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Bill219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 01:18 PM
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Did Bush and Cheney stop Bin Laden's Assassination?
A caller to the Ed Schultz show today said that after the USS Cole bombing, President Clinton had issued an assassination warrant and we had mercs who were going after him. According to him, when Bush and Cheney took office, they rescinded the warrant and took no further action against him until after 9/11 happened.

Did this really happen, or is this something that the caller may have heard from Alex Jones or Coast2Coast?
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 01:20 PM
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1. Bush did say he didn't care about bin Laden.
The Bush family has a lot of business ties to the bin Laden family, as well. Bush made sure bin Laden's relatives in the U.S. got a flight out of the country when all planes were grounded, supposedly for their safety, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that this was true.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 01:21 PM
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2. I don't know if that is true but the Bush Admin had members of the ....
.... Taliban over for a visit in 2001 and stopped U.S. Army ranger from going after
bin Laden when he was trapped @ Tora Bora.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 01:37 PM
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3. George W Bush was the Bin Ladens' point man inside the United States...
I don't know why people have trouble understanding this.
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 01:47 PM
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4. They were partners
Apr 1, 2002 Contact: Press Office
202-646-5188

MIDEAST TERROR WAR ADDS URGENCY TO CARLYLE GROUP CONTROVERSY

Former President Bush Works for International Investment Firm With Ties To Saudi Arabia

Company Had Bin Laden Family Connections

(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, today pointed out that the recent spate of terror attacks on Israel has lent new urgency to the need for former President Bush to resign from the Carlyle Group, an international investment firm with close ties to the government of Saudi Arabia.

The former president, the father of President Bush, worked for the bin Laden family business in Saudi Arabia through the Carlyle Group, meeting with them at least twice. The terrorist leader Osama bin Laden had supposedly been “disowned” by his family, which runs a multi-billion dollar business in Saudi Arabia and was a major investor in the senior Bush’s firm. Other reports have stated his Saudi family have not truly cut off Osama bin Laden.

In the wake of Judicial Watch and other criticism of its ties to the bin Laden family business, the Carlyle Group reportedly no longer does business with the bin Laden conglomerate. Yet the Group, among other conflicts of interest, reportedly has a major business relationship with the Saudi Arabian government, which many have criticized for its lack of cooperation in America’s war on terrorism and its financial and other support for terrorist attacks on Israel and U.S. interests.

“It stands to reason, as noted in the David Sanger piece in The New York Times today, that President Bush consults with his father on issues of the day. In a normal situation, this would be appropriate, but with President Bush’s father being effectively an agent of the Saudi Arabian government, it raises, in the least, a conflict of interest problem. Questions can be raised, for instance, if the ‘kid gloves’ treatment of Saudi Arabia by the Bush Administration has anything to do with his father’s financial ties to the Saudi regime. Former President Bush would be doing his son and his country a favor by immediately resigning from the Carlyle Group,” stated Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel Larry Klayman.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/1685.shtml
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BeGoodDoGood Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 01:51 PM
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6. Bin Ladin was a CIA asset in the 80's...........
Bush 41 is a former head of CIA.

It wouldn't surprise me to see that OBL still was a CIA asset.

Walt
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 01:54 PM
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7. If he was still alive he probably would be.
Right now the CIA is just using those Osama lookalikes to make stupid videos to scare people.
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 01:56 PM
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9. lol i found this on googleyoutube just now
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 01:58 PM
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10. I Wouldn't Be Surprised If Bin Ladin Was Hiding In Plain Sight In Some Saudi Arabian....
palace. We've been led to believe that Bin Ladin is hiding in the mountains of Pakistan along the Afghan/Pakistan border. I've never believed the story that the family disowned him. I think they are hiding him out. Why would we ever go into Saudi Arabia looking for him? They're supposedly our friends. Oh - how many Saudi Arabians were on those planes on 9/11?
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Bill219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 01:54 PM
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8. Are there any articles about the rescinding of the warrant by Bush and Cheney?
I would love to read more on this but I have not been able to find anything
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 01:49 PM
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5. Don't forget that * ferried Bin Laden's family out of the US the day after 9-11
when no Americans were permitted to fly. Go figure. I doubt they were going to try and kill the man...ever.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 02:00 PM
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11. The Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden
in February 2001 and the admin ignored/rejected the offer.

YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDvVZ2Gn-9g


Q Ari, according to India Globe, the Taliban in Afghanistan, they have offered that they are ready to hand over Osama bin Laden to Saudi Arabia if the United States would drop its sanctions, and they have a kind of deal that they want to make with the United States. Do you have any comments?

MR. FLEISCHER: Let me take that and get back to you on that.


