Iraq, in the near future, there will be mass executions of homosexuals.

Nice, huh?

This is a place to which we brought democracy.

Fuckers. They should all rot ...................

[cliffordu]

8. Yes they fucking should.

[No Elephants]

34. NO! Bush found a secular state in Iraq and allowed Sharia law to become part of the Iraqi

Consititution. Nothing about Sharia law is democratic. Our troops, male and female have been fighting, getting wounded and dying there so for Sharia law, not for democracy.

Please don't ever say again that we brought democracy to Iraq.

And before any of our RW posters posts that Iraq is a sovereign nation:

1/ LOL

and

2/ How quickly we forget: When Bush allowed incorporation by reference of all of Sharia law into the Iraqi Constitution, we were the Iraq power structure and we were very much involved in drafting the Iraqi Constitution.

[cliffordu]

7. My stepfather, a fine upstanding christian working man

beat me with a 3 foot switch made of a willow branch.

He'd make me select the branch. He stopped this when I turned 14 and he couldn't make me cry anymore.

This kind of abuse is common just about everywhere, actually.

But the Taliban, like my late moldy stepfather......need to be dead.

[No Elephants]

35. Did you seriously beg your stepfather for immediate death? My father beat me too; and I was

scared to death of him, but I was never beaten to the point that I seriously begged to die.

Maybe all beatings are not equal.

[cliffordu]

56. Nope. I begged god to kill HIM. God eventually agreed.

The fucker was really enthusiastic about it.

[SHRED]

9. And President Hamid Karzai approves:

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[ShortnFiery]

12. Yes, we should definitely intervene because the blessed installed puppet, Hamid Karzai is now ...

instilling Sharia Law. We all know that will make it much better for the women in Afghanistan. :sarcasm:

I believe that The Women would rather fight their own battles rather than have "The Empire" keep an figurehead while KILLING their brothers, husbands and children.

Pakistan? It's a SOVEREIGN country. How about we make like sheepherders and get the flock out of the Middle East. We all know the RSVP should something, God Forbid. happens? The Pakistanis and Afghanis are NOT STUPID. Let them rule their own SOVEREIGN COUNTRIES?

[cali]

27. waltzing with the strawman again. you seem to swoon over him

NO ONE. NOT ONE PERSON on this thread has suggested that the U.S. should stay in Afghanistan or intervene in the Swat Valley. That's you being disingenuous and trying your fucking hardest to twist the conversation and shut it down. How about we can discuss the Taliban and condemn them without wanting to stay in Afghanistan or intervene in Pakistan? Stop the bullshit that everyone here who condemns the Taliban supports U.S. action. Most do not. And you know it.

[ShortnFiery]

31. Never Mind = It's just not worth it.

Whatever Cali. :eyes:

[thunder rising]

13. GET THIS: Their society is 1k's of years older than ours ... we cannot preach behavior ... that's

how we got into this mess. Want to do something about it ... go volunteer to teach "out there".

[cali]

29. how about discussing this is not dictating anything to anyone? Duh.

And the age of the culture as nothing to do with anything. Furthermore, the Taliban is a creation of the 20th century.

[Lorien]

57. "We cannot preach behavior" who is "we" white man?

every human being has a right to aid those who cannot help themselves. I would say "responsibility", but this is America where we don't give a flying fuck about much of anyone outside our borders, let alone anyone here at home who is not among the wealthiest 1%.

[PM Martin]

14. "Sharia Law" is the "bible" of the Devil!

:puke: :argh: :mad:

[GuyJello]

15. Savages

There should be a way to stop this. What's the UN doing? Sitting on their asses?

[leftynyc]

39. The UN is busy passing

resolutions like this:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/damian_thompson/blog/2007/12/31/dont_criticise_islam_says_un

[tomreedtoon]

16. You can't do anything. It's "religion."

And you have to respect anything any "religion" does.

This is the horrible dilemma we have by being involved in any way with the Middle East. We can't go to war with them. But we can't let them abuse women (and a lot of other people whose "crimes" we might argue about). I've always believed that we should use whatever means we can to stop using oil for energy - even nuke power, folks - so that we can embargo the Middle East and never involve ourselves with them again.

