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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:49 PM
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Who Cares About Larry Summers' Income?
http://business.theatlantic.com/2009/04/who_cares_about_larry_summers_income.php

Who Cares About Larry Summers' Income?
Conor Clarke


Larry Summers spent the past couple of years making a lot of money. His financial disclosure form, released yesterday afternoon, shows he received $5.2 million in compensation from the hedge fund D.E. Shaw. His standard speaking fee seems to have been $60,000. He earned that, give or take (mostly give), for speaking before Citigroup, JP Morgan, Skagen, Goldman, Lehman Brothers and American Express. Another $60,000 from Brookings. Another $34,000 for his column in the Financial Times. It adds up.

The full disclosure makes for juicy reading -- reading about other people's money always does -- and I've stuck the PDF at the end of this post. But, try though I might, I can't share much enthusiasm for the belief, now gospel on the left and implicit in the news reports, that Summers' past income constitutes a problem for policymaking in the present. This sort of financial disclosure story is a wonderful occasion to trot out well-work chestnuts about "conflict of interest" and the "appearance of impropriety." But reading about an appearance of impropriety is like eating an appetizer for dinner: not altogether satisfying. What's the actual impropriety? Here are five reasons to doubt that there is one.

1. The stories about Summers don't make much of an effort to distinguish between cause and effect. The assumption in news reports is that earning an income from a particular industry would cause Summers to change his views in favor of the industry. But it seems perfectly reasonable to flip this on its head: Summers sympathetic views on an industry might give that industry a reason to seek him out. He's a well-informed guy. Why shouldn't they want his opinion?

(To some extent this is testable: Did Summers have a public position on hedge fund regulation that changed appreciably after he began working for a hedge fund? I haven't seen a great deal of effort to find out.)

2. There's a chronology problem. Which do you think would have a greater impact on your decisions in the present: past payment, or the possiblity of future payment? It seems obvious to me that the latter would. But Larry Summers has made enough money to beg off speaking fees and languish with a public servant's salary for the rest of his life. (And for centuries this would have been seen as something that recommended Summers for the job. Financial independence -- detachment from all those crass material concerns -- was more or less an 18th-century prerequisite for public service.)

3. Stories about a conflict of interest or the appearance of impropriety always assume that closeness is a liability, not an asset. But it can be both, and Larry Summers can contain multitudes. Sure, extreme closeness can warp perspective. But closeness can also mean you have insight into a particular industry that others don't.

4. Stories about appearances and competing interests, like so much else in American public life, elevate the process of politics over the substance of policy. Questions like "how did Larry Summers develop his view on hedge fund regulation?" are interesting, up to a point. But they are nowhere near as important as questions like "Is Larry Summers' position on hedge funds a good one or a bad one?" Trying to suss out whether Summers' position gestated under ethically troubling circumstances is a clever way of undermining the position without actually engaging it on the merits. Journalists should spend more time engaging things on the merits.

5. Finally, stories about apparent conflicts of interest can come back to bite you in the ass. To take an example close to home: I read about Larry Summers' financial disclosure on the Washington Post website, where it sat next to ads from Visa and the luxury homebuilder Miller & Smith. There is apparently a financial relationship between the Washington Post, the credit card industry, and luxury homebuilders. Yes, I know there is a wall between editorial and business decisions in the newspaper industry. But any halfway smart reporter or editor would realize that Visa will be more likely to advertise in the Post if the paper doesn't trash the company.

Do I think reporters at the Post or the Journal (or the Atlantic!) are reluctant to trash big banks because that would make banks less likely to advertise? Of course not. But I don't know why the "conflict of interest" is worse for Summers than it is for any publication that earns advertising revenue.

