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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:40 AM
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At the White House, Joking about a Torture Investigation?
Edited on Wed Apr-15-09 08:49 AM by kpete
At the White House, Joking about a Torture Investigation?
— By David Corn | Tue April 14, 2009 12:58 PM PST

I was asked to go on Hardball on Tuesday night to discuss the news that Spanish prosecutors are likely to recommend a full investigation be conducted to determine if six former Bush administration officials—including ex-Attorney General Alberto Gonzales—ought to be indicted for having sanctioned torture at Guantanamo. So I thought I'd ask White House press secretary Robert Gibbs about the matter.

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What would the Obama administration do, if the Spanish judge currently overseeing the Bush Six case, Baltasar Garzon (who is famous for pursuing terrorists and for having chased after Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet), greenlights the investigation? At the Tuesday afternoon White House daily briefing, I asked Gibbs if the administration would cooperate with any requests from the Spaniards for information and documents. He had a predictable response: "I don't want to get involved in hypotheticals." He quickly pivoted to point out that Obama has moved to prohibit torture at Gitmo and elsewhere.

I posed a follow-up: Have you spoken to the Spanish government about this case? He seized on my use of the word "you" and, with a broad smile, said, "I have not spoken with the Spanish." Reporters in the room laughed. I obviously did not mean him personally; the "you" had referred to the Obama administration. Nor did I mean, I added, Bill Burton, the deputy press secretary, or any of the other press aides in the room. The point was whether the administration had been in contact with the Spanish government about the Bush Six investigation. "The Justice Department?" I asked. Gibbs, though, essentially brushed off the question: "I would send you to Justice. Like I said, I've not spoken" to the Spanish government.

That, too, was to be expected. Often White House press secretaries say, take your query elsewhere. Yet moments later, when a reporter asked Gibbs if Obama had any reaction to the conservative groups organizing "tea parties" of protest on tax day, he replied, "I've never monitored them nor spoken with the Spanish about them." People in the room laughed. And when the questioning in the room turned to the all-important subject of the Obama's new Portuguese water dog, Gibbs continued the joke. Noting that the dog might be spotted on the White House lawn later in the day or that it might not, he added that "the dog has also not talked to the Spanish about impending torture cases." More laughter. But I wondered, had the press secretary just made a joke about a torture investigation? Gibbs, like other press secretaries, uses humor to disarm, deflect, or dodge. But was this untoward?

more:
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2009/04/white-house-joking-about-torture-investigation
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:42 AM
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1. That gibbs is such a cut up...
:banghead:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:46 AM
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2. Thank you David
Edited on Wed Apr-15-09 08:47 AM by seemslikeadream
no one here is laughing about it
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:47 AM
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3. I believe that the title is a bit misleading.. the laughter was from the reporters in the room
Please...enough of this
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:32 AM
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7. Why were the reporters laughing, did someone make a joke?
Like maybe the Press Secretary.....Does the Administration find torture humorous?
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 01:45 PM
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20. A combination of the WH Press Corp and WH Press Office wanting to diffuse the issue
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:52 AM
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4. The Way to Stop the Headache Is by Taking Your Medicine on Time
And putting Bushbots behind bars isn't a bitter pill to swallow (unless you have serious conflicts of interest, in which case you should resign before YOU end up in court!)
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:15 AM
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5. Tomorrow we will know with some certainty what the Obama Administration intends to do about this
And I have reasonable fear that they will do nothing - which is to say they will do the wrong thing. Watch for the memos, if you see them then we will go forward, if not, well then you better be thinking real hard about what it is we have put in office.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 08:04 AM
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25. it's not even a question anymore-this is a wolf in sheep's clothing
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:28 AM
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6. "Nope, no weapons of mass destruction over here"
"Maybe under here!"

:mad:
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 01:44 PM
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18. That is exactly what the OP reminded me of...
I'll bet the people who were tortured don't think it's funny.

This shit ain't right!
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:42 AM
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8. I'm Thinking This Spanish Investigation Is A God Send For The Obama Administration......
it allows them to focus on the economy and those things that will get us out of this crisis that BushCo put us in and it allows them to kind of take the position of - we're not pushing for this. However, it allows the whole torture thing to come out in the press and be listened to and reported on. And - when this investigation begins to get the attention that it should - the WH will be able to say that they have to get involved (because of Spain) and not make it look like the Obama Administration was initiating and conducting a so-called 'witch hunt' - which would have been said if the Obama Administration went after this on their own.

