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Edited on Wed Apr-15-09 11:29 PM by goodboy
WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ IS REAL, EXACTLY AS IT HAPPENED...
I've deleted the last names to protect the ignorant.
THE PLAYERS:
Jason - goodboy (text in bold)
Brian - moran, religious nutjob, former classmate who posted the original entry
John - moran, member of:
C-LIFE(Christians Living in the Father's Eyes)Lets Put God Back in Schools!, Che Guevara was a murderer and your t-shirt is not cool, Republican Party Animals - The Drinking, Smoking, Cussing Wing of the GOP, name change, Say NO to the Stimulus Package, favorite movie, Men, True conservative, Stop Barack Obama (One Million Strong and Growing), , Impeach Nancy Pelosi, , Tattoos Are Sexy, Tattoo Lovers, Tattoo Fans
Joe -moran, member of:
I ♥ Camp Presmont, 1,000,000 Ohio State Buckeyes Fans, Meditations for the Lord's Supper, we CAN find 10,000,000 Christians on facebook, General Discussion Group, LIFE- Let's see how many pro-life people are on facebook., 100,000,000 Christians Worship God!
Cathy -moran, religious nutjob
Kathy -moran, religious nutjob
Jason C-moran, sideline viewer, religious nutjob
Ty -moran, religious nutjob, member of:
Christians Who Headbang, TO WRITE LOVE ON HER ARMS, I WANT MY 90's NICKELODEON BACK, we CAN find 10,000,000 Christians on facebook, people who think kyle lance lachendro is a dork, Remy Remz's Fan Club, The Official Brady Lytton Is The Sexiest Man Alive Club, Guitar: The Greatest Present Day Instrument, Family Force 5 lovers, Fans against Bill Cowher in Cleveland
Jim -Brian's dad, moran, religious nutjob
Jennifer -Brian's wife, moran, religious nutjob
______________________________________HERE WE GO______________________________________________________
Brian wonders when, as a nation, we will realize that the problems in our country don't stem from Republicans or Democrats or Conservatives or Liberals or poor or wealthy or taxes or finances, but from the fact that, as a country, we have turned away from the one thing that this country was founded on at the very beginning...our devotion and allegiance to God.
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John at 11:44am April 15
hence we lost our core conservative values along with it
Jason at 12:35pm April 15
John Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli (June 7, 1797). Article 11 states:
"The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."
From a letter to Charles Cushing (October 19, 1756):
"Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, 'this would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.'"... Read More
From a letter to Thomas Jefferson:
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"
John at 12:44pm April 15
he is on your friends list dude..
Joe at 3:29pm April 15
and God causes some to close their ears and hearts...
Cathy P at 4:50pm April 15
Maybe we should all get together and have a demomstration for promoting God! can we still do that???
Kathy H at 5:25pm April 15
AMEN!!!!!!! I agree with Cathy about promoting God! Anyone got any ideas how to do that? If so, I'm in.
Jason at 5:30pm April 15
I have one, let's go to church on Sunday morning! Oh wait...
Brian, I appreciate what you're trying to do, and I understand that your faith has meaning. I love Jesus and what he stood for, which, ironically is DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSITIONAL to what Republicans stand for. Jesus Christ was a bleeding heart liberal SOCIALIST. Period. Not a fascist conservative.
Jason C at 6:14pm April 15
Gabriel Vs Satan Live tonight on Spike TV!
Brian at 6:29pm April 15
Collette you never cease to make me laugh dude!!!
Brian at 6:52pm April 15
I will be careful next time when I write how I feel and I apologize for the debate as I did not mean to spark it....as for my faith, well I do believe that it does have meaning and, due to that meaning, I realize how all of this world is quite futile and that one day none of it will matter, so therefore, I struggle with why I make it so important now....but just because I gotta know Jason...what leads you to feel/believe that 'Jesus was a bleeding heart liberal SOCIALIST'?
Jason at 7:14pm April 15
Well the Sermon on the Mount specifically refers to those who are poor, meek, persecuted, merciful, pure of heart, and peacemakers, of how those humans are particularly blessed, and that they will inherit the earth, and the Kingdom etc. Jesus championed for the poor. He threw money changers (the Conservatives of the day) out of the temple, ... calling them devils. Jesus never suggested that we shouldn't pay our taxes, "...give unto Caesar what is Caesars" He never suggested that it is good, or beneficial to one's spirit to be rich, "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom" saying the true reward was not in this life, and that the love of money is the root of all evil. Should I keep going? Jesus Christ was a community organizer, a Socialist, a humanist, a liberal. Shall I keep going?
Jason at 7:23pm April 15
also, just to clarify, I say that he was socialist in ideological terms only, it goes without saying that capitalism and socialism as we understand them today were not recognized economic systems of the time. But you can draw comparisons between the philosophies of Jesus and the people who killed him, versus so-called Liberals and Conservative Theocrats of today.
Joe at 7:42pm April 15
The money changers were unethical cheaters who were short changing those came to pay with their own currency..Jesus was also upset with the merchants that were selling "damaged goods" and passing them off as unblemished for sacrifice...what does this have to do with conservatism? The Bible also mentions that if you want to eat, you should work..there's a new concept!