[ShortnFiery]

23. You want to talk about abusing women and their citizens in general? Check out China?

Forced abortions and political prisoner's held without trial? Yet they have "most favored nation" status with us.

Can we say "hypocrisy?"

[northernlights]

66. as much as I hate in principle the idea of forced abortions

China has a serious, serious problem with overpopulation. Personally, I prefer limiting couples to one child over letting them continue to breed and having millions more children die slow agonizing deaths by starvation.

The problem they face is an ancient culture that values having many sons and a limited amount of space. I also prefer forced abortions to what they do to unwanted girl babies.

In any event, the earth simply cannot support unlimited breeding of humans.

[Mr. Hyde]

18. we ned to send our Sec. of state over there to show the women of Afghanistan what is possible

in a democracy. We can undermine these assholes by exploiting their women and the resentment they surely feel within this society.

[Prometheus Bound]

20. But this was in Pakistan, not Afghanistan.

[jcripes]

21. Are we watching the same video?

or have you watched the same war over the last seven years?

Let me get this straight...we should mount up and ride over to Pakistan, the same south asia where we bomb weddings, and have murdered millions (in iraq and Afghanistan), tortured untold thousands in heinous black prisons, while our government murders our own citizens in the streets with tasers and guns, while sheriffs rape female inmates (Oklahoma city--google it) and judges sell teenagers to private prisons (pennsylvania)...because...it's a moral/humanitarian issue? Because muslims are likely to welcome us as liberators with flowers and tea?

As I recall, the US government spent billions backing those same "fundamentalists" and didn't give a shit who they flogged as long as they did our dirty work against the soviets.

All because of a cell phone video that shows a spanking? I don't agree with it either, but...

Are you out of your minds?

[Liberal_in_LA]

36. The rapist Oklahoma sheriff just got 79 years in jail. The girl in the video has NO hope of justice

http://www.contracostatimes.com/nationandworld/ci_11989275?nclick_check=1

[leftynyc]

40. A spanking??

That woman is begging for them to kill her already. And I don't understand why we cannot draw attention to this madness just because George Bush was an asshole.

[NeedleCast]

58. A spanking? That's what you saw?

[LostinVA]

76. She was viciously flogged for basically being female, a form of TORTURE

Which is against the law in any nation that doesn't have a hard-on for literally Medieval punishment.

And, I'm not advocating for anything. I'm just disgusted with your use of "spanking."

[ShortnFiery]

22. The Women of Afghanistan want nothing more to do with our Empire and meddling ways

in areas of the world that we have no business sticking our money-grubbing, homicide bombing fingers in. :(

[dcindian]

26. Don't we put children to death

Torture and hold them with out trial? Who will stop us also.

[tomm2thumbs]

28. this is why Gitmo activities end up hurting the U.S. - how can we judge when we operate similarly

Bush/Cheney have done more to undo what they say are their 'values' than their beanie little brains can comprehend. Cheney's own daughter would be put to death in his 'beloved' Iraq right now, does he not realize that? He's a complete and utter waste of earth's oxygen.

[datasuspect]

37. if she was in malaysia, they would have done it bareassed with a bamboo cane

ouch!

[TheCoxwain]

41. That is BS .. I have friends from Malaysia ...They are the uber cool .. I cant imagine

women being so open/cool in a closed society that will get them caned for being seen with a man who is not your husband.

[datasuspect]

42. i know not of the argument you are trying to start,

but caning is used as punishment there, and the way they do it, rips your asscheeks to shreds.

[LeftinOH]

44. F#ck cultural relativity! We aren't like this. Their fundies ARE worse than our fundies.

[TheCoxwain]

46. One Look at Taliban ..and We LOVE our FUNDIES

:loveya: :pals: :grouphug: :hug:




Just kidding ...... But seriously dude .. imagine if our fundies got everything they wanted - I am sure you will be lot less complimentary of them.

However what you say is true ... Taliban is a LOT LOT Worse ..... They are Psychos ....ours are just maniacs.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

47. Since Obama announced plans to escalate Afghanistan a flurry of stories like this have been

coming out. I hate how women are treated in Afghanistan but I don't think we should be there, period. This seems to me like a campaign to get Americans behind the escalation. Remember the incubator story of the Gulf War?