Anyway. The disclosure is below. (And you can be reluctant to take any of this from me because I have an apparent conflict of interest! Page four of the disclosure lists Larry's compensation for a book that I helped edit.)

disclosure-LSummers04032009.pdf
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:52 PM
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1. Yeah, it's not like we have homeless combat military veterans living on the street? Let the rich
be FILTHY rich. :puke:
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:53 PM
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2. Great Points!
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 01:54 PM by MannyGoldstein
His gifting yet more billions to bankers, under "heads bankers win, tails taxpayers lose" rules, isn't necessarily tied to the millions that Summers, Emanuel, and company were paid by the same bankers for doing almost nothing.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:54 PM
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3. I do....I don't think he should be making a penny!
He got paid to fuck everything up and now he's getting paid to fix his mess?!
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:55 PM
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4. Bwahahahahaha!
Oh man.

That was pathetic.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:57 PM
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5. Summers, Phil Gramm and the law NOT to regulate derivatives
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 01:58 PM by slipslidingaway
This is important as well, Bill Black mentioned this last night in his interview with Moyers.


http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2008/11/obama-taps-larry-summers-recalling-summers-days-regulation-foe

Summers 1998 Senate appearance...

"We understood the seriousness of making this proposal. To question an independent agency's concept of its jurisdiction and then to propose legislation that would temporarily curtail that agency's ability to act is not something we do lightly. We concluded, however, that such legislation was necessary to avoid disruption and dislocation in the market while the underlying issues were being considered by Congress.


Congress in late 2000 did end up implementing the Summers approach, when Senator Phil Gramm, then the head of the Senate banking committee, used a back-room maneuver to slip into a must-pass spending bill a measure that prevented the CFTC or the SEC from regulating derivatives..."



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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 03:17 PM
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11. If we're gonna bring back Clinton folks how bout bringing back those who DISAGREED
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 03:19 PM by blm
with Summers and Rubin and submitted warnings and their own more progressive policies be implemented at the time? Surely there must have been some progressive Democratic voices dissenting in those meetings at Treasury during the 90s, eh?

Why bring back the Bush-Clinton-Bush ARCHITECTS of the crony capitalism and rampant deregulation schemes of the last three decades?
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 03:43 PM
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12. Yes....Inquiring minds want to know n/t

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:19 PM
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6. How about this - Summers got paid to construct the crisis we're in. That isn't disqualifying?
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 02:20 PM by leveymg
Same thing with Bernanke and Geithner.

Push the handle and flush. Check for residue. Flush again.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:33 PM
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7. So the writer of this piece discloses they helped edit a book of Summers and
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 02:34 PM by KoKo
this doesn't look like PR for someone who got compensation for helping Summers explain why Summers compensations shouldn't be a problem? :eyes:

I think Conor Clarke should have recused her/himself from apologizing for Summers when there's ample reporting on Summers earlier participation in what caused this "financial crisis," in the first place. It was his policies and the folks he hung around with's policies that make him extremely hard to trust to clean up the mess.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:50 PM
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8. Let's say Bush was still president, with everything else being the same as it is now
Who WOULDN'T have a problem with Summers' income then?
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 03:14 PM
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10. Exactly. Guillotine! nt
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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 03:54 PM
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14. I am fairly certain the OP would have had a problem with that under Bush
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 03:57 PM by Reterr
I have been reading her posts here for years and I would have been shocked to see her posting in support of this then :shrug:?

I have problems with these things whether they are taking place under Bush or Obama. It does NOT mean I am saying Bush=Obama (preempting before someone says it), but I have a problem with this sort of sleaziness whether it is one of Obama's aides or Bush's.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 03:07 PM
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9. Of course it's a problem. $5.2 million from a hedge fund in the last 2 years?
I just do not want people who have totally enriched themselves in this giant fraud to be in charge of the country's economy, no matter how smart they are. I would settle for the smartest economist out of those that didn't enrich themselves in mysterious ways. This is why we can't get to the bottom of the fraud - everyone in charge (Geitner, Summers, Paulson) is in the pocket of the fraud industry. These guys won't go after those who made them rich. And they see the world only through the eyes of their hedge fund buddies, they can't conceive of doing things for the national good separate from doing things for Wall Street.
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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 03:50 PM
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13. Yeah really
Why would we care that the guys managing the bailout have ties to the banks? Yeah we are that stupid....

This is such bullshit :eyes:.
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