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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 11:03 AM
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The Rude Pundit - The Tea Parties: So That Happened
Yesterday, thousands of poor and middle-class people were manipulated into helping rich people keep more of their money. It's sort of like going to a Yankees game, but without the souvenirs.

The Rude Pundit thinks it's generally a good thing when large groups of people come together for a cause, and, agree or disagree with the cause, getting people in the habit of protesting is ultimately positive for the nation. It gives us a more European feel, where citizens tend to actually give a shit about what their government is doing. Would that many of the people holding up signs yesterday had respected our antiwar marches back in 2003 and 2004, but, hey, water under a bridge built of bones, you know.

What is stunning is that yesterday's Tea Party protests were based on a demonstrable, factual lie. It wasn't about interpreting something or opinions. No, what people were protesting was actually a falsehood. They were played for suckers while they thought they were saving democracy. It was a bait and switch, man, a con game that was more dishonest than sidewalk three-card monte.

The whole day was filled with Fox-fanned falsehoods, starting with the whole acronym the protests adopted after "teabag" became the subject of mucho deserved mocking. "Taxed Enough Already" presupposes that taxes will be raised. And it seems that the tea partyers simply think that Barack Obama is lying to them when he says that the taxes for the vast, vast majority of Americans are lower under his plan. (On his radio show, Alan Colmes was screaming at callers who kept insisting that Obama was raising taxes for everyone.) The protests were against some fantasy administration, a sandwich of fascism on a socialism bun covered in a secret sauce of tyranny. It's like prayer: you can't really prove that it matters, but, hey, someone told you it was a good idea to do it, so down on your knees you go.

But it's not just the concept of being "taxed enough" that was a chimera. The Fox "news" hosts built the day around a fantasy America, as if we were all in a 1950s elementary school history class being force-fed the long-disproved myths of the nation.

Take, for instance, this one that Taste of Texas restaurant owner Nina Hendee told Glenn "Twitchy" Beck while they were standing outside the Alamo in San Antonio: "The night before the Alamo fell, (Col. William B.) Travis gathered his men in this courtyard, took out his saber right there, and this is where the line in the sand came from. He drew -- history says -- he drew the line in the sand right here and said, 'If you'll will stand with me and fight with me, you may die with me, come and cross this line with me,' and they did." Beck returned to that "line in the sand" again and again in his broadcast yesterday, as when he yammered, "I have a feeling something big is starting with the tea parties and I think the line is being drawn in the sand once again."

Except, you know, Travis didn't draw a line in the sand at the Alamo. He was kind of a dick, too. And let's not even get into why the Alamo was there in the first place.

Later, on On the Record with Greta Van Susteren's Nose Job, Beck echoed himself: "Everybody's always heard, you know, draw a line in the sand. This is where it happened. They drew a line in the sand and said, Enough is enough." Which is a misreading based on a lie. Even if the line story was true, the soldiers knew they were gonna die.

Compound this with the near-constant, unrelenting gang rape of the Founders by Fox and the tea partyers. Sean Hannity had on the creepy fuckin' Thomas Paine actor and, really, they may as well skull-fucked the real Paine's bones, each taking a hole so Hannity and the old guy could rub their cocks against each other. Said faux Paine, "My name is Thomas Paine. In 1776, I wrote, 'The sun never shined on a cause of greater worth.' Now, my fellow Americans, it's your moment to change the course of history. On this night in Atlanta, Georgia, citizen Sean Hannity and the rest of an aroused nation will hear from you as we the people once again declare our independence." Of course, Paine was advocating for war with Great Britain. Yeah, "Common Sense" even lays out the military strategy and the postwar economic situation. Oh, and he was also specifically advocating for the unity of the colonies, not really for any kind of states' rights. But, sure, yeah, he did write that thing about the sun.

How goddamned simple-minded this whole tea party thing was. How divorced from reality. What a waste of time, of energy, of paper and ink. All it succeeded in doing was propping up some egos, giving understandably frustrated people a place to misdirect their anger, and allowing there to be an hour of TV that featured Ted Nugent, Penn Jillette, and Janine Turner, like Hell's Tonight Show.

