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Blue State Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:17 PM Original message |
In Defense of Obama Keeping Domestic Wiretapping Capabilities. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. Funny you should mention... |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
2. You will never convince me. |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. +1! |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. +2 seems the OP doesn't understand the "the warrantless wiretapping programs" |
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Blue State Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:23 AM Response to Reply #5 |
50. Capabilities... not programs. Read article. |
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Blue State Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. I understand. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. You can't take out a warrant against a group, only individuals |
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Blue State Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:06 AM Response to Reply #15 |
49. And you don't understand my argument. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
4. When you break the law to save the law, you've already lost. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. knr :) n/t |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. +4 |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
7. "Those who would trade Liberty for security deserve neither" |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
8. I don't know how to put this one in a kind or gentle manner, so I'll just let it rip |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. unless, of course, |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. The thing is, the Constitution isn't "just a piece of paper" |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. just quoting W |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. I know that, I'm just making that point perfectly clear for people like the OP |
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Blue State Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. People like me? You sound like Glen Beck. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. why bother? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Is that the best defense of your vile proposition that you can offer, compare me to Beck |
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Blue State Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. So multi-national organizations... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. It's official, you've become that which you hate |
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Blue State Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. I appreciate the 3rd grade civics lesson... |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. so your premise is Obama would have the means to use this apparatus |
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Blue State Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. NewsCorp would be a good example. |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #35 |
67. So you agree |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
66. Kennedy is not so innocent regarding this issue |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
30. what you said. nt |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
44. Yes!!!!!!! |
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Blue State Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:46 AM Response to Reply #8 |
53. "You state... wiretap warrant is worthless..."? Where? |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 06:38 AM Response to Reply #8 |
60. word. |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
65. The idea to target political figures smells alot like COINTELPRO |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
9. FFS. Where is this shit coming from? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I don't think some folks know how to disagree with one of Obama's policies yet |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. but marketing is THAT effective. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. I fear you are right and hope you're wrong. |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #18 |
62. ! |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
68. I knew there wouldn't be much change because politicians are ultimately |
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Blue State Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:02 AM Response to Reply #9 |
54. It's called my prerogative to have an opinion and express it. |
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biopowertoday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
10. Chenny et al IS SO PROUD TO HAVE YOU IN THIEIR GROUPIE. |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
11. You are not ready for Obama to give up using Illegal wiretaps on Americans? Fuck that |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
16. all the rationalizations you can offer, all the hero worship that warms your heart |
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Blue State Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:29 AM Response to Reply #16 |
58. Tell me when we get them back. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
19. disgusting |
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Blue State Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:23 AM Response to Reply #19 |
57. Blind. |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
22. "Those who would give up essential liberty |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
25. The threats are nothing a FISA warrant can't address. n/t |
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Blue State Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
26. CAPABILITIES! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. There is no proven utility for these "capabilities" except to intimidate the public. |
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Blue State Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. It's not that I'm unconcerned... |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. he can get warrants, EASILY, to eavesdrop on those "threatening to take up arms" |
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Blue State Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. The real fight is not the tech, but it's use. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:44 AM Response to Reply #37 |
52. I think you're over-estimating the likely arms up-taking... |
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Blue State Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:18 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Thank you for your thoughtful disagreement. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
31. We were talking about this last night |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
32. I disagree |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
34. Obama is engaging in unconstitutional activity in order to bust Bush & Cheney? riiiiight! |
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Blue State Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Bush and Cheney in Irons Would Be Nice... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
36. Trusting the government with our rights is undemocratic and a fool's errand. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
38. Obama controls the military... why not just bomb them instead? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:27 AM Response to Reply #38 |
51. Asia's crowded, Europe's too old |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
47. Cheney/Bush wiretapped all and Now Obama can return the favor... KARMA |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:00 PM Original message |
There may even be times they will need to use torture. |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
48. In defense of drinking from cesspools. |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:06 AM Response to Original message |
55. Get.A.Fucking.Warrant. |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:09 AM Response to Original message |
59. I couldn't disagree more. |
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Blue State Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. We do agree on one point... almost. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
61. fascism == security |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
64. So who will be monitoring the monitors? |
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