Rant...I hope you on the far left and those on the far right are happy with the anger

[Windy]

you are fomenting against a man who has only been in office for less than three months.

He has worked NON STOP trying to fix the mess he was left with in record time. While I don't agree with everything he is doing, I think he is making a herculean effort and I commend him. I believe he has the best interests of the nation at the heart of his actions.

Look around people. The nuts in the country are starting to boil over.

While Obama is the president, he is also a father with two young girls. Think about that when you continue with your over the top anger and rage. Its fine to have disagreements in policy and to voice those concerns in an intelligent and thoughtful manner, and to take intelligent rational steps to try and encourage the goverment to change policy. That is what elections are for.

I believe it is getting dangerous for this man who has barely warmed the sheets in his bed at the whitehouse.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. I think you just mean people on the far right.

The people who disapprove of Obama are the same people who approved of Bush.

It's that constant ~30%.

[Windy]

3. No I don't. Look around DU. nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. I stand by my claim.

I know there are people who disagree.

But I don't believe them.

[Number23]

113. I really don't know how you can read DU every day and still say that

The insanity is coming from both directions. Perhaps not as much as from the left as from the right, but there is still plenty.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

16. "The people who disapprove of Obama are the same people who approved of Bush." ???

You're joking, right?

[SammyWinstonJack]

24. Has too be a joke.

[Warpy]

34. No, April Fool's Day was last week

I think this one is serious.

Sad.

[Runcible Spoon]

91. Sad? Maybe.

I find it more amusing than anything else when trolls project and think nobody notices.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

41. Nope.

Bunch a dumb ass worthless fucks, IMO.

[Ken Burch]

103. I'll have you know I'm a smart, worthwhile fuck.

so there!

[Name removed]

118. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[roguevalley]

43. I am sick of people criticizing people for disagreeing and painting

them with a 'far left' taint. sounds too much like a neo con tactic, to taint anyone who disagrees. Jeez. since when do we have to goose step to the same tune?

[LooseWilly]

110. I'm a smart, semi-worthwhile, far-left fuck...

Just so we can get the labelling straight for the name tags...

[Djinn]

117. I'm an active far left fuck

who couldn't care less whether that particular poster finds me worthwhile or not - with that closed a mind I'd be very surprised if he's actually seen these responses to his eminently worthy post

[patrice]

22. Indeed! And they belong to ANYONE who gives them what they want - POWER.

Read that "unpatriotic and possibly treasonous".

Are we, or are we not, something called "America"?

[pleah]

49. Fascism knows no party. If you are not a

goose-stepper, you are anti-Obama. This is exactly the attitude that the Bush regime held. I see no difference now.

I like Obama, but I won't keep my mouth shut when I know something isn't right.

[Windy]

65. Glen? Is that you? I dont agree with O 100% of the time, but inflammatory lunacy isn't helpful! nt

[pleah]

69. According to you?

:shrug:

[patrice]

77. Agreed, with the caveat that the 2nd highest intention of Truth should always be to persuade.

The first being to Honestly BE the truth and the second to seek truth - full co - operation, if not from those addressed directly, at least from the audience.

[bluestateguy]

2. The far left hated FDR too

They thought he was too cozy with big business.

[FiveGoodMen]

6. "Far left" is subjective

and is usually used by the right to marginalize anyone who doesn't side with them.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

60. would "far right" be subjective, then, too?

:eyes:

[FiveGoodMen]

62. Yes it would.

What I consider far right and what, say, Chris Matthews considers far right are undoubtedly different.

Unless there is an agreed-upon definition of these terms, they are subjective.

Keep your rolling eyes to yourself.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

74. if you would have made it clear that you feel this way about both sides

i wouldn't have had to roll my eyes.

[FiveGoodMen]

75. You could have just asked...

[eowyn_of_rohan]

84. you're right

peace

[ZombieHorde]

23. The whole "race camp" thing was even worse. nt

[eridani]

101. The "far left" was responsible for pushing FDR into the New Dea n/t

[FiveGoodMen]

4. "I believe he has the best interests of the nation at the heart of his actions"

And we all HOPE that's true.

