We Don't Live In YOUR Country

[JFN1]

Let me go slowly for you, and use lots of small words - I want to make sure you understand.

WE - the People - do not live in YOUR country.

YOU live in OURS.

See, America is a Constitutional Representative Democracy. A democracy operates under the principle of "majority rule." That means, the majority define what the country is - not the minority.

Thus, as you rave about taking YOUR country back from the rest of us, you are not making any sense - which is not unusual for you, I suppose.

You talk about arming yourself. You speak blithely of violent upheaval.

What? Do we have to kick your asses every 150 years or so? Last time you numbskulls talked this way, you tried to secede, and got your asses kicked, to paraphrase Peter Griffin, back across the Donna Dixon line.

See, this thing was decided long ago. WE WON. YOU LOST. Kind of like today.

So stop blathering on about how this is YOUR country. YOU only represent about 25% of the population, while the rest of us, are, well, the rest of us.

You feel things are unfair, because for eight years, and through three elections, you held the reigns of power in America.

And how did you acquire power? By cheating, of course. The Supreme Court violated the Constitution so your guy George, could seize power. Then you cheated and stole to win mid-terms in 2002. Then you outright stole the election in 2004 (see Ohio and Deibold).

Stealing a thing, does not entitle you to it for life. And yes, we understand your disappointment. We know how to empathize with people - even people as vile and hate-filled as you.

So go ahead. Rant. Rave. Threaten.

You perceive our kindness, willingness, and generosity, to be weakness.

You've made that mistake before, and got your asses kicked for it.

See, the really weak ones are those who cannot GIVE to another, who would rather dominate, walk upon the backs of the innocent and helpless, and hate, hate, hate.

It takes much more strength to love, to give, to help the fallen up. It takes a strength you envy and seek, but fail to grasp at every turn.

We'd love to show you how to be strong, we really would. But your self-hatred will not allow this, and it seems you would much rather wallow in your own crapulence.

Go ahead and wallow - we won't stop you. Self-pity, self-hatred, and fear, are all that possess you. These things, in fact, define you.

And stop telling us you want your country back. It was NEVER YOURS.

It has always, belonged to Us.

But if you choose to embrace our Constitution and Democracy, the door is wide open.

[Democracyinkind]

1. The constitution to you seems to be a product of reasoning

...and of rational discourse.
For me it is a metaphysical concept that I use to stuff down peoples throats whenever they tend to disagree with me, no matter the subject or context.

[OhioChick]

2. Are we talking Republicans or Corporations here? n/t

[rrneck]

4. I don't think there's a difference. nt

[tabatha]

3. Well said.

[LWolf]

5. You seem

to be ranting at Republicans. I think.

I just don't know who "we" or "us" might be.

See, I feel like it is my country, too. I was born, raised, and educated here, as were many generations of my forebears.

I am not a republican. I am a leftist Democrat.

And I, too, LOST. I lost when my party nominated, and the country elected, a center-right/corporate/dlc/3rd way/new dem candidate.

I lost, and, imo, my country lost. You won.

Yet it's still my country. And I still have the right, and the responsibility, to oppose policies I feel to be bad for the nation and the planet.

[JFN1]

7. Then obviously this is not about you

The people who I wrote this to are those who feel they must KILL people who disagree with them, who see themselves as the majority when common sense and pure mathematics demonstrates otherwise.

You feel slighted by people around here who pound you for not liking Obama - I hear you. I'm not happy with several things he's done. But I voted for him; I want him to succeed.

I don't sense that you want our President to fail, and I don't sense you would rather destroy America than work to improve it. So unless I am wrong about these things, this post was most certainly not about you.

[LWolf]

15. No, I didn't think it was about me.

I'm just thinking aloud, about the "we" and "us" that assumes so much about people.

As far as the Obama administration goes, I'm ambivalent. I don't want him to "fail," as in "return Congress and the WH to the Republican Party." He seems determined to allow them too much influence; he seems friendlier to them than the left wing of his own party and nation, from this leftist's perspective.

I do want his center-right, corporate agenda to fail. He's a Democrat. I want him to shift left of center, and represent citizens, not corporations and corrupt political organizations. If he does not make that shift? That, to me, is "failing."

[Bicoastal]

16. Seconded--and poster ignored.

Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and now Obama. Once AGAIN, by not being perfect, our candidate wasn't good enough for some.

Criticize Obama all you want, but when you tell me America LOST the day we elected him...you've lost my interest.