[Echo In Light]

50. Thank you. The obvious needed to be pointed out

[leftynyc]

53. Meanwhile there is videotape of this poor

girl. Perhaps the answer is to just arm all the women in these countries. The ones who want to stay like slaves can do so and the ones who don't can at least defend themselves from these cretin mullahs.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

60. As I said I hate this. There are women being tortured and killed all over the world.

Do you want to send our military to every single place where this happens?

[leftynyc]

61. Yes - I would

Is is feasible - no, of course not.

[RubyDuby in GA]

51. It seems to me that the womenfolk of this region need to learn the fine art of

killing these despicable assholes and making it look like accidents. Poisoning can look a lot like dying in your sleep dearies. I'm just sayin'...

[Sultana]

52. Wonderful culture, aren't the Taliban great?

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[NeedleCast]

55. Watching that Video makes me want to re-enlist

So I can go shoot more Taliban.

The fact that no one steps out of the crowd to stop this madness...I don't have words to describe the anger.

[Echo In Light]

59. Remember Kitty Genovese?

[Odin2005]

62. The Taliban are a bunch of sick, evil, monsters.

The Taliban is the best example out there regarding the inherent evil of religion.

[jcripes]

63. Invade

every country where women are mistreated.

What if men are mistreated? Does that count?

What if chicago cops brutally beat a female bartender for refusing the drunken cop another drink?
The only reason that is even under investigation is the video tape. Otherwise, cops routinely do this kind of crap with impunity.

Should the canadians invade us?

Do you really think American troops stomping around muslim countries, breaking down doors and, oh yeah, sometimes raping their women, will improve the treatment of women?

Are you insane?

Even the soviets didn't smash down the doors of swat valley tribespeople, the worst thing in their culture. That's SOP with american troops.

[Odin2005]

64. The religious crazies are the insane ones. n/t

[TWiley]

65. How is this any different than American Christians? Most of them beat their kids too

Except, the Americans strip the girls naked before they beat them.

[sufrommich]

67. Responses like this are ignorant beyond belief.

Why don't you show us some proof that American women are facing the same widespread hideous treatment that these women are facing on a daily basis with tacit approval from their government.

[cali]

69. This isn't ignorance

so much as it is hate of all things American and any part of Western Culture. Of course, there's inherent stupidity in that kind of hate.

[TWiley]

71. Godly tips on how to punish your christian child ...... Landover Baptist Church

There are literally thousands of documents on the web that relate Christianity to child abuse / spanking. I am sorry that you did not know about this aspect of your faith. As to the argument, I simply asked, "how is this different than what the christians do?" Fundamentalist Christians are extremely likely to beat their children. Except most do it while the child is naked.

Want a link? Here, have one then. If you want 10,000 more just like it, just google.

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0303/spanking.html

[sufrommich]

73. landoverbaptist.org is a satire site. nt

[LostinVA]

77. You can't be derious -- Landover is a well-known and long-time satire site

:wtf:

Do you quote the Onion, too?

:rofl:

[cali]

68. bwahahaha. yeah, Xians here beat girls for stepping out of the house

without their fathers or husbands on a regular basis. There are all kinds of laws in this country that subject women to this kind of heinous treatment.

Dog, I hate the flavor of stupidity extant in your post.

[TWiley]

72. Hi cali, in case you missed it .....

There are literally thousands of documents on the web that relate Christianity to child abuse / spanking. I am sorry that you did not know about this aspect of your faith. As to the argument, I simply asked, "how is this different than what the christians do?" Fundamentalist Christians are extremely likely to beat their children. Except most do it while the child is naked.

Want a link? Here, have one then. If you want 10,000 more just like it, just google.

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0303/spanking.html

[cali]

78. bwahahaha. And you have the nerve to claim on your thread about LBC

that you knew it was satire? So pathetic there aren't words for it.

[LostinVA]

79. LANDOVER IS A SPOOF/SATIRE SITE

:rofl:

[BlooInBloo]

74. God damn fucking religion.