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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 02:38 PM
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So what nations have nuclear bombs and how many do they have? The List:

These figures are from the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists and show the best estimates for the big five nuclear powers. We've also included estimates for other nuclear powers like India, Pakistan and Israel - and for the so-called rogue states like North Korea and Iran.

Number of warheads

US 4,075
Russia 5,192
UK 192
China 176
France 300

OTHER NUCLEAR STATES (ESTIMATES)
India 75
Pakistan 15
Israel 200
North Korea 2
Iran 0

SOURCE BULLETIN OF ATOMIC SCIENTISTS, GUARDIAN/DEFENCE ESTIMATES


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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 02:40 PM
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1. Israel has more than the UK or China?
Wow. I never would have guessed.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 02:41 PM
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2. wow! Israel has 200 and Iran 0???
no wonder Israel is so fearful of those crazy Shiites.

:sarcasm:
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 02:49 PM
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6. Actually there is quite some speculation about the exact numbers...

... of the Isreali atomic force.
I attended a talk last year in which "israeli mini nukes" were discussed and where the 200 figure was dismissed as not high enough.
And no, it wasn't a hamas-sponsored talk, it was about nuclear proliferation.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 02:42 PM
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3. Ask yourself, which one of those seems out of place?
Edited on Mon Apr-06-09 02:43 PM by ThomWV
If you had turned the entire nation of Israel - every square mile of it - into a production facility on the day the Nation was founded you would not have enough room or time to produce 200 nuclear weapons. What is more important - and this is the real show stopper, you would not have the electrical power to run the production facilities. So I ask this question once again - where did Israel's bombs come from?
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 02:46 PM
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5. Give that man a prize . . . n/t
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 02:50 PM
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8. Really....
Edited on Mon Apr-06-09 02:56 PM by Statistical
All 1100 W88 warheads (used on Ohio class) SSBN were produced in a facility in New Mexico smaller than most office parks.

Israel has a single nuclear reactor optimized to produced weapons grade plutonium and virtually no electrical power. It isn't even hooked up to the countries power grid.

Why would a country have a nuclear reactor so poorly optimized that it produced massive amounts of plutonium waste and no usable power?

Not sure why you state the don't have the power? It doesn't take a lot of power to make plutonium instead it take a nuclear reactor. By adjusting the reactor optimization you end up with a reactor that is very "ineficient" producing virtually no usable power but lots of waste which in this case is weapons grade plutonium.

50+ years of running that reactor. Fuel supply has been changed at least 8 times. Still not hooked up to the countries power grid.

By now it has generated enough weapons grade plutonium for 200+ warheads.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

BTW: The French built the Negev nuclear research facility and reactor in 1956 over the objections of the United States.


I don't think Israel has 200 warheads though. They likely have the fuel for 200 warheads but most intelligence estimates are at around 75 or so functioning warheads.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 03:07 PM
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14. Aside from that article being hogwash it doesn't answer the question
It is not the assembly of the device that requires expansive facilities and enormous amounts of energy. It is the production of the materials of which the bomb is made. Israel is not large enough to have done it, does not have the raw materials, and does not have the ability to generate the energy necessary to have built the bombs.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 08:34 PM
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23. What energy required?
Edited on Mon Apr-06-09 08:34 PM by Statistical
They have a reactor. A 40MWt reactor.

Over the last 53 years it has produced 18,572 TWtH of energy.
Thats over 18,000 terrawatts hours. Enough energy for you.

Creating nuclear weapons doesn't take tens of km of space.
Its not like you have a nuke orchard?

They purchase uranium fuel -------> 40MWt reactor --------> spent high plutonium fuel

spent fuel ------> reprocessing facility ------> weapons grade plutonium

weapons grade plutonium ------> assembly plant at Ngev ----> warheads

warheads -----> Jericho III ICBM -----> nuclear weapon

Of course I guess the fact that Edward Teller (father of US Hydrogen bomb) testified in 1960s that Israel had the necessary components to make nuclear device means nothing.

Hell its not like knows anything about nuclear weapons.

You with all your internet zionist conspiracy theories no more than anyone else.

Including those stupid Israeli who spent hundreds of millions building and expanding the "research reactor", procrssing plutonium, faking all those warheads, and building ICBM.

All that so people on the internet can sound smart talking about conspiracy theories because Israel doesn't have enough space (WTF???) or energy (other than 40MWt reactor) to make a bomb.


BTW: The plutonium for trinity was produced from a manual uranium pile. Workers pushed fuel slugs in manually to force out the newly produced plutonium. Produced enough plutonium to build the trinity test device.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-10_Graphite_Reactor

Whole thing was less than 1 acre.

All that with manual labor, and 1960s technology.
Your right no possible way an industrialized nation like Israel could produce a bomb w/ 2 modern heavy water reactors.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 02:57 PM
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10. Well, at one time we had close to 15,000.
Maybe a few did NOT get decommissioned?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 02:59 PM
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11. And, that is why they won't admit to having them.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 03:00 PM
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12. Israel's nuclear bombs are manufactured at the Negev Nuclear Research Center
Edited on Mon Apr-06-09 03:14 PM by Better Believe It
The Negev Nuclear Research Center is an Israeli nuclear installation located in the Negev desert, about thirteen kilometers to the south-east of the city of Dimona.

Its construction commenced in 1958, with French assistance according to the secret Protocol of Sèvres agreements. The complex was constructed in secret, and outside the International Atomic Energy Agency inspection regime. To maintain secrecy, French customs officials were told that the largest of the reactor components, such as the reactor tank, were part of a desalination plant bound for Latin America. <1> The purpose of Dimona is widely assumed to be the manufacturing of nuclear weapons, and the majority of defense experts have concluded that it does in fact do that. However, the Israeli government refuses to confirm or deny this publicly, as part of a policy of deliberate ambiguity.