But...

* Against looking into BushCo's crimes
* Against ending the War On Drugs
* Escalating the war in Afghanistan
* Against the only form of health-care that works
* Continuing the border fence that Bush started
* Continuing signing statements
* Continuing Warrantless Wiretaping
* Possibly helping the financial sector rob us of the last few bucks in the treasury

[Just-plain-Kathy]

17. Great post. Simple and to the point. n/t

[Mari333]

19. thumbs up

[Nay]

71. Thanks, Five. Good list. And i voted for the guy happily.

[patrice]

5. If he attempts a real solution to our financial crisis, they will do to him what they did to JFK.

for the SAME reason.

[patrice]

26. P.S. Perhaps this is one of the reasons he NEEDS the warantless listening power?

[leftstreet]

7. DU Rules: Loyalty Threads are only allowed in GD:STFU

n/t

[billyoc]

9. We are. Thanks for asking.

[ProgressIn2008]

94. Heh, you made me chortle. nt

[EFerrari]

10. The far left?! lol

[Mari333]

18. guess you are too far left if you want to keep the 4th amendment intact

ah well, theres always a few LEAVE OBAMA ALONE! threads everyday.

[Mari333]

11. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5427188&mesg_id=5428012

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. We're supposed to be angry when the government screws up.

Obama is no less accountable than any other public servant and it is our responsibility to hold him to account.

[patrice]

28. And to do that effectively, it would be a good idea to understand his

(possible) motives and goals, so valid alternatives can be promulgated.

[EFerrari]

48. Dissent is of itself valuable in a democracy. And, iirc, some of the same people

dissenting right now, including me, were already watching the security situation during the campaign when Sarah Palin was holding Klan rallies. To blame us for it is ridiculous.

[patrice]

78. It isn't you/us on whom I project concerns for the President's security.

I'm wondering about the terms of certain private deals that could be made by those disinclined to allow Barack Obama to become President and yet seeking at least quasi-solutions to certain problems, from a winner, while maintaining as much control as possible. Saying, for example, in so many words, "Yes, you may be pResident and receive n financial and political-system support for your campaign, in exchange for which we will allow you, as President, to do w, x, and y about our problems, which will make it possible for you to also do z (say, e.g., start a truly national bank), but we are against you doing z, because if you do attempt z, there will be certain impossible to identify consequences that you and others will certainly regret", in effect, holding the country and possibly even the president's life hostage, without actually exactly saying so. Under what terms would a potential President enter into such a gamble, except to also have a mutually agreed upon method of monitoring "the deal"?

[BeFree]

85. ABC

A: there are people who would look to coerce a president

B: no one gets to be president these days without the backing of PTB.

C: Obama is having to make a deal with the devil. He is not the devil.

[patrice]

86. Precisely. Trans-national Corporations are very Real and quite Old.

[EFerrari]

99. Understood but the OP does. And, I agree with you about this, patrice. n/t

[truedelphi]

37. Yes, indeed-y. We certainly are supposed to be angry.

Bill Moyers offers us proof that all is not well inside the Economic Bailouts that Obama has resposnibility for. Both the far left, the far right and the center is paying attention to the Moyers-Black interview.

Obama has inspired trust, and in his deliroious decisions to offer up Main Street's last dime to Wall Street interests, he is betraying that trust.

[xchrom]

13. you really have -- um -- interesting thoughts about obama...

'I believe it is getting dangerous for this man who has barely warmed the sheets in his bed at the whitehouse.'

maybe a different hobby?

[HamdenRice]

14. "first black criminal president" was a line TODAY from one of our own nutters

I sometimes think that the more outre wackos criticizing Obama must never have worked one day in a bureaucracy to say some of the things they are saying.

One of the hardest jobs right now has to be Holder's. The Bush administration perverted well respected and long running legal principals to cover up their criminal behavior. There are many cases in which the Obama administration has "inherited" cases in which the Bush administration was defending criminal behavior with legitimate governmental defenses.