Once this Spanish investigation gets a little traction - we should see some action on this side of the pond - because other countries will demand it and so will the American people.

My only hope is that the U.S. press will do their job and report on this as be credible and not try and 'discredit' it.

This should be interesting to watch.
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:55 AM
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9. I hope you're right, but I doubt it.
Call me a pessimist. I just don't think we're in the club of unprosecutables.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 11:28 AM
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10. Ahh hell what's a little torture here and a little torture there ,anyway???????
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/its-not-the-water-boarding-its-the-blows-to-the-head/

It’s Not the Water-Boarding, It’s the Blows to the Head
By: emptywheel Tuesday April 14, 2009 8:06 pm

Just to lay out a few details based on this article explaining that Obama continues to waver on what parts of the 2005 Bradbury torture memos to reveal. (h/t Steve)

1. According to the WSJ, it's not the description of water-boarding that the CIA wants to hide. It's the description of how the CIA threw people against the wall.

Among the details in the still-classified memos is approval for a technique in which a prisoner's head could be struck against a wall as long as the head was being held and the force of the blow was controlled by the interrogator, according to people familiar with the memos.

2. We know from the ICRC report this technique had been used, three years before Bradbury wrote his OLC memos, with Abu Zubaydah.
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Seems some things never change..too bad we need Spain or other countries to lead the way in obeying laws and treaties!!!!!!

Obama to Appeal Detainee Ruling

Obama the candidate:

September 2008


Obama on the need for habeas corpus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl3RPSw_450&eurl=http%3A ...

Barack Obama - the Habeas Debate Sept 27 2006

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BIylNUkmvo&eurl=http%3A ...

Obama on torture, detainees and enemy rights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjDaeyUdpJY

NOW TODAY?????????????

Obama to Appeal Detainee Ruling

By THE NEW YORK TIMES
Published: April 10, 2009
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration said Friday that it would appeal a district court ruling that granted some military prisoners in Afghanistan the right to file lawsuits seeking their release. The decision signaled that the administration was not backing down in its effort to maintain the power to imprison terrorism suspects for extended periods without judicial oversight.

In a court filing, the Justice Department also asked District Judge John D. Bates not to proceed with the habeas-corpus cases of three detainees at Bagram Air Base outside Kabul, Afghanistan. Judge Bates ruled last week that the three — each of whom says he was seized outside of Afghanistan — could challenge their detention in court.

Tina Foster, the executive director of the International Justice Network, which is representing the detainees, condemned the decision in a statement.

“Though he has made many promises regarding the need for our country to rejoin the world community of nations, by filing this appeal, President Obama has taken on the defense of one of the Bush administration’s unlawful policies founded on nothing more than the idea that might makes right,” she said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/11/world/asia/11bagram.h ...

or
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/11/world/asia/11bagram.h...



A version of this article appeared in print on April 11, 2009, on page A6 of the New York edition.


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Obama has held onto the Unitary Presidency Powers

He has used signing statements

He has fought to "keep breaking" the FISA laws

lets see..Obama shortly after taking office sent Kissinger..yes that Henry Kissinger to Russia representing the Obama administration to Russia..lets see..maybe some young here need a little education on Henry Kissinger...

shortly after taking office Obama sent Kissinger..to represent his "NEW" administration.....

The man who's Nick Name is "THE BUTCHER OF CAMBODIA"




KISSINGER.. who GWBUSH named to run the 9/11 coverup commission..he left the commission after families of 9/11 objected so loudly and angrily. ( thanks to the Jersey girls)

Kissinger's Back...As 9/11 Truth-Seeker posted by David Corn on 11/27/2002 @ 4:19pm

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames/176


SNIP:
Asking Henry Kissinger to investigate government malfeasance or nonfeasance is akin to asking Slobodan Milosevic to investigate war crimes. Pretty damn akin, since Kissinger has been accused, with cause, of engaging in war crimes of his own. Moreover, he has been a poster-child for the worst excesses of secret government and secret warfare. Yet George W. Bush has named him to head a supposedly independent commission to investigate the nightmarish attacks of September 11, 2001, a commission intended to tell the public what went wrong on and before that day. This is a sick, black-is-white, war-is-peace joke--a cruel insult to the memory of those killed on 9/11 and a screw-you affront to any American who believes the public deserves a full accounting of government actions or lack thereof. It's as if Bush instructed his advisers to come up with the name of the person who literally would be the absolute worst choice for the post and, once they had, said, "sign him up."