One last thing: Unless Joe the Plumber starts snakin' some fuckin' pipes, he has to drop the title.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 11:05 AM
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1. Not up to his usual standards of rudeness, but very good, nevertheless.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 11:12 AM
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3. Until that last line, I was thinking
What have they done with the Rude One?
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 11:22 AM
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4. LOL
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 01:56 PM
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16. You certainly missed the bit about double penetration skullfucking Thomas Paine. -nt
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Reader Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:02 PM
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18. Oh, come on! He mentioned skull fucking!
Who else could/would do such a thing in the same sentence with Thomas Paine?

:P
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:07 PM
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22. Yeah, you're right
:D
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 11:06 AM
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2. "Yesterday, thousands of poor and middle-class people were manipulated into..."
Edited on Thu Apr-16-09 11:07 AM by Hugin
"Yesterday, thousands of poor and middle-class people were manipulated into helping rich people keep more of their money."

That pretty well sums up the entire fiasco.

What I thought... EXACTLY!

Thanks Rude Pundit and Write On! :thumbsup: :patriot:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 01:32 PM
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10. "Suckers!"
;)
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 11:22 AM
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5. In a nutshell, Teabaggers are licking corporate cajones while the Cons
and corporate media tell them it's a tootsie-pop.

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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 01:00 PM
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6. Blimey he showed restraint with that one. And they really used Paine?!?
The atheist? The guy Americans turned against just a handful of years after we won our independence? Not that we needed any more proof they use their history texts for toilet paper.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 01:11 PM
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7. "Fox-fanned falsehoods"
I really LIKE that alliteration!

pnorman
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:10 PM
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24. Yeah, that's a keeper..
faux fanned falsehoods.
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LeftHandPath Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 01:14 PM
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8. Sorry, but this guy (and many here) are wrong.
I know some of the people who protested yesterday, and just like with many protests I think they have been improperly maligned.

I dont have a problem paying my taxes.

I have a problem with my government wasting those taxes on 2 failed wars. I have a problem with my government borrowing untold trillions of dollars to bailout insolvent banks instead of putting the people guilty of fraud behind bars.

I have a problem with the thinking that we need more debt to solve a debt crisis.

Granted, there are idiots in every protest, but I'm not going to condemn people who out of their way to have their voices heard.

I'm with the teabaggers. Stop stealing from future generations to fund your wars and bailouts. Balance the budget like my family is forced to do. And put the criminals who caused this mess behind bars.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 01:33 PM
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11. The teabaggers didn't mind funding wars,
thus the protest after Bush left office.
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LeftHandPath Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:04 PM
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20. Not sure how you know this...
but ok.

I was protesting war funding when Bush was in office, so I think your theory has a hole in it.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 05:37 PM
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63. Are you a teabagger? Do you dismiss the fact that
the MAJORITY of so called "Faux" inspired tea baggers supported the war?
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 01:35 PM
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13. Yes. That's what the teabaggers are for. That's why they invited Joe the Plumber and Alan Keyes as
speakers.

:eyes:
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 01:42 PM
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15. You really are one of the fucking clueless multitude, aren't you?
Obama inherited this mess from BUSH, he didn't create it, and until you and the rest of the goddamn tea-bagging Reich-wingers get it through your thick skulls, this Country is on a roller coaster to hell without these expenditures.

Wake up and join the real world. Oh and I hope you are comfortable in your white collar job.
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LeftHandPath Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:03 PM
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19. I guess I should have expected this...
"until you and the rest of the goddamn tea-bagging Reich-wingers get it through your thick skulls, this Country is on a roller coaster to hell without these expenditures."

Riiiighht.

If we dont bailout Goldman Sachs we're all going to hell. Okay.

If we dont bury our next generation in unaffordable debt, we're going to hell. Okay.

Obama did inherit this crisis from Bush. So why is he doing the exact same thing Bush did (propping up insolvent banks) instead of actually trying to fix the problem?
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:32 PM
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33. Okay genius..you solve the crisis RIGHT FUCKING NOW
Since you seem to have all the answers.....
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:47 PM
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39. These snipers have no plans and only come here to rail against us 'Liberuls'.
They all cheered as hundreds of thousands had their nuts blown off in Iraq, ignored Afghanistan becoming the worlds largest supplier of heroin, laughed as GWB filled the strategic petroleum reserves and allowed his 'pals' to manipulate the markets and steal until the economy crashed, let GWB eavesdrop on American citizens and torture Brown people to get information to justify their illegal wars, and all of a sudden he comes out of the fucking woodwork to protest paying back the debt that the fucking fucktard Reich-wingers created.