Now how does Holder reverse course in those cases without reversing decades of legal precedent?

Can he even begin to figure out how to do so without reading every single page of documents generated in those cases so far -- every deposition, every motion, every court decision.

Then he has to go back to the existing precedent of federal opinions about the principles being litigated in those cases.

My guestimate from prior experience is that each case requires reading through 10 file cabinets of about 5 feet each. Let's see, 10 file cabinests = about 360,000 pages of documents per case.

WHY HAVEN'T THEY READ ALL 360,000 PAGES -- PER CASE -- ALREADY AND MADE THEIR DECISIONS -- THE DLC STOOGES!!!

Do these people have any clue how much time it takes to review the documents on one case?

I'd be shocked if a dozen lawyers and paralegals could get through the paper generated in one case in a month.

All this then has to be funneled up to the Attorney General for a decision, and we're talking about hundreds of cases.

The bitching is coming I believe from people who have never worked in this kind of setting and believe that Holder or Obama can snap their fingers and reverse course on hundreds of policies.

[EFerrari]

15. His name is Holder and I myself worked with Federal cases for years. n/t

[ima_sinnic]

66. oh blah blah blah, there is no excuse for steamrolling the constitution

the guantanamo detainees have been held for years without even being charged with anything while being tortured. That in and of itself means their cases should be dismissed.

and it would take soooo long to put an end to warrantless wiretapping! but I guess it will take someone who is NOT a fake "constitutional scholar" to do that.

[HamdenRice]

119. When you post incorrect information, you undercut your argument

The Guantanamo detainees have to be separated into the innocent and prisoners of war with all rights under the Geneva Convention -- not released without inquiry.

If you think Obama is "a fake" constitutional scholar, despite his having taught constitutional law and University of Chicago Law School, then why should anyone take your opinion seriously?

[DCKit]

128. 360K pages? I could review that in a month - by myself.

Litigation support (esp. document review) was a booming business until * took the WH.

If they can't read that fast, I'm more than willing.

[bread_and_roses]

20. er...what "far left?"

I used to laugh out loud whan I saw that term used here, but it's too tired and stale now, in case you were trying to make a joke? Who's "far left" around here? Those who support workers over the banksters? The people over the blood-sucking insurers? The constitution over the "Homeland" security apparatus? To name a few little items over which I am "angry."

There's a difference between disagreement and anger, and a difference between anger and rage too. And just who made you the exact arbiter of an "intellegent and thoughtful manner?" Nor does either preclude anger, nor is either mandatory, nor are they the only effective means of protest or activism. Humor can work. Outrageous can work. Civil disobediance can work. Even inarticulate can work - "The common wo/man in the street" is not always a wordsmith, but often works.

There are those out there who's actions sure look like an incitement to violence, and I worry about them too, and their effect. Were I a prayer, I'd pray for safety for Obama and his family; as it is, hope has to suffice. But I see none such here, or never for longer than it takes to deliver the pizza. I see no "far left" voices in the mainstream news, nor here, nor on Alternet, nor on Commondreams, nor nor nor.

"Both left and right are guilty" is easy, has been taught to us by the false "balance" of the corporate media, but is rarely accurate.

edit for left-out word (look)

[Canuckistanian]

129. Yes, I'd like a solid definition of "hard left"

"The Left" has been used for decades by conservatives as a code word implying radical Molotov-cocktail throwing tree-hugging anarchists from the 60s. But that was then.

What is the definition of a hard-left liberal today??

Mostly what I see today are TRUE MODERATE people PISSED OFF with the CONSTANT rightward slide of America ever since Reagan.

And they're getting denounced as "HARD LEFT" in order to paint them as out-of-control vocal minorities who maerit no attention.

Don't be fooled people. It's time to move those Right/Left goalposts back where they belong.

[patrice]

21. Tune Trolls Out = TTO!!! Don't give them power, unless you WANT to, that is, in which case

you need to leave here.

[ZombieHorde]

25. Don't forget about the people in the middle and their angry threads about the people on the fringe.

You should hope for them as well.