SNIP:

Vietnam. Kissinger participated in a GOP plot to undermine the 1968 Paris peace talks in order to assist Richard Nixon's presidential campaign. Once in office, Nixon named Kissinger his national security adviser, and later appointed him secretary of state. As co-architect of Nixon's war in Vietnam, Kissinger oversaw the secret bombing campaign in Cambodia, an arguably illegal operation estimated to have claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians.


SNIP:

Chile. In the early 1970s, Kissinger oversaw the CIA's extensive covert campaign that assisted coup-plotters, some of whom eventually overthrew the democratically-elected government of Salvador Allende and installed the murderous military dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet. On June 8, 1976, at the height of Pinochet's repression, Kissinger had a meeting with Pinochet and behind closed doors told him that "we are sympathetic to what you are trying to do here," according to minutes of the session (which are quoted in Peter Kornbluh's forthcoming book, The Pinochet File.)

SNIP:

In another lawsuit, filed earlier this month, eleven Chilean human rights victims--including relatives of people murdered after Pinochet's coup--claimed Kissinger knowingly provided practical assistance and encouragement to the Pinochet regime. Kissinger's codefendant in the case is Michael Townley, an American-born Chilean agent who was a leading international terrorist in the mid-1970s. In his most notorious operation, Townley in 1976 planted a car-bomb that killed Orlando Letelier, Allende's ambassador to the United States, and Ronni Moffitt, Letelier's colleague, on Washington's embassy row.



so ask yourself..if Obama is so different..why did he have Kissinger represent his administration in Russia???????????

The very MAN WHO HAS WORKED WITH THE FOLLOWING ADMINSTRATIONS...NIXON, FORD , REAGAN, GH BUSH, AND BUSHY& CHENEY ADMINISTRATION..AND was a constant visitor to the Bush /Cheney WHITE HOUSE and advisor on the Iraq war????????Oh and it wasn't advise to leave Iraq..it was to stay.....for victory..


xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

This ought to make everyone furious..but i know it will only make those who really believe in their democratic values angry.........


Remarks by ( edit to add..Obama's NS ADVISER) National Security Adviser Jones at 45th Munich Conference on Security Policy

Published February 8, 2009
Speaker: James L. Jones



U.S. National Security Adviser Jones ( edit to add: new advisor hired by Obama!!!!) gave these remarks at the **** 45th Munich Conference on Security Policy ***at the Hotel Bayerischer Hof on February 8, 2009.

"Thank you for that wonderful tribute to Henry Kissinger yesterday. Congratulations. As the most recent National Security Advisor of the United States, I take my daily orders from Dr. Kissinger, filtered down through General Brent Scowcroft and Sandy Berger, who is also here. We have a chain of command in the National Security Council that exists today.



Source: http://www.cfr.org/publication/18515/remar... ...






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I remember taking my son and his friends to the spot that the most famous legal document was signed, that assured the validity and the very premise of democracy ....the Magna Carta at Runnymede, England.
Our United States Constitution is predicated on the Magna Carta, and the rule of law, our very freedoms depend on Habeas Corpus and our right to appeal unlawful imprisonment.

Seems to me the new boss is nothing but a continuation of the old boss! And that scares the ever loving crap out of me!
I feel today, that what I taught my son and his friends, was nothing but a damn lie! A lie against everything I have ever believed in as an American, and in the system of our liberties, and of our republic Democracy.

I AM NOT WAITING FOR A GODSEND..I AM EXPECTING OUR LAWS TO BE FOLLOWED..I WILL HOLD ANYONE IN MY WHITE HOUSE ACCOUNTABLE TO FOLLOW OUR LAWS.

THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS ARE PART OF OUR CONSTITUTION..AS A treaty this nation signed..I expect anyone who broke those laws to be held accountable.

NO OTHER COUNTRY SHOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR LAWS OR INTERNATIONAL LAWS WITHOUT US HOLDING OUR OWN ACCOUNTABLE.

THERE IS NO EXCUSE!










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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:39 PM
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11. I Followed Up On The Link You Provided For James Jones Comments....
regarding Dr. Kissinger, General Brent Scowcroft and Sandy Berger and the chain of command in the National Security Council that exists today.

I don't doubt that he said that - but Why? would he say something like that. It seems to me if this were a fact - that he or the Obama administration wouldn't want this as general knowledge. I just don't understand?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 01:14 PM
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13. maybe this might answer some of your questions!!
I have posted this before..

and who is this administration working with??