Give me a break.
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LeftHandPath Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:47 PM
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40. Sure...
Heard of bankruptcy courts? Instead of bailing out the insolvent banks, we point them to the start of the bankruptcy line.

Do you need Goldman, JPM, Morgan Stanley, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or any of the other insolvent banks to survive? No? Me either.

Start prosecutions for fraud. The people at AIG and Goldman Sachs (and others) who started the Credit Default Swap market committed fraud. Everyone of them should be prosecuted and punished. Start with Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke.

Then go after the rating agencies, same thing, fraud. How were Mortgage Backed Securities with 8% default rates kept at AAA ratings? (Washington Mutual) Answer: Fraud.

Then we get rid of our corrupt politicians, all of them. Start with Chris Dodd, the chairman of the Senate Banking committee, who takes millions a year in contributions from the banking industry, and a sweetheart deal on his mortgage from Countrywide.

The only way I'll have confidence in this system again is if we actually deal with the fraud and corruption that got us here in first place.

And lastly. My family lives on a budget. If our income falls, we spend less. We avoid debt, because it costs so much to service the debt. Our country should be no different. Budget deficits are loans from future production, our children's production. We are stealing from the production of our future, to pay for the mistakes of today. The Keynesians are wrong, you/we cannot borrow ourselves into prosperity. We must pay off our debts and run the country on a balanced budget.

My wife calls me 'genius' too by the way. Although usually not in that tone.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:59 PM
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45. Yeah eliminating the biggest banks in the country
Which would probably wipe out the FDIC and in turn help MILLIONS OF PEOPLE lose their savings is REAL HELPFUL dude.
I suggest you read up on what the banking collapse did in the depression.
I'm sorry but plunging this country into probably 85% poverty rate isn't going to fix things. Like or not, the banks are integral to our economic system and need to be fixed.
And what politician isn't corrupt in your little dream world btw?
And i'm sorry but comparing a family buget to how the goverment runs is so pathetically bad its funny.....You have never worked for any government agency have you? Its a HELL of a lot of complex than putting food on the table.
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LeftHandPath Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 03:09 PM
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52. The FDIC was a result of the Great Depression...
and the FDIC is already broke if you didnt know it. Of their $54 billion budget only ~$18 billion is left after the IndyMac bailout.

The biggest banks in our country are insolvent. They are insolvent because they leveraged upwards of 50:1, when traditional banking constrained leverage to 12:1. This was allowed because these same bankers bankrolled our campaign process and bought our Congress lock stock and barrel.

Why do you think we need these big bank? This is a huge mistake in your thinking. We have plenty of banks that didnt play this game and managed their risks properly. Why should the criminals be rewarded?

"You have never worked for any government agency have you? Its a HELL of a lot of complex than putting food on the table."

Actually I have, and you're wrong. Math is math. A budget is a budget. Money comes in, money goes out. You've been programmed to accept the status quo, and ignore the facts. We only get away with these levels of debt because of our empire status and our reserve currency.

I'm not saying this stuff because it makes me feel good, or because I can balance my own budget. I'm saying this because it is unsustainable. Compounding interest is going to kill this country, literally.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 01:57 PM
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17. This variation of "I'm a lifelong Democrat but" got old REAL fast.
Ain't fooling anybody, pal.
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LeftHandPath Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:06 PM
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21. I'm not a Democrat...
And I'm not trying to fool anybody.

Just trying to say that I dont pay off my credit cards with other credit cards, and I dont think our government should either.

Sorry if you find my opinion offensive, but I really wasnt trying to offend anyone.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:21 PM
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28. What do you believe ended the Great Depression?
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:22 PM
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29. Alex I'll take "New Deal Programs by FDR" for $500 please
:eyes:
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:32 PM
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34. It's sad. Just because the Tea Bag Protestors used White Supremacist Organizations and Fox News
to promote this thing, invited a bunch of RW speakers who claim that Obama is some kind of Muslim terrorist and allowed people to walk around with racist signs people seem to think this was something less than a bipartisan protest against corporate greed! Unfair!
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LeftHandPath Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:34 PM
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36. Lots of factors went into ending the GD...
including WWII, and the restructuring of defaulted debt.