[cherish44]

27. Some people live in fantasy world

ALL politicians are serve their big business overlords and that's never going to change no matter how much you bitch about it.


"Marge...you live in a world of flowers and bells and leprechauns and talking frogs wearing funny hats..." Homer J. Simpson

[blindpig]

126. 'never going to change'

That's encouraging. Resistance is futile! Lemme go step in front of that truck....

I think not.

It's going to change, it has to change, not because it's what I or other want but because it is what is needed for survival at the very least.

[scarletwoman]

130. Thanks, bp -- Yes, it HAS to change!

I can't believe anyone would take the position that, "Yes, the way things are truly sucks, but that's just the way things are, so stop complaining."

Thank goodness there have been people throughout history who HAVEN'T been willing to just settle for letting things remain as is.

sw

[firedupdem]

29. Thanks Windy,

I too am feeling some of the craziness is over the top. I support the President and think he's doing a great job so far. While I don't understand or agree with everything, I know I didn't help elect a crook or someone only out for himself. I understand your concern about his safety too. There are a lot of nuts being stirred up by these talking heads. I pray for his safety everyday and hate to think of those little girls being without a father. I grew up on the south side of Chicago, and if this guy was about big business he could have moved out amongst the richest years ago. He and Michelle truly care about the middle class and I'm giving him a chance to work out all the mess left by the previous administration plus the new problems that come up daily. No president in recent history has 2 wars plus a busted economy to deal with on day one. He's more than capable of handling it and I'm giving him room to get it done.

[Pastiche423]

76. What has he done so far that is great?

[eridani]

102. He's done plenty of very good things

That, however, however does not let him off the hook for doing the equivalent of hiring arsonists to put out fires, which he is doing with the financial sector mess.

[omega minimo]

30. Your cliches of who is criticizing may be off. Meanwhile, one question:

"Its fine to have disagreements in policy and to voice those concerns in an intelligent and thoughtful manner, and to take intelligent rational steps to try and encourage the goverment to change policy. That is what elections are for. "

No matter the topic, isn't it appropriate for citizens to "try and encourage the goverment to change policy" between elections? :thumbsup:

[lumberjack_jeff]

31. I don't see much "over the top anger and rage" directed toward Obama at DU.

At least the "leave Brittney alone" guy had a legitimate point.

[FLAprogressive]

32. Same thread different name

[frylock]

33. feel free to mix in a little grey..

fixing the mess using the people who created it is not a viable option. you'll have to explain what his daughters have to do with legitimate concerns regarding his policies.

[Stinky The Clown]

35. Your cheerleader suit is wrinkled ........

[Donnachaidh]

61. ....

:spray:

I HAVE to nick this photo -- I'm itching to photoshop....

[alarimer]

36. Well I AM agry with him for appointing such complete scumbags.

And I am very, very pissed at the stances taken regarding secrecy. Completely opposite to what he promised during the campaign. So I am guessing Obama is just another lying scumbag politician who says anything to get elected. So I am heartily sick of posts like this, telling me to be patient. Bullshit. I don't like the direction things are going. It is completely wrong and Obama has proven himself a liar.

[Skittles]

38. you are getting nuttier by the day

[Political Heretic]

109. Seriously, I am glad someone else has been noticing the evolution..

[FiveGoodMen]

39. Look at this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x294960

[Starry Messenger]

40. GD:P is leaking again, I see.

Time to check the containment field.

[SammyWinstonJack]

52. .

:spray:

[Javaman]

42. AKA: if you don't have anything good to say, STFU. thanks, I've been warned.

:eyes:

[livefreest]

44. civil disagreement is needed

[AtomicKitten]

45. There is a lot of flailing about going on, but I think it's to be expected.

Change is underway, still in progress, and it's became a national sport to second guess, backseat drive, and go off on a prediction of gloom and doom. That goes for both sides of the spectrum.

[fascisthunter]

46. sorry... but you moderates (conservatives) let the right wing take over

and helped create the mess more than anyone on the left. Nice try flame baiting, but you failed.

