Sentence the pirates to death, converted to long term community service.

[Gman2]

They must work as hard for their people, as they do as pirates. They will be tasked unto death, to equitably distribute our aid. They will become the framework for ongoing tasks, as they become able. Give them the verdict, DEATH. With extenuiating circumstances. Enlist all the pirate crews to do for their country, as they CLAIM. They CANNOT dissagree. And yes, keep a close eyeye on them to keep them honest. Those crews are responsible to see that no other crews get started. They will be charged with toxic cleanup. Patrols. Environmental protection. They are very hardy, well fed, and lucid. Or not, with that leaf. They get trained for action. OR DIE! What would you choose? They can become honored members of the community. For their better selves.

[Oregone]

1. How liberal of you

Maybe some of them would be productive farmers and fishers if their land wasn't fucked. They are doing the most productive thing they can for their people now, believe it or not.


BTW, your post assumes a lot. Just to let you know: its not our fucking country.

[dkf]

2. Kidnapping people and stealing is a productive occupation?

Are you kidding me?

Next you will be telling me dealing drugs is a good thing.

[Gman2]

4. I am as hardass as anyone on pirates. But

we can do better if we retire the whole class of them instantly. And when I say WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I mean a unified front of all those that might like their food and clothing in the ships the pirates take. Our continued increased aid will continue as long as there are no pirates. The people will burn any pirate to the ground, if they act as pirates.

[Oregone]

5. Dealing drugs isn't a "good" thing normally (Depending on the drug)

But it is a "good" method to obtain wealth for one's family and community if all other means are deprived. That is called "understanding". When opportunity is not present, desperation and poverty breed depravity; criminal enterprise is sure to arise. But are these sub-human criminal killers deservant of a conditional death penalty, or are they merely humans in different conditions?

What they are doing is siphoning wealth from developed nations (which comes mostly from insurance companies built on fraudulent criminal activity in the first place), and injecting it into their dysfunctional economy. They can no longer build wealth farming and fishing, and their agricultural base is essentially destroyed, so this remains perhaps the most "viable" method of building wealth. It isn't that it is "good" or "right", but rather, logical since their backs are against a wall. The wealth they are "building" is but a fraction of the wealth built in the last decade by the elite criminals in the United States, who are laughing their way to the bank over it (are you calling for their death penalties?). Sometimes, morality becomes frail and relative when you have a family to feed (or a country to feed). I imagine a good number of pirates would work at their local Walmart if given the opportunity.

The deamonizing of these people is but a tool the world's elite (many who engage in criminal activity) are using to protect their wealth and property. Please, don't be their tool. At least not for free, eh?

[Gman2]

7. blah blah blah

It's not about US, to them. Give them real purpose. They are said to be desperate people that have no choice for their communities. Give them BETTER opportunities to help both their communities, and themselves. AUSTRALIA, we must remember, was started by CRIMINALS!

[Oregone]

9. "blah, blah, blah" that you can believe in!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7740417.stm

There isn't much to hope for. Please read that.

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1CHMC_enCA305CA305&q=somalia+farming+fishing+toxic+waste+pirates&btnG=Search&meta=

Please don't be so judgmental. How can we address this problem if we don't understand it or its origins.

On a tangent...Give them this, give them that. The world, hope, and freedom is the US's to give. Strange attitude by the way. I guess you just ruffled my feathers with the OP about the death penalty (ya know, most developing nations don't have death penalties). And you want to fix Somalia with a conditional one? Ug? And for those who don't want to clean toxic shit, kill em? Its not even their toxic waste to clean.

[Gman2]

3. MY point, There is plenty of

make work in a failed state. And it doesnt cost that much. Less than CONSTANT warships. If something costs far less to do good, then do good. They are the kind of individuals that would thrive in those tasks. They SAY they dont like killing and death. SO, make the situation better for them and theri people, to be honest and productive.

[Oregone]

6. "And it doesnt cost that much. Less than CONSTANT warships."

I highly doubt it. Run the numbers. They probably have low overhead and massive profits (compared especially to our modern military).

[Gman2]

8. UNLESS THE PEOPLE EAT< YOU ARE NEVER SAFE!

Evah Evah

[Oregone]

10. Yeah, and so?

Piracy does contribute to their GDP. Unfortunately, the disparity of wealth remains a problem, even with the money obtained.

[Gman2]

11. The people have to eat anyway?

It seems rather simple to me. Pay less to have them honest. Use them to enforce rule of law, in a just fashion, befitting those that are not perfect themselves. And know so. Death penalty. This would be their big chance. They have to eat?

[Oregone]

12. You have no issue controlling people with a death penalty?

Especially those who were influenced into their occupation by the lack of opportunity?

1) Why would the world community that rejects the barbaric death penalty get behind this...

or rather...

2) If it is only the US, what "right" do they have to do this?

I think its admirable of you to be promoting a death penalty to protect the interests and property of the wealthy and elite around the world (who can otherwise not defend themselves), and it shows you truly care for your fellow banker. But there are probably more effective approaches than using barbarism to change the world.

We could always load a nuke up and say, "be productive or we will launch it". Hell...why not? "Be productive, damn you all!"

[dkf]

13. If they can pirate why can't they fish? I think your argument about farming is BS.

If they want an occupation that necessitates them unlawfully threatening to kill others, then they should be fully prepared to die themselves.

Or should we feel bad and just give up our boats and say oh, that's okay, I'm sure we have insurance.

Sorry. I have zero sympathy.

[Oregone]

15. You didn't read this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7740417.stm

Fishing stocks are deplete by international commercials fisheries. Their waters are destroyed by toxic dumping, which also impacted their entire farming sector.

BTW, fun fact about someone who promotes dumping toxic waste on Africa:

http://www.whirledbank.org/ourwords/summers.html

Does that name sound familiar?


"Sorry. I have zero sympathy."

Well fuck you very much.

[dkf]

16. They get close to the ships because there are other fishing vessels around.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5434586

That means there are fish, which means they have no excuse.

If there were no fish, ergo no fishing vessels, they would look conspicuous enough to blow out of the water early on..

[Lyric]

18. Your post assumes a lot as well.

These aren't Robin Hood pirates stealing from the rich and giving these things to the poor. These are selfish people who steal and keep the profits for themselves and their own household members are the only ones who benefit. Some of the things they steal are U.N. aid shipments that WOULD have been distributed for free to those in need in places like Somalia. Instead, those aid shipments get hijacked and stolen and people are forced to pay for what might have sustained them for free.

They are hurting the poorest of their country. This is unforgivable. I am no defender of corporate rapists, but they aren't JUST hitting corporate ships. They're stealing food aid, medicines, and other survival necessities that are desperately needed (and thus hot-button fodder for black market sales.)

I would be more inclined to sympathize with them if they were sharing their largess with the rest of their starving, desperate nation, but they are not. Enriching already-wealthy warlords doesn't do the people of Somalia any good. I completely oppose the dumping and fish-stealing going on in Somali waters, but this piracy is just as bad in its own way, as it has become a serious obstacle in getting food and aid to people who actually NEED it, as opposed to pirates and their warlord employers who steal and use the profits to oppress the poor and subject them to primitive, militant tyranny.

[DeadEyeDyck]

14. Is anyone else calling bullshit on this whole pirate story...

I saw a close of the life-boat and there ain't one eye-patch or parrot amongst the lot of 'em. Well one guy did have a hook.


Arrrrggg!

[Mari333]

17. they could get a gig with American Idol

yohoho

[HelenWheels]

19. Wrong about the toxic clean up

The ones that dumped the toxic waste should be the ones that clean it up.