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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:56 AM
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I am waiting...
I am waiting
For justice to be present in our courts
For there to be clean flowing rivers full of native fish
For our skies to be clean of pollutants that cause acid rain
For Guantanamo’s prison to be closed
And its prisoners returned to their native lands


I am waiting
For all consenting adults to have the right to marry
For little children to be happy with their parents, no matter their orientation
For all of us to live in peace with our neighbors,
For all of us to be respectful of them, and their property
And for the same from them to us

I am waiting
For America to once again be a place we can all be proud of
For our schools to teach the truth to our children
For there to be nothing but the best teachers in those classes
For those teachers who struggle to be good, to have the help they need

I am waiting
For our people to find the causes of evil instead of punishing it
For our scientists to find the causes of illness, instead of the cures
For the cures to no longer be necessary because we have found the causes
And we will implement them.

I am waiting
For the promise of our great country to be realized
For all men and women and children to live in harmony and beauty and equality

Come, take my hand...

There’s work to be done.

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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 01:16 AM
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1. Amen.
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Lionel Mandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 01:54 AM
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2. Is this a poem or a sermon?
Or maybe a little of both?

We probably won't get there in our lifetimes.

But while we're waiting, we can dream.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:29 AM
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5. Yes.
And lovely at that.

Problem is that there are forces most interested in preventing that day from coming.

Take heart, we will eventually win.


5063312, "A Velvet Ressurection" - Legendary Pink Dots
Posted by The Doctor. on Mon Feb-16-09 03:51 AM

I want to believe in the nobility of the human spirit.
I want to believe that mankind is essentially good,
and that the horror I see and the horrors I hear about
are simply the last cries of a dying spectre that haunted our fragile globe for just too long.

I want to believe that we are about to peel off the mask
with which this spiteful god has been frightening us.
I want to believe that we will not dance on his defeated rotting body,
for that would grant him victory in death.

I want to believe that we will peel away the masks with which we frighten each other.
I want to believe that no new spectre will replace the one that died,
and that we can stand alone and respect one another, love one another,
respect and cherish life in all its shapes and sizes while continuing to evolve.

I want to believe that mankind will never be too arrogant to abandon it's quest for the ultimate answer.
I want to believe that this 'ultimate answer' remains a simple question.
I want to believe that even I could answer this question.
I want to believe all of these things.
I want to believe all of these things and more.

But you caught me at a bad moment and I can't.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 11:08 AM
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7. That is stunning!
And more than worthy of its own thread...

Thank you for bringing it here today, so we all may partake of its beauty and its wildness!


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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 11:06 AM
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6. Not in our lifetimes, yes...
But you must have dreams in order to get there at all.

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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 05:33 AM
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3. Lovely California Peggy, many thanks...n/t
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 11:21 AM
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8. Thank you...
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:39 PM
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9. Ah, CalPeg ...
:hug: :patriot:



:applause:

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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 01:58 PM
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10. My dear Nance
Ah, I thank you...

:hug:

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MikeH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 05:06 PM
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11. I think Alice Miller comes as close as anyone to identifying some root causes of evil
Hi Peggy. My post here is in response to what you said in your post:

I am waiting
For our people to find the causes of evil instead of punishing it



The Swiss writer and psychotherapist, Alice Miller, in her books and on her http://www.alice-miller.com/">web http://www.naturalchild.com/alice_miller/">sites, deals with the issue of child abuse and mistreatment, and the long term consequences of such abuse and mistreatment.

I myself had a very difficult father, who did some very good things, but who at times bordered on being abusive, especially emotionally and psychologically. It was an important milestone for me to realize that much of my father's behavior was actually abusive and disrespectful; i.e. it was not just something wrong with me that I had problems with him and was often angry at and resented things he said and did, which anger and resentment spilled out into other areas of my life, and toward other people. I have found the perspective provided by Alice Miller to be very helpful.

Here is what she says in an article titled http://www.alice-miller.com/flyers_en.php?page=7">The Roots of Violence are NOT Unknown:


1. The development of the human brain is use-dependent. The brain develops its structure in the first four years of life, depending on the experiences the environment offers the child. The brain of a child who has mostly loving experiences will develop differently from the brain of a child who has been treated cruelly.

2. Almost all children on our planet are beaten in the first years of their lives. They learn from the start violence, and this lesson is wired into their developing brains. No child is ever born violent. Violence is NOT genetic, it exists because beaten children use, in their adult lives, the lesson that their brains have learned.

3. As beaten children are not allowed to defend themselves, they must suppress their anger and rage against their parents who have humiliated them, killed their inborn empathy, and insulted their dignity. They will take out this rage later, as adults, on scapegoats, mostly on their own children. Deprived of empathy, some of them will direct their anger against themselves (in eating disorders, drug addiction, depression etc.), or against other adults (in wars, terrorism, delinquency etc.)



Her book http://www.nospank.net/fyog.htm">For Your Own Good (a phrase my father very often used) documents the horrific upbringing recommended by child rearing manuals of past centuries, in particular one which was very popular in Germany in the late 1800's and early 1900's, at the time when those who would become perpetrators of the Nazi holocaust were young children. She documents that all of the perpetrators of the Nazi holocaust, as far as she could tell, had very "strict" upbringings, and she has an http://www.nospank.net/fyog13.htm">entire chapter on Hitler, documenting how he was constantly abused and tormented by his father.

In another article titled http://www.naturalchild.com/alice_miller/political.html">The Political Consequences of Child Abuse she has this to say (scroll down to near the end of the article):


In the lives of all the tyrants I examined, I found without exception paranoid trains of thought bound up with their biographies in early childhood and the repression of the experiences they had been through. Mao had been regularly whipped by his father and later sent 30 million people to their deaths, but he hardly ever admitted the full extent of the rage he must have felt toward his own father, a very severe teacher who had tried through beatings to "make a man" out of his son. Stalin caused millions to suffer and die because even at the height of his power his actions were determined by unconscious infantile fear of powerlessness. Apparently his father, a poor cobbler from Georgia, attempted to drown his frustration with liquor and whipped his son almost every day. His mother displayed psychotic traits, was completely incapable of defending her son and was usually away from home either praying in church or running the priest's household. Stalin idealized his parents right up to the end of his life and was constantly haunted by the fear of dangers that had long since ceased to exist but were still present in his deranged mind. The same might be true of many other tyrants. The groups of people they singled out for persecution and the rationalization mechanisms they employed were different in each case, but the fundamental reason behind it was probably identical. They often drew on ideologies to disguise the truth and their own paranoia. And the masses chimed in enthusiastically because they were unaware of the real motives, including those operative in their own biographies. The infantile revenge fantasies of individuals would be of no account if society did not regularly show such naive alacrity in helping to make them come true.



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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:45 PM
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12. My dear MikeH...
Thank you so much for these links, and those quotes. They are most illuminating...There are facts here that I was not aware of.

So many innocent children pay the price of violent parents. And then we all pay...

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:47 PM
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13. That's very good CaliforniaPeggy
K & R
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 07:41 PM
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15. I'm glad you think so, my dear malaise!
:hi:

Thank you!

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:50 PM
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14. K&R
:hi:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 07:42 PM
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16. Why thank you, my dear Solly Mack!
:hi:
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 10:32 PM
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17. i'm that skinny dude at the end of line
letting everyone else in front of me.
it's a thankless job, but i'm up for it.

You keep up the welcoming CalPeg, and i'll keep up the rear guard, pointing up and ahead.

peace
dp

:thumbsup:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 10:37 PM
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18. My dear dweller!
I appreciate your doing this job more than I can adequately express!

Thank you so much...

Peace to you too...

:hug:

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