FDR's programs certainly were a factor in putting confidence back in the system.

Let me ask you a question. Do you support our current economic system, where bankers rake in billions a year in profits because we the taxpayer lend them money at cheap interest rates so they can lend back to us at higher rates? Where defense contractors get billions in none competing contracts for over priced services?

Do you support the fraudulent Credit Default Market where companies like Goldman Sachs can hedge all their bad mortgage bets on the backs of tax payers? Do you support tax payers bailing out AIG, and paying off Goldman Sachs 100% for their bad bets?

My guess is NO, you dont. I dont.

Nor do I support borrowing another $87 billion this year for Iraq, when it isnt going to do a damn bit of good.

I'm all for spending our hard earned tax dollars on health care, infrastructure, and jobs. I just dont think we should be spending above our means because I think the debt is going to cause the collapse of entire economy, aka Iceland.

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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:38 PM
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37. What about the war do you believe solved it? It was the same principle as the New Deal but on a
Edited on Thu Apr-16-09 02:39 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
huge scale. The government paid people to be soldiers, to manufacture weapons, etc. In other words, it was STILL government spending. The fact that it was money spent on war doesn't make it magically not so. Furhter, to compare the government to a private individual is utterly ridiculous.

You are conflating two issues here. And I looked at lots of video of speeches, posters, etc and NOBODY mentioned credit default swaps. I did see lots of people with "HUSSEIN!" posters and heard a few "I'm not racist, but Obama loves Muslims and Illegals" speeches though.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 03:09 PM
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53. and I suppose
that the expenditure on WWII WASN'T government spending? :crazy:
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LeftHandPath Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 03:15 PM
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54. It was... but who funded the spending?
Was it China? Japan? Goldman Sachs? The Federal Reserve?

No, it was the American people, through war bonds. Remember the Uncle Sam posters?

Who is funding this spending? Who is going to pay it back? What happens foreign countries stop buying our debt and the interest on that debt rises? What happens when the interest payment on that exceeds the capital we have to pay it back?

Again, its the simple math of compounding interest. Just like paying the minimum on your credit card every month, the minimum payment and the balance just go up every month. Eventually, you can no longer service the debt, and you default.

You think things are bad now? How do you think we'll look when interest rates are around 18%?
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 03:28 PM
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58. I'll tell you how it got paid for
In addition to the Uncle Sam war bond drives etc, FDR was not afraid to ask the wealthy to pay their fair share and many of them were proud to do it.Not like today where we have nitwits like Sara Palin chastising Joe Biden for saying that paying taxes is a patriotic duty.

WE need to do the same, right here and right now. Tell the wealthiest pigs in this country to stop whining and pay up. There is no reason our grandchildren have to pay to clean up this mess if our President and Congress will just grow, and keep a spine about them in dealing with it. This mess, like the Great Depression, was caused by the excesses of the wealthiest and most irresponsible people in this country. That they have to pay to clean it up should be a no brainer.

If we can't shake this country and our complicit media out of the "oohh, don't tax the rich or we'll all suffer" mindset, we're doomed.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:30 PM
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31. (sigh)
YOU are offensive.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:31 PM
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32. Yes, we know.
"And I'm not trying to fool anybody."

I think you were, and you just screwed the pooch. If you were being honest, you wouldn't have signed the user agreement claiming to be a democrat.

"Just trying to say that I dont pay off my credit cards with other credit cards, and I dont think our government should either."

You didn't have a problem with that the last 8 years, so don't expect me to take your word for it now.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:59 PM
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44. I completely agree with you on a familial level
We don't use credit here and we are socialists, who just hang around with the democrats. On a country wide aspect, we need to go massively in debt to help build true sustaining infrastructure and manufacturing bases again. Then, the government needs to go into austerity mode and get out of debt and stop buying today what can be held off to tomorrow.