Kissinger

Geithner..who worked for Kissinger and the CFR

Geithner..who's papa Peter F.Geithner was with the Ford Foundation and Obama's mom just happened to work with him!!


Any wonder why the GM CEO was made to step down..the very day that Ford announced it was opening a plant in Mexico..the znnouncement took place at the Pres of Mexico's palace..and do not miss the very fact that the CEO of Ford said : Mr Mullaly said: "We are convinced the geographic location as well as Mexico's highly qualified labour force and economic stability make this decision the right one for our business."

That would be 4,500 jobs Americans will not get!!


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/742895...





Peter F. Geithner, is the director of the Asia program at the Ford Foundation in New York. During the early 1980s, Peter Geithner oversaw the Ford Foundation's microfinance programs in Indonesia being developed by S. Ann Dunham-Soetoro, President Barack Obama's mother, and they met in person at least once

Geithner's maternal grandfather, Charles F. Moore, was an adviser to President Dwight D. Eisenhower and served as a vice president of Ford Motor Company.


Posted by flyarm in General Discussion
Tue Mar 31st 2009, 03:37 PM
ahhh this ought to warm a few of the hearts of US Union workers!!


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/742895...

Ford to open new plant in Mexico


US giant Ford is to invest $3bn (£1.5bn) in a new car plant in Mexico, the biggest investment in the country's manufacturing sector.

The move is a blow to American car workers who had hoped the factory would be built in the United States.

Ford has lost more than $15bn (£7.5bn) over the past two years and says the new facility is crucial to its future.

Mexican President Felipe Calderon hailed the announcement as a "turning point" for his country.

The new factory, and other changes to Ford's Mexican operations, are likely to create an estimated 4,500 jobs in Mexico, where car workers earn substantially less than their American counterparts.

Mr Calderon made the announcement with Ford president Alan Mullaly at the presidential compound in Mexico City on Friday. "We want Mexico to be an automotive country, one that is competitive and with the most advantages so that the worldwide automotive industry will establish itself here," Mr Calderon said.

Mr Mullaly said: "We are convinced the geographic location as well as Mexico's highly qualified labour force and economic stability make this decision the right one for our business."

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edit to add ...Bet those last lines were made to just give warm fuzzies to American auto workers..but just ignore that ...what do we all care about American workers, when we are all getting that lovely $17 dollar tax break a month!!
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

TIMOTHY GEITHNER

Biography

Early life and education
Geithner was born in Brooklyn, New York.<2> He spent most of his childhood living outside the United States, including present-day Zimbabwe, Zambia, India and Thailand, where he completed high school at International School Bangkok.<3> He then attended Dartmouth College, graduating with a B.A. in government and Asian studies in 1983.<4> He earned an M.A. in international economics and East Asian studies from Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies in 1985.<4><5> He has studied Chinese<4> and Japanese.<6>

Geithner's paternal grandfather, Paul Herman Geithner (1902–1972), emigrated with his parents from the German town of Zeulenroda to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in 1908.<7> His father, Peter F. Geithner, is the director of the Asia program at the Ford Foundation in New York. During the early 1980s, Peter Geithner oversaw the Ford Foundation's microfinance programs in Indonesia being developed by S. Ann Dunham-Soetoro, President Barack Obama's mother, and they met in person at least once.<8> Timothy Geithner's mother, Deborah Moore Geithner, is a pianist and piano teacher in Larchmont, New York where his parents currently reside. Geithner's maternal grandfather, Charles F. Moore, was an adviser to President Dwight D. Eisenhower and served as a vice president of Ford Motor Company.

Early career

After completing his studies, Geithner worked for Kissinger and Associates in Washington, D.C., for three years and then joined the International Affairs division of the U.S. Treasury Department in 1988. He went on to serve as an attaché at the US Embassy in Tokyo. He was deputy assistant secretary for international monetary and financial policy (1995–1996), senior deputy assistant secretary for international affairs (1996-1997), assistant secretary for international affairs (1997–1998).<5>

He was Under Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs (1998–2001) under Treasury Secretaries Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers.<5> Summers was his mentor,<10><11> but other sources call him a Rubin protégé.<11><12><13>

In 2002 he left the Treasury to join the Council on Foreign Relations as a Senior Fellow in the International Economics department.<14> He was director of the Policy Development and Review Department (2001-2003) at the International Monetary Fund.<5>
In October 2003, he was named president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.<15> His salary in 2007 was $398,200.<16> Once at the New York Fed, he became Vice Chairman of the Federal Open Market Committee component. In 2006, he also became a member of the Washington-based financial advisory body, the Group of Thirty.<17>









Report: AIG bailout money behind banks' recent profitability

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/...

snip:
The financial blog Zero Hedge has posted an "exclusive" that claims that according to an insider's account, AIG (yes, that AIG) "was responsible for the banks' January and February profitability."


