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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 02:38 PM
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Obama's Bad Bank Plan
posted without comment, other than the moderators have once again chosen to lock a thread because the OP "is no longer with us"

even though the thread itself was not cause for tombstoning ...

posted originally by "leftchick"

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Obama's Bad Bank Plan Could Destroy His Promising Presidency -- How Do We Push Him in the Right Direction?


By Robert Kuttner, Huffington Post
Posted on April 14, 2009, Printed on April 14, 2009
http://www.alternet.org/story/136456 /

"Part of the Way with LBJ" --Students for a Democratic Society button, circa 1964

Progressives now find themselves in an awkward position of simultaneously wishing Barack Obama well, but feeling dismayed by his policies on some key issues, most notably the banking bailout. If this were a normal economic situation, the posture of semi-opposition would not be that big a deal. We would simply gratefully accept the decent policies and keep pressing for bolder ones. But a failure to revive the banking system would be Obama's Vietnam. It would wreck everything else.

It's a too-familiar position for progressives, one that winds back through all of the postwar Democratic administrations of my adulthood. We wanted Lyndon Johnson to push harder for civil rights and anti-poverty and not ruin it all in Vietnam. We were appalled at Jimmy Carter's attacks on government, his failure to use his large Democratic majority in Congress to press for progressive legislation, his refusal to lift a finger on behalf of labor law reform. The memories of Bill Clinton are sufficiently recent that we need little reminder of the needless tilt to the right on economic issues from NAFTA to welfare reform to financial deregulation.

What makes this situation different is, first, our gratitude on so many fronts combined with the very high stakes of the financial rescue. Barack Obama is an exemplary leader in so many ways, the leader we've been waiting for. His commitment to restore constitutional government is no small achievement. Those fighting for anti-poverty efforts and children's initiatives have never seen increases in federal resources comparable to the present ones. His foreign policy initiatives, from his reaching out to Iran to his efforts on behalf of nuclear non-proliferation are a breath of fresh air. And speaking of which, Obama seems serious about reducing the carbon footprint.

But all of this promise could come to naught if the economy remains mired in recession. And despite large scale stimulus spending, the economy will remain stuck in first gear until the banking system is revived.

The economists whom I most respect, such as Joseph Stiglitz, Jeff Sachs, Simon Johnson, and Paul Krugman, all have grave doubts about whether the Geithner-Summers plan can work. The more details are revealed, the more curious it looks. If the plan did succeed in bringing zombie banks back to life, we might hold our noses at the fact that hedge funds and private equity companies were profiting, while taxpayers and the Federal Reserve bore the risk.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-kuttner/obamas-loyal-opposition_b_186025.html
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 02:46 PM
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1. Are you saying
leftchick has been tombstoned?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 02:50 PM
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3. looks like it.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:00 PM
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7. She needs to lighten up
Its only health, money, children, and all that other worldly shit she is caught up in.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:03 PM
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9. really, how trite
:sarcasm: just in case it is needed. Shame.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:06 PM
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11. Yeah, really...
All you need is internal bliss spawned by the knowledge that Barack Obama is president. She is missing the forest through the trees
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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 02:58 PM
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6. Wow. I'm a former moderator here, and I have always defended the moderators and the administrators.
But if this is what it looks like then I have a lot of thinking to do.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 02:47 PM
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2. omg Where is Leftchick?
WTF?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 02:52 PM
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4. RIP. wtf indeed
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:02 PM
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8. Hmm. I'm gonna assume for now this was just a misunderstanding
and things are being worked out.

DU is not DU without Leftchick

just sayin
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:20 PM
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14. Lets hope it is.
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Hanse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 02:54 PM
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5. LOL
:nopity:
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:15 PM
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13. what do you think about Kuttner's article?
or is that what the violin is for?
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:25 PM
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15. ...
Oops. I'm also guilty of overlooking your OP. (I was just shocked.)

It's an excellent article, and thank you for posting it again.

:thumbsup:
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:46 PM
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16. .....
:toast:
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 04:03 PM
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19. check this out
http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=103122382&m=103130336

Simon Johnson on Fresh Air from today

the whole interview is over 40 min - but the section from around 3:00 to around 9:00 is particularly interesting.

It puts Goldman Sachs' payback of the TARP funds in a different light.

The whole thing should be posted once a transcript is available -

But the question that's asked - who is in charge, the Fed or Goldman Sachs, is one that needs to be answered...
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 04:31 PM
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23. I have heard
some of this yesterday (? where)--but he is very clear on the way he says it.

thanks
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 06:16 PM
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25. Thanks
That was good.

Not sure when the transcript will be up
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:04 PM
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10. Leftchick was tombstoned?
Wow. Is it because she didn't like Obama's economic plan? Guess I'm not long for the DU world...
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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:08 PM
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12. A lot of us aren't if that's the case.
I know she was passionate, but it's hard to control that passion sometimes when you're watching the world fall apart - and the people you helped elect to help are solving the wrong problem with the wrong solutions.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:50 PM
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17. Yes and that passion was fueled by fear of her situation
which is quite understandable, imho. That punishment did not fit the crime.
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:59 PM
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18. I agree.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 04:04 PM
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20. Hopefully admin will intervene. nt
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 05:12 PM
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24. Same here
Is this OBAMAUNDERGROUND now?

What was leftchick's crime?

Can we get some transparency here?

If you're reading this, leftchick, I MISS YOU ALREADY!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 06:25 PM
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26. no, we will never know
there are some brilliant people gone. While some real antagonistic and conservative people remain.

Leftchick was here for years, she helped raise the quality of discussion here.
She is also a friend and a sister.

I'm amazed I'm still here.
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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 06:44 PM
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27. I've been here nearly 8 years myself.
I've been a moderator and a consistent donor. I have always defended the administrators and the moderators - EVEN AFTER THEY BANNED MY WIFE (who I met here - she's back now).

Now I'm wondering if I still belong here, too.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 06:59 PM
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28. no details
maybe we should do a mass "suicide"

:wow:
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 07:00 PM
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29. Her tombstoming sure sends a message to anyone
that disagrees w/Obama - SHuT THE FUCK UP, WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE.

What delightful unity, eh?
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 04:16 PM
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21. wow. they must have changed the rules to progressives not allowed.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 04:24 PM
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22. I hope so. I can't stand people who wont sign loyalty oaths to Obama
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