[Individualist]

88. Hear, hear!

[Stinky The Clown]

47. How does this sorry shit make it to the Greatest Page?

Cheerleaders, that's how.

:eyes:

[noiretextatique]

50. the radical/crazy right wing is the only group threatening obama

howevern, i believe obama would agree that he needs constructive criticism and i know he wants it.
history should be your guide in this situation. the murderers of JFK, MLK, and RFK (among others) weren't "far leftists."

[slay]

51. I will NOT be TOLD I HAVE to support EVERYTHING Obama says or does.

Why does it matter to you anyways? This is DemocraticUnderground - not IWorshipObamaLand. As a free thinking individual I know right from wrong when I see it and Obama covering up the crimes of the Bush Administration is WRONG. It has nothing to do with far left - it has to do with right and wrong. Have you read the TORTURE report by the Red Cross? If the Republicans were refusing to do something about this you would be LIVID and you know it. It is you who are in the wrong here for being Obama's blind cheerleader - no offense. Don't get me wrong - I want Obama to succeed and be a GREAT president - but he can only do that by doing the right thing and letting the Bush Administration get a free pass on documented TORTURE as well as their other crimes like the wiretapping is wrong, and likely criminal in the legal sense of the word. I have hopes that Obama will turn out to be a man of the people, and not the man of the corporations that he is looking like now.

*on edit - on reading some of the other replies to this thread - I too do not see hatred fueled anger toward Obama from DU - it's more disappointment. I think your issue is with Glenn Beck - try telling your concerns to him. :eyes:

[Windy]

58. Where did my original post every say that? I don't agree with everything O does either!

Your narrow attitude toward anyone that still wants to give the guy a break as he has only been in office for a little over two months is just dispicable and fuels the fire.

[slay]

59. ooooh my attitude is "dispicable" huh?

awww sweetie how do you want to "give the guy a break"? guess what - he doesn't work at no motherfuckin wendys restaurant he's the president of the united states! it's not like he can STOP being president - he wanted the job - now he has it. oh noes it's a gonna be tough being president who'lda thunk it? we have to hold him to high standards and you will NEVER make me feel like i'm "fueling some fire" agaisnt obama cause i "don't want to give the guy a break". sigh... why don't we just agree you think for you and i'll think for me ok? sorry if you think i misinterpreted your original post - i put my edit in there just for YOU so you'ld see i cared but no worries - anyways, that's how your post came off to me. either way, i won't post any more replies to this thread unless you reply to me first. later.

[Windy]

64. Again, irrational anger. So sad for a party that was supposed to be about mature debate and

intelligent ideas. How low can it get.

[anaxarchos]

73. That was VERY rational. n/t

[Pastiche423]

79. That was BULLSHIT

[anaxarchos]

87. "Bullshit" was not one of the choices... n/t

[Pastiche423]

96. Yet, you chose it

[LooseWilly]

108. No, he reaffirmed that it was a rational argument. (n/t)

There can be argument over how correct it might be... but it wasrational.

[slay]

123. Lets see.. it gets about as low as your RANT counting as "mature debate"

OHHHHH SNAP! You got pwned! (and yes i am mocking you at this point.. stop trying to control what other people think sheesh...)

[Threedifferentones]

53. So what you are saying is...

That anyone who disagrees with Obama is either a freeper or dangerously "radical." If I agree with you about OBama, I am a sound progressive, if not I am "on the fringe."

What a load of crap. Reasonable people always suspect that politicians are selfishly motivated, no matter what good feelings their charming speeches evoke. From where I am standing, it is pretty clear Obama has no intention of really reordering our society. He intends to let wealthy liars keep their control over our country. If pointing that out makes me "far left," I am proud to be so. You can come up with all the excuses in the world for him, but ultimately those of us who hoped for truly structural changes to our "predatory" economy, instead of another face lift, clearly have cause to be disappointed.

[mimitabby]

54. the danger

it isn't just dangerous for the president. the rage is also making this country more dangerous for all of us. I think rabble rousers ought to shut their traps. Enough is enough. shake tea bags.