Some of the kneejerk dissing comes from something you haven't much say over = You have a low post count. That will fix itself in time.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 03:01 PM
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46. do you honestly think that you can compare the government budget
to a family budget? That is like saying my cat is related to lions and so I should not have anything to fear from lions...
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #21
64. You don't offend.
You amuse.

Different thing.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:19 PM
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27. Well then your ass should have been out there protesting YEARS ago
Edited on Thu Apr-16-09 03:04 PM by LynneSin
Obama is spending for one reason and one reason only - to help keep everything afloat until we can turn this economy around. He wouldn't have to do this if Bush didn't spend like a drunken sailer in a "2-for-1" night at the local $10 whorehouse.

Your shame is you didn't care until now, you didn't think it was important until now that you should go out there and protest.

Am I happy with what Obama is doing? I have no clue because of two reasons - first, I don't have a better idea and second I'd like to see how this works out.

What you don't understand about this recession is that NO ONE is spending money. Sure I may have my job, but I've watched people get laid off and because of that I'm spending less even though I still have my job. See we need to get the consumers out there feeling like they can spend some money again which means we have to stabilize the job market and find ways to create new jobs. When the job market turns around, people will start spending money again and THAT will bring the taxes back into our government and help pay off our debt. And no, giving the tax breaks to the rich won't do it. We need to not only give the tax breaks to the working class but to turn this job market around so that we feel safe enough with our jobs that we feel ok to go out and spend a little again (perhaps not so carelessly that we get up to our eyes in debt).

As for the Teabaggers - there is NO WAY I'm going to stand out there with a bunch of idiots that couldn't take 2 minutes to google the word "tea bag" before using it to identify their cause. I spent two hours listening ot the local DJ on a top Philadelphia radio station not only busting jokes on the protests but reading directly from Wikipedia what 'teabagging' means. You think I want to associate with that? Half the battle of creating a successful protest is marketing it in a way that makes regular folks think "This is something I'd want to join in" I can assure you that regular folks don't want to join in a teabagging.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:34 PM
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35. +1
:applause:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:46 PM
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38. !
"He wouldn't have to do this if Bush didn't spend like a drunken sailer in a "2-for-1" night at the local $10 whorehouse."

:rofl:


:yourock:
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BlueCollar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #38
62. All that time in the Navy....
and I never got offered a deal like that...

:rofl:
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LeftHandPath Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:58 PM
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43. Hogwash...
"Obama is spending for one reason and one reason only - to help keep everything afloat until we can turn this economy around."

Turn the economy around? What does that mean? Re-blow the housing bubble? Go further into debt that we cannot repay?

"Your shame is you didn't care until now, you didn't think it was important until now that you should go out there and protest."

I worked yesterday, and I've been to multiple protest over the last 8 years. Just trying to offer a different view point, and I should have known better. Oh well, live and learn I guess.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 03:02 PM
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47. Our local teabagging was during the lunch hours
So anyone could have made it.

And clearly you slept thru the FDR years during your history class. FDR spent money on programs to help create jobs and rebuild the economy. And he got us out of the depression. The difference between FDR and Obama is that our economy has not hit rock bottom yet. But why wait until it's at the absolute worst before we start solving the problems?
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 03:04 PM
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49. I doubt you will learn
You are NOT listening to what people are telling you.
And I want you to answer why you think dropping this country into a fucking depression is gonna be helpful.
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LeftHandPath Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 03:36 PM
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59. We're already in a depression TZ...
Why do you think re-inflating the bubble, and restarting the fraud machine is going to provide a prosperous future for our country?

Do you know how many investment banks were in the DOW in 1982? None. Banks were considered slow growth enterprises, conservative investments. We had Glass-Stigel which kept deposit banks separate from investment banks. We didnt have Credit Default Swaps, Collateralized Mortgage Obligations, Mortgage Backed Securities, Interest Rate Swaps, Interest Only Mortgages, Option-ARM Mortgages, 0% down Mortgages, or any of the crap we have today that is supposed to magically make risk disappear.

Yet the world continued to spin everyday. People bought houses, borrowed money, started business, and we grew at a steady pace with manageable debt.

Then we started spraying ether (debt) into the engine. We removed regulations and let the banks have free reign. We sold off our manufactoring base, embraced the debt based consumer society.