The Dimona reactor went on-line some time between 1962 and 1964, and with the plutonium produced there, perhaps together with enriched uranium (see Plumbat Operation), the Israel Defence Forces most probably had their first nuclear weapons ready before the Six-Day War.

When the United States intelligence community discovered the purpose of Dimona in the early 1960s, it demanded that Israel agree to international inspections. Israel agreed, but on a condition that US, rather than International Atomic Energy Agency, inspectors were used, and that Israel would receive advance notice of all inspections.

Some claim that because Israel knew the schedule of the inspectors' visits, it was able to hide the alleged purpose of the site (manufacturing of nuclear weapons) from the inspectors, by installing temporary false walls and other devices before each inspection. The inspectors eventually informed the U.S. government that their inspections were useless, due to Israeli restrictions on what areas of the facility they could inspect. By 1969 the U.S. believed that Israel might have a nuclear weapon,<2> <3>, and terminated inspections that year.

More info at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negev_Nuclear_Research_Center

Satellite image of Israel's nuclear production facility.

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=h&om=1&ll=31.002166,35.146959&spn=0.008902,0.019226&z=16

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Mordechai Vanunu (Hebrew: מרדכי ואנונו‎), born in Marrakech, Morocco on 14 October, 1954 is an Israeli former nuclear technician who revealed details of Israel's nuclear weapons program to the British press in 1986. He was subsequently lured to Italy and kidnapped by Israeli agents. He was transported to Israel and convicted of treason.

Mordechai Vanunu spent 18 years in prison, including more than 11 years in solitary confinement. Vanunu was released from prison in 2004, subject to a broad array of restrictions on his speech and movement. Since then he has been briefly arrested several times for violations of those restrictions, including giving various interviews to foreign journalists and attempting to leave Israel. He says he has been persecuted by the authorities in Israel because of his conversion to Christianity,<1> saying "I want to tell those who say I am a traitor, I suffered here 18 years because I am a Christian."<2>

In 2007 Vanunu was sentenced to six months in prison for violating terms of his parole. The sentence was considered unusual even by the prosecution who expected a suspended sentence. In response, Amnesty International issued a press release on 2 July, 2007, stating that "The organisation considers Mordechai Vanunu to be a prisoner of conscience and calls for his immediate and unconditional release."<3> Vanunu has been characterized by some as a whistleblower<4><5> and by others as a traitor.<6><7><8><9> He is considered by many Europeans as a 'hero of the nuclear age'<10>.

Many critics argue that Vanunu had no additional information that would pose a real security threat to Israel, and that the Israeli government's real motivation is a desire to avoid political embarrassment and financial complications for itself and allies such as the United States. By not acknowledging possession of nuclear weapons, Israel avoids a US legal prohibition on funding countries which proliferate weapons of mass destruction. Such an admission would prevent Israel from receiving, as it does now, more than $3 billion each year in military and other aid from Washington.<20>

Read more at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Vanunu






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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 03:04 PM
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13. Nice story ...
what part of fantasy land did that one come from?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 03:25 PM
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17. Hard facts. On what basis are you disputing the existence of Israel's nuclear arsenal?
Take your blinders off!

If you have any factual information with credible links I'm listening!

Surely you don't expect DU liberals and other progressives to believe that the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists is lying, do you?

Perhaps you believe that Israeli intelligence kidnaped and imprisoned Mordechai Vanunu because he revealed a super secret recipe for matzah ball soup!

:) :)

Is that what you think?
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 03:57 PM
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19. Better watch out...
Someone's likely to accuse you of being anti-Semitic!
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 04:00 PM
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20. That has been a very popular accusation used to quell debate of BIG topics
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 04:00 PM
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21. No one has ever accused me of being anti-Semitic or a racist in real life
And that's what counts.

Anyone can make outrageous personal attacks against people they disagree with on a discussion board and that happens here far too often.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 04:04 PM
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22. There seems to be one nation in the entire world that is off-limits to criticism among some people
We can criticize actions of the US, Britain, China, Russia, Australia, Iraq, Pakistan, just about any country in the world. However, there is ONE country that I have learned is off-limits to any sort of criticism, and will automatically earn you the label of being a bigot.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 03:53 PM
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18. Some articles here:


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel/Nuke_Nation.html

Nuke Nation
Israel's weapons of mass destruction
by John Steinbach
CovertAction Quarterly, April / June 2001

Israeli Weapons of Mass Destruction:
a Threat to Peace
Nuclear Weapons
by John Steinbach, DC Iraq Coalition, March 2002
Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG), March 3, 2002, globalresearch.ca
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel/Israel%27s_Nuclear%20Weapons.html


Part II - Blood Money
excerpted from the book
Profits of War
Inside the Secret U.S.-Israeli Arms Network
by Ari Ben-Menashe
Sheridan Square Press, 1992, hardcover

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel/Blood_Money_POW.html

Middle East watch
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Middle_East/MiddleEastWatch.html
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 08:44 PM
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24. Oak Ridge National Laboratory is only 150 km2. Israel is 20,000
Your claim about Israel not have enough space to build a production facility is bullshit.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 02:46 PM
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4. Funny how one with THOUSANDS can convince its populace to fear a country with none
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 02:50 PM
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7. Funny how we are not starting to question that notion now that ...

.. things have "changed" ... no pun intended.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 02:52 PM
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9. Sad but true
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Baikonour Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 03:09 PM
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15. North Korea and Iran have a total of 2.
Odd, though, that when it comes to nuclear weapons, all the attention is put on them.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 03:19 PM
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16. Just one reason in a very long list of them not to trust corporate "news"
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