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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:47 PM
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I hope everyone realizes that the US Navy consisted mostly of Pirates when it started
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 01:59 PM by HamdenRice
We were British colonies protected by the British Navy. When the 13 colonies rebelled, they had virtually no navy.

So they did what other countries did as force multipliers of their navies: They hired pirates.

They "commissioned" pirates to prey on British shipping. In 1776, the Continental Congress began issuing Commissions of Letters of Marque and Reprisal, authorizing pirates to attack, seize, and steal the goods of British ships.

Once commissioned, the pirate was called a "privateer." Btw, by 1776, Britain had long used pirates as privateers to harass Spanish shipping and colonies, and the entire island of Jamaica was seized by the British from the Spanish with the help of commissioned pirates, like the infamous Captain Morgan.

During the Revolutionary War, on the high seas, for ship captains, crews and passengers, there was no difference between facing a pirate and a privateer. For the privateer, the big difference was that he had a safe port to return to in America with his "booty" and if he was captured by the British he was treated as a prisoner of war rather than as a criminal because of his commission letters.

Even the Revolutionary War "naval" hero John Paul Jones ("I have not begun to fight") was probably a pirate, and at least a privateer in the eyes of the British, having disgraced himself from British service in the West Indies by having killed two men on two different occasions and fled trial.

So while I'm as opposed to Somali pirates as the next person, I'm a bit amused by the (mis)use of history to puff up our outrage.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history.do?action=Article&id=451


April 3, 1776

Congress authorizes privateers to attack British vessels

Because it lacked sufficient funds to build a strong navy, the Continental Congress gives privateers permission to attack any and all British ships on this day in 1776.

In a bill signed by John Hancock, its president, and dated April 3, 1776, the Continental Congress issued, “INSTRUCTIONS to the COMMANDERS of Private Ships or vessels of War, which shall have Commissions of Letters of Marque and Reprisal, authorizing them to make Captures of British Vessels and Cargoes.”

“Letters of Marque and Reprisal” were the official documents by which 18th-century governments commissioned private commercial ships, known as privateers, to act on their behalf, attacking ships carrying the flags of enemy nations. Any goods captured by the privateer were divided between the ship’s owner and the government that had issued the letter.

Congress informed American privateers on this day that, “YOU may, by Force of Arms, attack, subdue, and take all Ships and other Vessels belonging to the Inhabitants of Great Britain, on the high seas, or between high-water and low-water Marks, except Ships and Vessels bringing Persons who intend to settle and reside in the United Colonies, or bringing Arms, Ammunition or Warlike Stores to the said Colonies, for the Use of such Inhabitants thereof as are Friends to the American Cause, which you shall suffer to pass unmolested, the Commanders thereof permitting a peaceable Search, and giving satisfactory Information of the Contents of the Ladings, and Destinations of the Voyages.”

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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:55 PM
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1. I have just one question
What is a Chief Petty Officer's favorite letter? RRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:56 PM
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2. This place is crazy today.
I am the descendant of at least one pirate and he was a no good, murdering thief.

The pirates in question were the same. Stuff happens when you try to take things that don't belong to you.

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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:01 PM
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5. thanks for the history lesson
other than that .......... whats the point. ( rhetorical question as there is no other point to the op )
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:57 PM
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3. Without a govt license - damn pirate. BOO!
With a govt license - privateer. YEA!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:10 PM
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14. How many times has the government sent in the Marines
to "take things that don't belong to us"? A bunch!

In uniform = our brave fighting men.

It's a little dicey being an imperial power and calling out pirates unless you call them out for being small time. :)
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:59 PM
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4. This does not bode well.
Dark clouds on the horizon.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:05 PM
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10. Red skies at morning, sailors take warning!
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dem629 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:01 PM
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6. What would you like us to do with this information?
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:02 PM
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7. Enjoy!
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 02:04 PM by HamdenRice
History is fascinating.

I would say this though. To the extent that Somalia is a barely functioning government, and there are links between the rump government and the pirates, and the pirates are in some instances carrying out government policy, they are more analogous to privateers than pirates.
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dem629 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:06 PM
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12. Thanks!
I'm glad to hear this wasn't a "we did it, too" argument.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:03 PM
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8. Scabs!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:06 PM
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13. LOL!
Best comment yet (on the entire subject)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:05 PM
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9. Most of the English "explorers" were pirates as well.
Francis Drake, Walter Raleigh. Elizabeth was something of a pirate at heart, too. :)
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:06 PM
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11. Very true -- I mentioned Captain Morgan upthread who helped take Jamaica nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:13 PM
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17. The more I think about this, "navy" and "pirates" is a binarism
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 02:13 PM by EFerrari
a little bit like "freedom fighter" and "terrorist". (Now, I'm REALLY going to get it! :yoiks: )
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:17 PM
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20. Ruh Roh!
Today is one of those "anti-relativism"/let's nuke 'em days

:popcorn:

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MrPerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:11 PM
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15. Sir!!!! Yar!!! Sir!!!!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:12 PM
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16. I hope everyone realizes that the Somalian pirates aren't part of
an independence movement in their country, and that the only thing they are trying to do is get rich.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:16 PM
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18. That's not strictly true
The pirates in some cases are cooperating with clan elders who form what remnant of government there is.

That's why there was talk at one point of negotiating with the elders and releasing them to Somali clan authorities.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 03:48 PM
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21. Are the warlords and pirates specifically engaging
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 03:49 PM by LanternWaste
Have the warlords and pirates been specifically engaging in violent tactics for a common, greater good for their unity of their nation since 1990? And you can link to valid, peer-reviewed analysis that supports this contention?

If not, the analogy breaks down as soon as it begins.



Edit: subject/verb agreement
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:17 PM
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19. Whoops! I forgot to stop flagellating myself for a moment there!
Well, back at it...

BAD American!! (Ow!) BAD American!! (Ow!)
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