Jason at 7:44pm April 15
Jesus doesn't say that though, He says, "I was hungry and you gave me no food"
Jason at 7:50pm April 15
According to the Gospels, Jesus took offense to the money changers,(extorting profit from the people to hear the word of God), and said, "My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves"
The money changers of Jesus' day are like the corrupt bankers of our day...that's what it has to do with conservatism.
Joe at 7:53pm April 15
so why are we bailing them out?
Joe at 7:57pm April 15
the money changers of today could also be the politicans (rep or dem) that are mortgaging our children and grandchildrens future with stimulus money we don't have
Ty at 8:21pm April 15
well, jason, i don't really know who you are, but i do know you just got a boat load of people to pray for you
Jason at 8:37pm April 15
No Joe, they can't. Where was the outrage at the tax cuts for the rich {with money} we didn't have? GWB is the KING of deficit spending, and it is HIS policies that got us into this mess. We can't do what we always did, or we'll always get what we always got. Ty, I don't know you, but pray that my powerball numbers win tonight.
Jim M at 9:35pm April 15
Jason, you are miss reading the Sermon on the Mount. As an example, meek means strength harnessed, like a horse with a bridal. Poor in spirit means those that realize they need some One, ie. God.
Also, the money changers were cheats, they were selling inferior products for a high dollar and misusing the temple for their gain. Jesus did say the ... thing about the camel but right after He said that He said, but with God all things are possible. Please, don't misuse the Bible. Remember in Genesis Satan asked Eve, "did God really say?" If you are going to use the Bible, please get it right. I would be happy to study with you or recommend someone that could study with you. The Bible isn't about politics it is about right and wrong, Heaven and Hell.
Jim M at 9:36pm April 15
Sorry Brian, but it gets me when someone missuses the Bible!
Jason at 9:53pm April 15
Jim, that's just your opinion. My point is that Jesus preached against the rich, and the hoarding and gathering of wealth. He championed the rights of those who were less fortunate, who were weak, who were persecuted, and who had been forgotten and left alone and broken. While you concede that Jesus was purported to have said that it's, ".. ... easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom" you follow it up with, "But..." You know, there are no "buts" Your interpretation is yours. We can't be entirely sure what Jesus did actually say, since the Gospel Writers never knew or met him. We can safely say that he did not say, "Blessed are the warmongers, Blessed are the stock-brokers, Blessed are the ultra-wealthy, Blessed are the republicans who persecute minorities and gays, blessed are the hypocrites." Yep, we can be sure Jesus never said that.
Jim M at 9:56pm April 15
Actually, the only gospel writer that may not have met Jesus was Luke. And the Holy Spirit was the One that gave the words to write. Remember "all Scripture is God breathed." You need to remember that people that you seem to have a problem with DO NOT represent true Christianity.
Jim M at 10:00pm April 15
The quote about the rich you use comes from Matthew chapter 19:24-26
Notice verse 26, Jesus does say but!
24"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
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25When the disciples heard this, they were very astonished and said, "Then who can be saved?"
26And looking at them Jesus said to them, "With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
Jason at 10:03pm April 15
That is debatable. The gospels weren't even written until decades after the crucifixion, and that's pretty well-accepted as a fact. The people I have a problem with, Jim, are the Hypocrites, the so-called, "compassionate conservatives" Shall I name names, and you can tell me if they're people you support?
Jim M at 10:06pm April 15
You need to do a little more research! There is a lot of proof that the scriptures were written in the first century.
I am going to leave Brian's page alone now, it has been nice trying to tell you the truth, good luck and I will be praying for you Jason.
Jennifer M at 10:25pm April 15
This saddens me. I pray that some day Jason you will open your heart to hear the true Word. I've also met these hypocrites. But through studying and reading the Bible, you can gain the wisdom to decifer from those who are not of God and those who are of God.
Jason at 11:08pm April 15
Ok, Jim, we'll have to agree to disagree. Jennifer, you do not possess any special powers or intuition that I do not, nor does reading the bible give you the ability to judge who is who. I know you said, "decifer" but what you mean is judge. Good night everyone, and thanks for a fun debate. But you're all wrong.
Jason at 11:13pm April 15
In politics, hypocrisy is legal tender. One can find it spent in abundance on both sides. But it is a religious expression of hypocrisy — what outraged Jesus the most — that's found in people like the Pharisees of his day and the radical reactionaries of today. Their cloak of morality, and their ostentatious embrace of Jesus, are what is so ... hypocritical. They claim Jesus while supporting policies that hurt the poor, the widows, the orphans, the children, the veterans, the troops, the nation, the Earth — and yes, the gays and other outcasts — the lepers, if you will. At the same time they voted for a man who instituted a tax cut that most benefited the wealthiest 1 percent among us; a man who plunged the nation into staggering debt and forced cuts in programs that support poor children, highways, veterans, troop pay and support (and levy maintenance, by the way). They crow about morality, and piety and virtue, while they support a war based on lies that killed many innocents...
Jason at 11:35pm April 15
Oh, one more thing... "decifer" is spelled "decipher" and "miss read" is spelled, "misread" and I'm not sure that "missuses" is even a word.
Jason at 11:39pm April 15
And if you're gonna pray for anyone, pray for the poor, hungry, sick, persecuted, abused, tortured, pray for our dead soldiers, and the ones who'll never be the same, pray for the 500,000 dead Iraqis, pray for their families. Pray for the peace and comfort of anyone who has died as a result of a policy that you've supported. Pray for forgiveness.
I promise I'm done now.
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