So Obama's giant budget is passed overwhelmingly by Dems and not so much by repubs .........

[Stinky The Clown]

...... which gives me great hope.

The Clinton boom started with a party line passage of a budget derided by the repubicans. Look where that got us.

Yes, that was 1992 and this is 2009. We were a far more equanimous nation then. There was little in the way of nasty business afoot. Briefs or Boxers.

I'm banking on the predictive nature of repubican posturing. I'm also banking on our being so far down that we have much gain to be made on our way back to the top.

Clinton's budget, said the then motherfuckers, will kill this country. It didn't.

Obama's budget, say the now motherfuckers (who include in their ranks, some of the then motherfuckers), will kill this country.

I am now more convinced than ever that it is the right thing for this time.




Keep it up, you repubic asswipes. Keep it up.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

1. A question -

How did Lieberman vote, and did any Democrats vote against it? Got a link?

I'm starting to take names ...............

[Stinky The Clown]

2. I read about it in the Daily Fishwrap (link here). Only two DemSens opposed, Bayh and one of the ...

Nelsons (Ben, I think).

Here's the Daily Fishwrap link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/02/AR2009040203473.html

Not sure what Whiney Joe did, but I'm gunna guess, after his performing fellatio to get his committee chairmanship back, he was with the majority.

But that's just a guess.

Heeza putz.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

3. I read at CSM's site that

twenty Democrats voted against it in the House. I need to know if Jim Moran was one of them, and I also want to know if my new Senator, Mark Warner, who was curling up with that fucking Evan Bayh, voted against it. Because, truly, I am taking names.

Love that new picture in the sig line, by the way.

Thanks muchly...........

:toast:

[Stinky The Clown]

5. The new pitcher is the old pitcher.

I are again the clown I wunce wuz.

Warner was with the majority.

Not sure about Moran, but I'd bet you a pizza at 2Amys he was with the majority, too. He's too smart to fuck with his constituents.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

9. Awww.........

Well, the clown is eternal, so . . . . . . . .

Good. I sent Warner - a neighbor of ours - several vehement emails. He didn't answer. I figured he'd be hearing from his constituents here in The People's Republic of Alexandria.

Ever since Moran voted in favor of Clinton's impeachment - Jim Moran, the serial adulterer - I have not entirely trusted him to do the right thing. And, what a stake you put out there, you evil, evil man.........................

[NeedleCast]

13. Waves from the Democratic Republic of Falls Church

Glad to see Warner's vote on this.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

15. Hiya, neighbor -

I was just there the other day, hitting up the Penzey's store on Broad Street.

Warner had me worried. But, yeah, he did all right...........

:hi:

[Stinky The Clown]

16. Holy shit ......

..... I just googled "jim moran obama budget vote" ...... and the fifth hit on google is ........





....... ready?











...... be sure you're ready ........












...... it is THIS THREAD!









Oy ....... :eyes:


Hey GoogleGuy .... get a job, willya.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

19. We are nothing

is we are not Cutting Edge.

Ah, the sweet smell of our rarified air.

Or did I forget to turn the heat off under that frying pan?

So, how did Moran vote?

[Stinky The Clown]

20. Dunno ..... is this it? If it is, he voted "yes"

VIRGINIA

Democrats — Boucher, Y; Connolly, Y; Moran, Y; Nye, N; Perriello, N; Scott, Y.

Republicans — Cantor, N; Forbes, N; Goodlatte, N; Wittman, N; Wolf, N.

Posted 8:20 pm yesterday: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090403/ap_on_go_co/house_rollcall_budget






Order the rabbit appetizer. To die for.
http://www.2amyspizza.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=menu.pizza

[Tangerine LaBamba]

21. Yep, that's a yes ...........

I can't eat rabbit. Long story - childhood pet - tragic ending.

But, yeah, their pizzas are quite wonderful. I'm telling you, though, my little neighborhood trattoria, Edgardo's, makes an equally good, perhaps even better, pizza. It's hidden away in an obscure strip mall, though - I'm convinced it's some dentist's tax write-off.

Hey, thanks for getting that vote information. That was really nice of you ..........................

[Spider Jerusalem]

4. 'Clinton boom'? Not so much.

Expansion and growth of new industries and market sectors with the growth of new technology? Yes, but you can't give Clinton credit for that, it would have happened anyway. Clinton was an economic neoliberal who didn't do a lot to deviate from the Reaganite status quo, and the economic 'boom' of the 1990's was largely illusory, anyway (the words 'bubble market' mean anything?).

[Stinky The Clown]

6. They both mean something ("bubble" and "market")

In the long lens of history, Clinton will be seen to have had a boom.

Reagan will be seen as a boom-haver, too.

Both Bush and bush will be seen as farts.

At best.

I'm hopeful for the next 8 years.

[Political Heretic]

8. That is because history, for the most part, is written by the privileged

..and told by the "winners."

The ordinary worker was not that, and rarely gets their history told.

** Lest anyone freak out -- there were good things that happened in the Clinton years too, many things that were infinitely better than Bush of course. One thing Clinton did was create a large number of jobs. People were still having trouble being "underemployed" to a degree, and wages for those jobs were not able to keep up with productivity - but job creation is still not "nothing."

[Political Heretic]

7. Um, the Clinton "boom" was a period when wages for the average family stagnated or DECLINED.

It was a big, ruckous ride for Wall Street however, which of course the Media referred to the period as a big "Boom" and happy days for all. "All" meaning, everyone important.... meaning "not you."

[Stinky The Clown]

10. I'm not a marketeer, but the Clinton years were very good for me and for everyone I know.

[Political Heretic]

11. Boy that's some sound evidence right there.

You and all your white, middle class friends, right?

The Clinton years were "good" for me too. Meaning I had a job, and made enough money to pay my bills. However historically, my wages has stopped the upward trend that should follow with economic growth. I fit into that category of "stagnation."

Wage declines, that was what the working poor got to enjoy. I was not working poor, so my privilege let me enjoy better times.

[Stinky The Clown]

14. I'm not going to argue, but that slap in the face with an overly board brush kinda seemed a bit much

I routinely hob nob with people at the top and at the bottom. In this part of the world, the hobs and nobs both did well, with some, for sure, doing more well than others. I won't argue for a moment that everyone did equally well, whether that separation be geographic, market segment, or economic.

No, the Clinton years were hardly Utopian socialism or egalitaria personified ..... but, on balance, they were good years.

[Political Heretic]

17. Statistically, they weren't good years from the median income level downward.

I mean you can keep "saying" they were good years I guess. But you can walk yourself right on over to the Economic Policy Institute and pull numbers yourself.

Average real wages for middle-class stagnated and real wages for the working class declined on average during the 90s.

I would argue that the Clinton years were "better" years than we've seen since for different reasons other than economic conditions for majority of working Americans. Main thing is, because our economy was experiencing growth (productivity was going up) and we were responsible with our budgets, we were able to pay down debt and hand the next administration a huge surplus.

That is very cool. We weren't involved in mass wars, and were generally respected by our international allies - also cool.

[Spider Jerusalem]

12. Not quite a representative sample, that

any idea how many jobs went in the Southern textile industry, during Clinton's term in office, just to name one example? (The answer is: millions, and the part-time and/or low-skilled service-sector jobs that largely replaced them...that 'job creation' of the Clinton years...not really equivalent.)

[scarletwoman]

18. "Clinton boom" Are you forgetting that the Dems lost Congress in 1994 and didn't get it back

until 2006?

I don't have such a rosy view of the Clinton years. I'd very much prefer that the Obama years DON'T follow the same trajectory.

sw