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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:03 PM Original message |
Pres Obama should pardon Lynndie England. |
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choie (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. So, the "rank and file" torturers should not be held accountable |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
51. I think the rank and file should all be held accountable, not just one. |
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Tab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
2. I disagree |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Was there any evidence she participated in real torture |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Over the top compared to what? |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
3. I think she got just the right sentence |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
4. IMHO, it's either BOTH or NEITHER. |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Sounds right to me |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. Please follow my strange logic. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. The rank-and-file cannot be expected to refuse an "illegal order" and risk summary execution ... |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Sounds like you are rationalizing the “just following orders” defense. |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Another fact |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. "...especially one who's country you illegally invaded"?? |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Nobody's scapegoating anybody here |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Thanks for the view from the cheap seats. |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. What game would that be? |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 12:12 AM Response to Reply #45 |
56. do you hold this view of every topic TN? |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Aww... aren't you cute in your superhero suit? Did your mommy make that for you? |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 01:29 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. right |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. So do you think it unfair that Ms. England is the only one prosecuted? nm |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. She wasn't the only one, really ... but, yes, I do. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:10 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Yes I agree. nm |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. You assume the rank and file aren't coerced into following the order |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. Exactly. Do you think Ms. England was coerced? nm |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 03:59 AM Response to Reply #37 |
60. In her case, probably not... |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
41. Mr. Holder is counting on your "both or neither" opinion. He says he doesn't think the |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. I think they both should be punished. |
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Onceuponalife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
6. This is an unfortunate example |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. It's not the stupids like England that worries me, it's the sadistic. nm |
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Onceuponalife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
49. Yes, but it's the stupids who are most easy |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
7. agreed |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
9. no way |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. But why should she bear the burden? Oh that's right S C A P E G O A T. nm |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. the photos alone incriminate her, Article 3 Geneva n/t |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Agree. But....why should she be prosecuted while the others given a free pass? nm |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. at least it's a start and a precedent |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. The precedent is that if you are exposed you will be punished, if you are not exposed |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Remember: there will be AGs after Holder |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. She bears responsibility for her portion of these crimes. She could |
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RebelOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Right -- no way. She knew what she was doing. n/t |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
17. No. Lynndie England lost the war for us. |
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lazer47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Saying she lost the war for US, since when was there an US, |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. It wasn't what she did but the fact that she was exposed. Those that exposed her should be blamed |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. "They" have been exposed at the highest levels... |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. So let me get this straight... |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. A thousand times no. I admit my argument in above response is hard to follow, but |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
27. Most idiotic argument ever: "Don't punish *her* for her crime because somebody *else* is going free" |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
28. The utter lack of decency |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
29. No, the "rank and file" torturers should not be given a pardon. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. I can not imagine a sane and decent citizen being capable of torturing. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. Your imaginative inadequacies are relevant to nothing. What she did, however, *is*. |
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geomon666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
31. That excuse didn't work for the nazis and it shouldn't work here either. n/t |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 07:33 AM Response to Reply #31 |
61. How many enlisted men in the German army |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
34. Wow, seems almost no one read your post past the headline... |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Thank you for understanding my post. I don't want Ms. England pardoned. |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
36. Before I read the ICRC Report I'd have said let the small fry go - but not now |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
40. I see where some of you think Holder is protecting the rank and file. BS |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
53. Illegal orders are supposed to be refused. |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
54. Leon Panetta has said that. Not Eric Holder |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
55. some soldiers did refuse |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
57. Do you have a link for your bullshit? I'd love to see what Holder |
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