Saying it is "rarely speechless," ZH offered "a moment of silence for the phenomenal scam that continues unabated in the financial markets, and now has the full oversight and blessing of the U.S. government, which in turns keeps on duping U.S. taxpayers into believing everything is good."


ZH says the insider perspective came in an email from "a correlation desk trader." Unless you're a finance whiz (and who is these days?!) you might get lost in the explanation of how AIG supposedly engineered this feat of profitability. But ZH tries to explain the "mumbo jumbo" in "layman's terms":


AIG, knowing it would need to ask for much more capital from the Treasury imminently, decided to throw in the towel, and gifted major bank counter-parties with trades which were egregiously profitable to the banks, and even more egregiously money losing to the U.S. taxpayers, who had to dump more and more cash into AIG, without having the U.S. Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner disclose the real extent of this, for lack of a better word, fraudulent scam.


In simple terms think of it as an auto dealer, which knows that U.S. taxpayers will provide for an infinite amount of money to fund its ongoing sales of horrendous vehicles (think Pontiac Azteks): the company decides to sell all the cars currently in contract, to lessors at far below the amortized market value, thereby generating huge profits for these lessors, as these turn around and sell the cars at a major profit, funded exclusively by U.S. taxpayers (readers should feel free to provide more gripping allegories).

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 01:38 PM
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16. Everything is in Plain sight..it has been going on for years..
they tell you what they are doing...and then they mock and criticize you, if you disagree with what they are doing in your name.. .it just depends on if you are listening..they are desensitizing..they are perpetuating the same lies over and over again..people just deny that it is being done by "our guy"..

how is it any different???????

same shit, different day..same team?????????????????????????????

They just change the stage.

It is just full on hypocracy.......

Were we opposing Bush because he was going against our constitution? And our democratic principles and values..or were we simply opposing him because he was republican?????????? That it is a question we all must address to ourselves.

Do we all really believe in our values and principles??????

Every day anymore I wonder........sadly.....

Thanks for asking your question..I hope I answered you..
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 01:25 PM
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15. dupe
Edited on Wed Apr-15-09 01:26 PM by flyarm
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:44 PM
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12. What's the question mark doing in the title? "Obama Official Jokes About Torture"
is what I read in the article.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 01:15 PM
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14. The lack of action on torture pisses me off
as much as anyone.

However...

I read this as Gibbs joking about a reporter's rookie use of the term "you" rather than about "torture." Or at the very most joking about the seriousness level of the Spanish legal proceedings.

Speaking of kidding, the Spanish actions are great press and keep the issue alive, but let's not kid ourselves that any serious justice is going to result from such largely symbolic legal proceedings.

Gibbs can be a jackass sometimes, but I don't think it's fair to say he was joking "about torture."
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 01:41 PM
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17. "reporter's rookie use of the term "
David Corn is hardly a rookie...

just say'in...
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 01:57 PM
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21. I love David Corn. He's one of only a handful
of real journalists in that press room. But he is a relative rookie to Presidential press briefings. His language was a slip (he agrees) and Gibbs was giving him some shit for it. That's all.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 01:45 PM
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19. Great
just great

nyuk, nyuk, nyuk

:eyes:
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 02:20 PM
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22. "Untoward"? I think the word is "unseemly".
But then, I'm sure the thesaurus is chock-full of words which describe the use of totally inappropriate humor when dealing with subjects of torture, murder, false imprisonment and the withholding of basic human rights.

At least he's not Dana Peroxide. She probably believes to the depths of her soul that the above are "just peachy" - as long as a Republic administration does it.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 02:36 PM
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23. Wow. You guys are a riot.
Get a microscope, you'll find more nits that way.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 07:40 AM
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24. I'm POUTRAGED! POUTRAGED, I say! I asked a dumb question & people laughed at me! Impeach Obama NOW!!
Edited on Thu Apr-16-09 07:45 AM by HamdenRice
That is pretty much the substance of Corn's article.

If ever an anti-Obama poutrage hit piece deserved crybaby status, it's this one.




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