[butterfly77]

55. Kick &Recommended!

[Windy]

56. Interesting responses. Anger. You missed the part where I said that I didn't agree 100% with O

I guess that is what is called selective "listening".

I find it totally amazing that anyone who wants to give the man a shot while disagreeing with some things his administration has done is a CHEERLEADER!

Our society is deteriorating.

And elections are the place to make change. Also, call and write the administration and congress. There is no cause to ramp up the anger to the frenzy displayed here and the even worse situation that is being created in the country by the media and blogs. Hysteria is not democracy.

[ima_sinnic]

63. hey, I'm ANGRY about being LIED TO, okay?

one BIG lie was that habeas corpus was going to be restored, and the Gitmo detainees were going to be treated humanely and get "fair trials" (but how can anyone who has been tortured get a "fair trial"?).
Here's how that's going:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/yesterday_we_told_you_about.php

and what about "restoration of the constitution" by a so-called "constitutional scholar"? Warrantless wiretapping is a blatant violation of the 4th Amendment, but I guess since the slick-talking "Democratic" "change" man does it, it's okay? If I were a student in his "constitutional law" class, I'd be demanding a refund of my tuition! sheesh. what a fucking fraud.

so excuse me, but maybe the family man should have just stayed home with his family instead of pretending he was some big alternative to bushco. because fucking around with constitutional rights is a deal-breaker for me. He also dismissed legalization of marijuana as a joke, which also pissed me off, as well as single-payer universal health care because it would "raise taxes," which shows who he really cares about--those wall street con artists he had over for a very nice lunch the other day--the ones whose pockets he's so gladly lining with our tax dollars. These things I might even tolerate, and hope that he could be persuaded to change -- but blatantly violating the constitution and acting like now he, like bush, is above the law, just doesn't cut it.

[EFerrari]

68. You really have a problem with free speech and anger, don't you?

[scarletwoman]

80. "...elections are the place to make change." You are sadly mistaken. Elections are nothing more than

elaborate shows put on by the Ruling Class to fool the proles into thinking that they have a voice in how the country is run. It's bullshit, our politicians are bought and owned by Big Business and they serve the Owner Class, not us.

Obama was owned by Wall Street long before he ever announced his candicacy. His election was a triumph of modern marketing, nothing more.

Sure, he seems like a nice guy and all, but that doesn't mean shit if his policies suck. And his policies suck. He's just another Imperial manager, keeping the MIC and Wall Street happy.

Instead of ragging on people, maybe you ought to try waking the fuck up.

"If voting changed things, it would be illegal." Emma Goldman

sw

[Djinn]

107. every day at DU

my girl crush on SW gets bigger.

I nearly choked when I read that "...elections are the place to make change" line, only by willful ignorance at this point could anyone fall for that

[SammyWinstonJack]

120. !

:applause:

[tandot]

57. K & R

Thanks,Windy!

[Laelth]

67. Those of us on the left feel the need to hold his feet to the fire.

Sorry you don't approve.

:dem:

-Laelth

[bvar22]

70. I have never observed a "Far Left" member of DU.

I have never seen anyone advocate for the confiscation of all private property and having the citizens organized into collectives.

The farthest "Left" DUers I know are supporters of Kucinich and Sanders, who are really quite moderate in terms of the political spectrum. Calling them "Far Left" is a framing error committed by Low Information Voters or propagandists.

[roamer65]

89. Bingo. I'm about as far left as there is on DU.

I am a democratic socialist and advocate a mixed economy, similar to those of the Eurozone. I will judge Obama in the voting booth in November 2012 on how much progress he has made on socialized medicine and other such issues.

[muriel_volestrangler]

115. No, there are a few DUers much further to the left than that

I've seen a maximum wage advocated here; nationalization of all industry and commerce; and the abolition of owning any land (ie we all live in homes built and owned by the government). Also, you are democratic; in this thread alone, I can see 2 people saying elections never count, since they are always controlling by 'the Ruling Classes'. See, there are DUers further left than you, and much further left than any current western or central European country (I won't say 'than all European countries' - Belarus is fairly far left).

