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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:46 AM Original message |
Ayn Rand: why are conservatives fascinated with her? |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
1. It has a lot to do with homoerotic feelings toward Howard Roark |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:39 AM Response to Reply #1 |
35. LOL |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #1 |
44. Very good. nm |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
2. Ego Food n/t |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
3. It's been decades, but I recall that Anthem was impressive on its grade B literary merits alone. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
4. I read the stuff and got over it pretty quickly... I also read Dianetics... LOL |
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Seeking Serenity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
5. Conservatives really aren't., in my experience. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
6. She provides an intellectual justification for their selfishness. n/t |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:56 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. +1 |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #6 |
25. Perfect answer. n/t |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:03 AM Response to Reply #6 |
38. Pretty much |
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Golden Raisin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #6 |
43. I'd say pseudo intellectual justification. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. Good point. n/t |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
52. Exactly . . . !!!! |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
7. The title of her book The Virtue of Selfishness says it all |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
8. Because she provides fake intellectual cover for their greed |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:08 AM Response to Reply #8 |
21. I once read a book by a Christian conservative... |
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earthside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
10. Permission. |
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markbark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
11. I would direct your attention to a review of "Atlas Shrugged" by Gore Vidal |
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mgc1961 (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:21 AM Response to Reply #11 |
27. That first one: |
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skypilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
49. Bookmarking this for later. Thanks for posting it. |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
12. Very simple-- she said greed was a virtue. |
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Lithos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
13. There are a lot of criticisms about Ayn Rand |
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Stevenmarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
14. Because dying lonely and bitter, like Ayn, is an achievable goal |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:08 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. LOL nt |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #14 |
39. Interesting thing about her death |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
15. I read Atlas Shrugged at the urging of a friend about 30 years ago. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
16. For presenting the personal greed ideology in "objectivist" form, but... |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
17. Easy: Selfishness and Predatory Behavior Without The Guilt. |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
18. Something basic about the idea of using other people's lives up |
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Bok_Tukalo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
20. She is the prostitute in Chapter 5 of So Long and Thanks for All the Fish |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:12 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. My God...you're right! |
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Bok_Tukalo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:21 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. For something with more meat, she is the alternate mother in Coraline |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
22. Because Rand affords them the opportunity of not taking responsibility for |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
23. Play Bioshock You'll have much more fun and watching Andrew Ryan (based on Ann) die is a treat. |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:36 AM Response to Reply #23 |
31. It's sad how many of the posters seem to not realize that it's based on Ayn Rand |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. and those that do don't realize that it's that same philosophy that destroys his society ingame. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
28. She validates their childhood fantasies. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
29. She reminds them of their stern, unloving mother, who potty trained them badly. |
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Saboburns (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
30. Remember WingNuts are fascinated by Ronald Raygun |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
32. I think it is because her philosophy gives license to their selfishness |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
33. Her teaching absolute disdain for Altruism made it easy for therm |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
36. So in summary, she lends a certain legitimacy to the philosophy of... |
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benld74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
37. ITS FICTION and they don't believe NON-FICTION |
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keroro gunsou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
40. she gives them |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
41. She helps them blame the victims. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
42. She was the prototypical neocon. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
45. Her books appeal to the weak minded that believe the fantasy. I was a follower in high school. nm |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
46. Supposed to be making Atlas Shrugged in to a movie now |
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TheBigotBasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
47. The thing is Republicans do not actually understand the concepts that they lay claim to. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
48. Because she produced easy-to-read conservative porn. |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
50. There's only a couple of conservatives who can be called intellectuals |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
53. They find great utility & applique in her rap on individualism: 'Individualism regards man—every man |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
54. They love chicks with comb overs? |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
55. Read this |
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Budgies Revenge (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
56. what I can't figure out... |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
57. I don't get it either. Most atheists/agnostics that I know are either... |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. but most Rand followers are not atheist/agnostic but actually very religious |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 12:07 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. which is weird because she was a hard core atheist. |
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