Do you want to go back to that? Or do you want to fix this mess, punish the guilty, and get back to growing at a steady pace with debt that wont burden the next 4 generations.

I know you're going to hate hearing me say this, but my bet is you agree with me, but you just dont realize it yet.

All the best.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 03:06 PM
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51. Different view points are fine to offer.
But, when you defend right wing sponsored anti-Obama rallies on a Democratic discussion board, you should expect push back.
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LeftHandPath Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 03:21 PM
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56. I did expect it...
and I'm not defending the right-wing anti-Obama rallies.

I'm defending the left-wing protesters who dont want trillions in new debt so that we can pay off the criminals in the banking system.

Thanks for the warning though. I guess I'm just pissed off that we are wasting all this money on bailing out criminals, and anyone who speaks out against this nonsense is instantly labeled a rabid right-wing racist.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 03:26 PM
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57. It wasn't a left-wing protest, though.
It was funded and promoted by the rich right wingers. The people who were in attendance were not of the left-wing. They were sheep, herded there by hate radio and Fux news, funded by Dick Armey and other right Right WIngers.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:24 PM
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30. Don't forget they are protesting for freedom from Obama fascism too!
They fucking rock..:sarcasm:
Okay..if you want to defend people WHO FUCKING COMPARED OBAMA TO HITLER AND THE HOLOCAUST you go right ahead. Just don't be surprised when you get flamed, jackass.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:48 PM
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41. You are standing with the teabaggers?
You stand with this?


And this?


And this?


And this?


If you do, you are on the wrong forum, get lost.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 03:03 PM
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48. And that's ANOTHER reason I want nothing to do with these idiots...
they own guns and probably have very little training on how to use them.

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LeftHandPath Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 03:42 PM
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60. Point taken...
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 03:59 PM
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61. I now this is par for the course, but the idiot in the last pic.
Edited on Thu Apr-16-09 04:00 PM by Touchdown
... Protesting against "Communist Tyranny" decided to use a gun that was made by communists, designed by communists, and funded by a communist government, where that communist government took the profits for the sale of each.:rofl:
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 03:05 PM
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50. Where were the public teabaggers when Bush was in office?
You know, when those two wars were started, when the deficit ballooned,when the financial institutions were speculating their ways into this mess?

There are many lefties who are unhappy with those things and many of us did protest the wars and the deficit budgets and spoke to the need for more mortgage regulation and oversight during W's administration. I don't remember any FAUX news or Limbaugh fans out there with us.

There may be a few lefties who were duped into joining this poorly named but well-funded astroturf movement but this is a conservative-led attempt to shift all the blame to Obama and the racists have jumped on its coat tails. Any lefty who showed up for a teabagging, read the signs and talked to those around him/her would feel as out of place as at a Phelps protest.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 08:19 AM
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65. They were texting Congressional Pages and wide-stepping in Airport Men's Room
:grr:
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 01:29 PM
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9. automatic recommendation for the rude one....
:yourock:
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 01:34 PM
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12. I miss your sig smilie, Meegbear.
I love seeing that little guy.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 01:36 PM
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14. He'll be back in a day or two ...
Edited on Thu Apr-16-09 01:44 PM by meegbear
that caffeine high from all the tea got me flying (and doing typos).
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:07 PM
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23. No one can sum up this particular protest
like Rude.

"One last thing: Unless Joe the Plumber starts snakin' some fuckin' pipes, he has to drop the title." :rofl:
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:11 PM
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25. I would say it's like going to a Yankees game but being forced to watch from outside the stadium
Edited on Thu Apr-16-09 02:12 PM by LynneSin
you're at the ballpack but you're not allowed in to see the game. There's probably not one person out there protesting that is a future multi-millionaire. That's ok, neither am I. But I'm also smart enough to not go to Yankee Stadium for a ballgame if I don't have tickets
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:14 PM
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26. I love me some Rude Pundit
Great blog.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:53 PM
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42. Do yourself a favor and check out Rude's post entitled "Glenn Beck in Teabag Heaven"
I made the mistake of reading it at the office. People were wondering what the guffaws were all about.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 03:15 PM
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55. OMG He INSULTED the Alamo! Any minute now, weepy eyed Texans will be OUTRAGED!!!
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