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Bill219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 02:06 PM
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12. I found an article about Clinton issuing the authorization
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a0898authorization&scale=0#a0898authorization

Now the real question is:

Did Bush and Cheney rescind this order as the caller stated?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 03:04 PM
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15. Hell, the Taliban offered us OBL - OBL was on the top of the FBI's
10 most wanted when GWB took office - he was INDICTED and wanted by our government/courts for his involvement in the embassy bombings - it was suspected that he had a hand in the USS Cole bombing - yet they rejected the Taliban's offer to hand over OBL if we helped them get some sanctions lifted (There were folks starving over there). We didn't accept the Taliban offer but in May '01 we did give the Taliban over $40 million.

Bush didn't want OBL and didn't care about AQ until after 9/11 -

Just imagine where we would be today if the February '01 offer was accepted or the offers made in September '01 and October '01.
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 02:08 PM
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13. They also wanted proof he was behind 9/11
But I think Bush said something like "We dont need to discuss proof because we know he's guilty"
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 02:55 PM
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14. Before the invasion of Afghanistan, they agreed to turn OBL over
Edited on Wed Apr-08-09 02:56 PM by merh
if we supplied proof of his involvement in 9/11.

In October, after the invasion, they again offered to hand over OBL and did not ask for proof, they just want us to stop the attacks. Bush said no.

Afghanistan was never about OBL.

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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 11:34 PM
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16. Heres the article I was trying to find.
Elite Officer Recalls Bin Laden Hunt
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/02/60minutes/main4494937.shtml

(CBS) Shortly after 9/11, the Pentagon ordered a top secret team of American commandos into Afghanistan with a single, simple order: kill Osama bin Laden. It was America's best chance to eliminate the leader of al Qaeda. The inside story of exactly what happened in that mission, and how close it came to its objective has never been told until now.

The man you are about to meet was the officer in command, leading a team from the U.S. Army's mysterious Delta Force - a unit so secret, it's often said Delta doesn't exist. But you are about to see Delta's operators in action.

Why would the mission commander break his silence after seven years? He told 60 Minutes correspondent Scott Pelley that most everything he has read in the media about his mission is wrong and now he wants to set the record straight.


"Our job was to go find him, capture or kill him, and we knew the writing on the wall was to kill him because nobody wanted to bring Osama bin Laden back to stand trial in the United States somewhere," the mission commander tells Pelley.

In 2001, just 10 weeks after 9/11, he was a 37-year-old Army major leading a team of America's most elite commandos. Even now, 60 Minutes can't tell you his name or show you his face. 60 Minutes hired a theatrical make up artist to take this former Delta officer through a series of transformations to disguise him. He calls himself "Dalton Fury," and is the author of "Kill Bin Laden," a new book out this week.

Dalton Fury is used to disguises. In fact in 2001, his entire team transformed themselves in Afghanistan. "Everybody has their beard grown. Everybody’s wearing local Afghan clothing, sometimes carrying the same weapons as them," he explains.

"The idea was that if this all worked out Osama bin Laden would be dead, and no one would ever know that Delta Force was there?" Pelley asks.

"That's right," Fury says. "That's the plan. And that always is when you're talking about Delta Force."

And there was no mission more important to the United States. "We'll smoke him out of his cave and we'll get him eventually," President Bush had vowed.

But the administration's strategy was to let Afghans do most of the fighting. Using radio intercepts and other intelligence, the CIA pinpointed bin Laden in the mountains near the border of Pakistan. Following the strategy of keeping an Afghan face on the war, Fury's Delta team joined the CIA and Afghan fighters and piled into pickup trucks. They videotaped their journey to a place called Tora Bora.

Fury told 60 Minutes his orders were to kill bin Laden and leave the body with the Afghans.

"Right here you're looking at basically the battlefield from the last location that we had a firm on Osama bin Laden's location," Fury explains to Pelley, looking at a ridgeline with an elevation of about 14,000 feet.

Asked how tough it would be to attack such a position on a scale of one to ten, Fury tells Pelley, "In my experience it’s a ten."

Delta developed an audacious plan to come at bin Laden from the one direction he would never expect.

"We want to come in on the back door," Fury explains. "The original plan that we sent up through our higher headquarters, Delta Force wants to come in over the mountain with oxygen, coming from the Pakistan side, over the mountains and come in and get a drop on bin Laden from behind."

But they didn't take that route, because Fury says they didn't get approval from a higher level. "Whether that was Central Command all the way up to the president of the United States, I'm not sure," he says.

The next option that Delta wanted to employ was to drop hundreds of landmines in the mountain passes that led to Pakistan, which was bin Laden’s escape route.

"First guy blows his leg off, everybody else stops. That allows aircraft overhead to find them. They see all these heat sources out there. Okay, there a big large group of Al Qaeda moving south. They can engage that," Fury explains.

But they didn't do that either, because Fury says that plan was also disapproved. He says he has "no idea" why.

"How often does Delta come up with a tactical plan that's disapproved by higher headquarters?" Pelley asks.

"In my experience, in my five years at Delta, never before," Fury says.
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