[bvar22]

135. I guess you could find one or two who are way out there,

...but there is not near enough to say that there is a "Far Left" community at DU.

Questioning the integrity of our elections is neither Left nor Right.

[muriel_volestrangler]

136. When the post questioning elections includes this:

"Obama was owned by Wall Street long before he ever announced his candicacy. His election was a triumph of modern marketing, nothing more.

Sure, he seems like a nice guy and all, but that doesn't mean shit if his policies suck. And his policies suck. He's just another Imperial manager, keeping the MIC and Wall Street happy."

I think you can say that's from far to the left of Obama.

[Runcible Spoon]

92. After living in Buenos Aires for two years...

it's pretty sad what passes for "left" in the US, even on DU. And Argentina isn't even that leftist in the spectrum of Latin American governments!

[Djinn]

116. I'm an anarchosyndicalist

so considerably further to the left of Kucinich and have no problem at all with people calling me far left, but there's maybe 10 people out of thousands at DU who could really be described that way outside of the ridiculously narrow frame of acceptable US politics. In most of the world the predominant views on DU would be classed (accurately) as centre left, and as you say it's only low information that makes it seem to some to be otherwise.

[Sebastian Doyle]

72. So where's the organized push for this sort of shit coming from?

Paid operative cheerleaders have been hitting all the liberal talk radio shows this week, a couple of particularly hysterical ones called Mike Malloy. Ironically, they sounded just as desperate as the paid PUMA operatives that were harrassing the Liberal radio shows against Obama around this same time last year, when it was clear he was beating Hillary in the primaries.

Both groups of paid callers were full of shit. Fuck the cheerleading. When Obama does something right, I will say so. When he does something wrong (i.e continue the illegal unconstitutional policies of the Bush Crime Family) I will say so. I didn't spend the last 8 years calling out the Chimp to remain silent when "our" guy fucks up.

[Individualist]

90. It's probably coming from DLC

Typical bloviation, insults, demands, and desperation.

[roamer65]

81. I think we need to read what Theodore Roosevelt said on this issue in 1918.

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

"Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149
May 7, 1918

I criticized the idiot Bush incessantly for his stupidity during his term and I will criticize Obama when I think he has made incorrect decisions as well. So far, there is no comparison between the idiot and Obama.

[Luminous Animal]

82. I'm not angry about most things...

I plod along with the democratic (small "d") agenda that I've been plodding along with for years if not decades. No more wars... we've bombed a crap load of countries since WWII. Support for unions, expansion of the social safety net, single-payer health care, decriminalization of most drugs and drug treatment on demand, 100% gay and lesbian rights, family leave, free college education, main street not wall street...

I didn't stop believing in and striving for these things during Carter and Clinton. Why should Obama get a pass?

Sure, Obama is the father of two young girls, he is also the father of two young girls you are guaranteed to take their place within the top 15% of this nations elite and the top 2% of the world's.

Political activism is not restricted to elections only.

[mudesi]

83. K & R. Obama Is Doing A FANTASTIC Job

[TBF]

93. The First Amendment was adopted on December 15, 1791.

The Amendment states:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

[ProgressIn2008]

95. My my, a new tactic: criticism is fomenting violence against a politician? Interesting. nt

[ProgressIn2008]

97. Oh yeah, and extra bonus point for the "ZOMG, think of his children!!"

:eyes:

[Bluebear]

98. "I hope. I think. I commend. I believe."

:crazy:

[eridani]

100. Anyone who uses the term "far left" is no different from Limbaugh or Hannity

Insisting that tax payers bail out homeownere and not the sociopathic shitstains that got us into this mess is not "far left." It is mainstream.

[Djinn]

104. wtf

he has children so his shiteous policies shouldn't be criticised?

Please let us know how long people have to wait before their completely legitimate criticisms can be enunciated.

This is pathetic coming from people who like to think of themselves as activists.

[Hannah Bell]

105. "The nuts in the country are starting to boil over. "

And you think it's because some people on the "far left" & "far right" are bad-mouthing Obama?

[Political Heretic]

106. It's not about SPEED its about DIRECTION. And fuck you for comparing people here to hate groups

The overwhelming majority of people here voice disagreements in policy in an intelligent and thoughtful manner.

Your hyperbolic sensationalism is totally transparent and you need to grow up.

[slay]

124. Agreed

100%

[Two Americas]

111. truly destructive

There is no "far left" here. You are using that as a smear, and that is red-baiting - a favorite tactic of the extreme right wing.

No one here is doing or saying anything that threatens the life of the presidency, and shame on you for smearing those who happen to disagree with you with that insinuation.

"Herculean effort" means nothing in and of itself. Many very bad leaders worked very hard at what they did. Where a politician is going is what matters, not how hard they are working to get there.

This is the latest in a long and sorry line of attempts at rousing the mob to intimidate and harass critics and shut down any chance for a free and open discussion.



...

[JDPriestly]

112. He needs to get the indictments issued now. That just cannot wait.

He promised the rule of law. He proclaimed that no man is above the law. So where are the indictments against those who so blatantly broke the law in the Bush administration? Obama does not have the right to compromise on at least an attempt at equal justice for all.

[Hippo_Tron]

114. Fact is that Obama's opposition on the left is pretty marginal

It mostly consists of internet sites and Paul Krugman. The left isn't really a roadblock to anything Obama wants to get done. The right, on the other hand, is because they control the Republican Party and a good chunk of the media.

I will say how it is funny that the anti-establishment left sounds a lot like the anti-establishment right on some issues.

[sendero]

121. I'm anything but far left..

... I own a dozen firearms and I think unions are great as long as EVERYBODY belongs to one, unsustainable otherwise.

That said I could not disagree more with Obama's banker bailout. It doesn't matter than he's been here 80+ days, the die was cast when he picked Summers, virtually an archhitect of this mess, and Geithner, who sat on his thumbs as NY Fed while this crime happened under his nose.

I know Obama is very bright and I believe he is trying to do right. So, I'm left with only one conclusion - either he is bought like most pols, or he is a puppet like Bush was.

Either way it is going to be a rough decade for America, the crap he's doing economically is not only not going to work, it is actively making things worse and don't take my word for it many, many economists have come out with the same opinion.

So, if I'm supposed to agree with him because he is not a Republican, well fuck that shit - that's for freepers.

[SammyWinstonJack]

125. If he's bought ( I believe that he is) then he is a puppet.

[WhollyHeretic]

122. Won't somebody please think of the children!

Since he has young children then people shouldn't criticize him? Sorry no. He is the president and open to criticism when he does something wrong. It doesn't matter if he has fifty children. Of course your whole premise is a load of crap.

[SlingBlade]

127. K & R

Right On the Dime :yourock: :toast:

Less than three months and he's responsible for every goddamed Bush fuck up
since being appointed in 01.

WTF, There ARE things to be concerned about, But this unending stream of Obama Bashing
is almost pathological in nature. Look at it from the perspective of a Freeper....

They gotta be loving what has been going on here on D.U the past several weeks
Makes their job, Oh, so much easier, Doesn't it, free thinkers :spank:




In Obama I Trust !
:kick:

[ima_sinnic]

133. please "defend" his LIE about restoring habeas corpus, then

-- and also his unconstitutional and illegal continued surveillance of the American people with warrantless wiretaps -- is he, or is he not, a "constitutional scholar"?

PS: I predict you will be soon joining the ranks of the disillusioned. Some people just catch a later clue train. It seems they're leaving the station more and more frequently now.

[Boomerang Diddle]

131. +1

:thumbsup:

[tomp]

132. in no way does my criticism advocate or condone harm against the man.

and your suggestion that it does really sucks. you ought to be ashamed of yourself for making such a suggestion, but i doubt you have the required intelligence for such an act.

[WillyT]

134. It's Just That... The Anger On The Left Is Totally Justified...

After the last eight\fourteen\twenty-eight years...

I'll leave forgiveness to you enlightened types.

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