[MilesColtrane]

6. Republicans = Confederates?

That's quite a leap.

[JFN1]

8. These people call themselves Republicans

but they are not. They seek to rule or destroy America - a commonality shared with confederates. Make of it what you will - I did.

[sandnsea]

9. The premise of the Constitution is the protection of the minority

The majority view NEVER tramples the Constitutional rights of the minority, even if it's a million to one.

That's the premise of gay rights.

Rethink your OP.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

10. +1

thanks for saying this.

[havocmom]

19. +2

Yup

[mitchtv]

20. I knew there was something in that post

that just wouldn't go down

[LostinVA]

11. There are two major glaring errors in your OP

1.) The US is NOT a Democracy. and never had been. We are a representative Republic.

2.) The Constitution and Bill of Rights are set to protect the MINORITY from the tyranny of the MAJORITY.

[NanceGreggs]

12. This is clearly ...

... one of the best posts on DU evah!!!

:applause: :patriot: :applause:

[stklurker]

13. clarification

"Representative Democracy. A democracy operates under the principle of "majority rule." "


Umm.. just a clarification... in general you are correct, but you realize that a representative democracy does NOT necessarily operate under the principle of majority rule.. right.. that would be a direct democracy. I mean I dont want to dissuade your rant.. but you realize one of the foundations of a representative democracy is... "an independent ruling body (for an election period) charged with the responsibility of acting in the people's interest, but not as their proxy representatives; that is, not necessarily always according to their wishes......".

Back to the rant... although I am not sure who its directed at here on DU...

[Occam Bandage]

14. They don't surround us, we surround them! I'm sorry, I just love my country so much...

[DonCoquixote]

17. KICK AND REC!

Save for one thing, as a Floridian of Yankee descent, I will not allow them the option of seceding. We Latinos are taking over the South bit by bit, and when we reach sufficient numbers, we will ensure that Johnny Reb and the stars and bars types do not get enough power to pull their mischief anymore.

[JFN1]

18. Don't misunderstand me

Okay, I do know the Constitution is structured to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. And when the left begins to act tyrannically, I'll be in line to back the minority.

But the real issue here is Dems and the left are NOT tyrannical - and very likely won't be, as tyranny runs contrary to most progressives' natures.

The minority stole power and used it to promote tyranny, and the Constitution, which should have protected us from ANY tyranny - did not - primarily because of the aforementioned theft.

Now, if any of you out there expect everyone to turn the other cheek against the violent rantings of Bachmann, Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, etc., then you overestimate my patience, and millions of other Americans', patience. I DO NOT want another Civil War, yet these wackos seem hell bent of fomenting one. And I'll not stand idly by and allow that to happen again...I'm all for inclusiveness, but what has been spouted lately by the right isn't dissent, and it isn't constructive. It is merely selfish hate speech wrapped in pretty graphics.

[galileoreloaded]

23. Been following this thread, and it interests me immensely. Questions for you...

This comment:

"But the real issue here is Dems and the left are NOT tyrannical - and very likely won't be, as tyranny runs contrary to most progressives' natures."

Do you think this is more a matter of perception? I mean, many here have made the statement "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter". Do you feel like you are seeing the current issue through your own worldview, or some universal truth? What if these people internalize and truly believe that Democrats ARE tyrannical, as sure as you believe they are not. As I said, this thread fascinates me.

When I hear vitriolic comments, like frankly yours, and that of the likes of a Glenn Beck, I can't help but wonder if humans have a profound inability to rationalize their "opponents" position, once a certain threshold of acrimony has been met. Not equaing you to Glenn Beck, just using him as an example.

I think that this thread alone is an appropriate example of the difficulties in diplomacy through history, similar to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Both sides have escalated their rhetoric, and backed speech with action, to the point that without 3rd party intervention, the parties will probably never achieve even tenuous balance, much less lasting peace.

Historically, these issues are prevalent, often ending in division, fracture, and even war. Funny how the Chinese dynasties were able to last 1000's of years, while recent societies are measured in the 100's of years.

I am certainly not agreeing or disagreeing with your OP or any of the responses, I just want to understand more about your opinion, how you formed it, and what your perfect scenario looks like, and whether those things are attainable within the current global, national, and local realities.

GR

[ColbertWatcher]

21. I'd like to hear people chanting "USA, USA" during any appearance by our President.

If only to piss off the people who believe he isn't their president and who believe they represent this country's values.

[butterfly77]

22. Kick &Recommended!

:kick: :kick: :kick: