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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:14 PM
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Poll question: Worst legacy of Bush's presidency?
Seriously, for years people have discussed what was the worst thing Bush did long term. I say the attack on the environment, but a case could be made for everything he touched.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:16 PM
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1. HAVA
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:21 PM
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4. I had forgotten about that.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:17 PM
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2. ALL OF THE ABOVE.
Other.
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rampart Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 01:29 AM
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36. all of the above
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 01:36 AM
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38. +1
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:20 PM
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3. I said environment because it's so hard to take land back to its original state, but all of these
things are a close second.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:21 PM
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5. Torture. Easy.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:22 PM
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6. so many of the choices are related to the Iraq war
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:27 PM
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8. I separated torture and spying because they were doing that before Iraq.
Edited on Thu Apr-09-09 10:28 PM by suede1
But wow, you could add more than a dozen (or hundreds) of crimes to the war. Including Plame's outing.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:22 PM
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7. How about "all of the above"...plus. n/t
Edited on Thu Apr-09-09 10:22 PM by OhioChick
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:27 PM
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9. As horrible as all of these are, Iraq tops them all
Over one million dead, 4 million Iraqis displaced from their homes (internally or externally), over 4 thousand dead American soldiers, and many thousands more with grievous physical and emotional wounds.
This was a crime fed on lies, with the entire crime family escaping unscathed and much, much richer.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:29 PM
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10. the resulting public that trivializes life or death issues so stupidly
:hi:
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:31 PM
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12. Good one! And everyone deals with those people.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:51 PM
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19. and some of them are those people
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 09:31 AM
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40. And how about the pompous?
Edited on Fri Apr-10-09 09:52 AM by suede1
They suck on either side.

But, I'm sure you've never discussed these things.
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 02:35 PM
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44. And nothing is being trivialized by discussing things. I took this seriously.
But, there always has to be someone that looks for reasons to judge and, well, be an ass.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:29 PM
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11. How about nearly everything if not everything he and his cohorts did?
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:34 PM
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13. I forgot to add dividing the country!!!
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:38 PM
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14. going with constitution - I would have said loss of separation of powers
and checks and balances because that helped wreck the environment, get us into Iraq, etc. :(
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Believing Is Art Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:40 PM
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15. Why I chose torture
Edited on Thu Apr-09-09 10:49 PM by Believing Is Art
Environment - Bush undid a lot of progress, but our environmental problems were not started by him and are not totally the fault of the United States. He did a lot of harm, but he and his administration do not own this problem.

Attack on Constitution in general - Too vague to be his Watergate/Vietnam/Lewinski/whatever.

Attack on Iraq - Misguided wars are not unique to Bush. They're not okay, of course, but he's not as special in this category as he is in modern day torture.

Spying - Egregious, yes, but it doesn't have the inhumane element of torture. Also, how personal is it really to the average American? We know we could have been spied on. Many probably were and never knew it. I'm not saying the lack of any real effect on most people's lives makes it okay, just putting it in perspective with his other crimes. It would be the worst legacy of many a president, but not this guy.

Attack on working people/the economy - This was going on long before Bush. Additionally, it thus far has not reached the level of the Great Depression. If it gets worse than that, well, I'll change my opinion.

Damage to our image - This kind of wraps everything up in a nutshell then exports it.


Authorizing and committing torture in this day and age, by this country, that takes the cake.


Edit: typo
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:47 PM
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17. Very good!
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:43 PM
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16. The dead,
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:25 AM
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28. And the walking dead. :( n/t
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Believing Is Art Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:48 PM
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18. Another one I might add would be Bush v. Gore
Edited on Thu Apr-09-09 11:02 PM by Believing Is Art
Sometimes I try to think about what history students will be forced to memorize about the Bush admin in a decade or so.

Concentrated down to the bare essentials:
Bush v. Gore
9/11 and the Afghanistan War
Gitmo and Torture
Domestic Spying
Bush Doctrine and the Iraq War
2004 Election and Defeat of Kerry
Katrina and (lack of) FEMA Response
The Economic Collapse of 2008
The Hope Revolution (possible name in future of Obama election)

There probably will also be some required reading about the DOJ and Gonzales.
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margotb822 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:54 PM
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20. Other: Compromising our Elections
And, it could be argued that there would be no legacy if 2000 had been a legitimate election.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:58 PM
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21. add the New Orleans disaster as a category
The Dumbfuck-in-Chief desecrated and shat upon the people in my favorite American city.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:04 PM
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22. The toxic polarization
of our political discourse.

Nothing else seems to be able to get done when the GOP calls Democrats everything from terrorist sympathizers, to Nazis, to radical communists.

In an environment that is fueled more by hate than a real desire to solve problems not much will get done.
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kas125 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:11 PM
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23. I chose the attacks against the Constitution itself, because
that includes many of the other choices like attacking Iraq, torture, spying, etc.
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:19 PM
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24. The brainwashed rabble let losoe... Teabaggers, Rapturists, Cheney, etc.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:20 PM
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25. NOLA ... !
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corruptmewithpower Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:21 PM
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26. What really pissed be off about Bush was the outasight spending!
President Obama is making Bush look like a miserly penny pincher, but at least I can have high hopes that I was wrong about overspending by government being a bad thing and that I am still wrong, I hope.
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NavyDavy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:01 AM
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27. whatever.....
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:46 AM
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33. WTF!!! Are you kidding? How can anyone not know that it matters what you spend money on and how?
You don't use a credit card to pay your mortgage when you have a job and can pay. But you might have to when you're in between jobs and need to save your house.

Wow! I don't believe I just read what you wrote.
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corruptmewithpower Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 01:06 AM
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34. I voted for President Obama. I have to believe his economic
program is a lot better than it looks to me. I have a lot riding on my decision, our whole future for example.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:35 AM
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29. Set Back America 10 years.....he almost blew it all to Hell with his friggen decisions
He don't read, think, analyze, hunt, fish, fix, use tools, dance, sing, or Lead.....he is a loser

Utter Failure
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:45 AM
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31. 10 years? More like 100.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:38 AM
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30. His attack on the United States, its people, and everything it stands for in the name of
hubris and greed.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:46 AM
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32. Every single fuckin' thing that happened in the last 8 years.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 01:45 AM
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39. Fucking nightmare. Hey, stop bitching traitor, terror altert level Orange!!!!
No time for criticism or dissent - shut up and go get your plastic sheeting and duct tape!

:sarcasm:
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 01:24 AM
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35. We probably haven't seen the worst part of Bush's legacy.
The worst thing about George Bush isn't necessarily what he's done, but what he's set a precedent for doing. Ultimately, Bush was a fool and a novice in politics, but he set a precedent for doing some VERY destructive things in terms of what the government can do. If a very astute politician were to be in place the next time a 9/11-esque disaster occurs the precedent is now set for them to turn the US into a totalitarian state.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 01:30 AM
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37. The relentless and treasonous attack on the Constitution is his worst legacy.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 09:34 AM
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41. Attack on the Constitution, but I am sure there are still a lot of
little surprises we haven't yet found.

mark
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 09:38 AM
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42. Our ongoing failure to adopt and embrace the Metric System
Will Obama finally bring an end to it?
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 09:50 AM
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43. Inviting Dick Cheney on the ticket in the first place!
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Johnny2X2X Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:30 PM
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45. Fake Terror threats
How about when they started releasing fake terror threats for Political purposes, specifically during the 2004 Election cycle. It was so transparent at that time. I know this turned many Republicans against them as this was such an offense to anyone that loves America and wants it to be safe.
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Johnny2X2X Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:30 PM
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46. Fake Terror threats
How about when they started releasing fake terror threats for Political purposes, specifically during the 2004 Election cycle. It was so transparent at that time. I know this turned many Republicans against them as this was such an offense to anyone that loves America and wants it to be safe.
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