Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

What a "wingnut" friend recently told me

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:09 PM
Original message
What a "wingnut" friend recently told me
I am afraid, M--- . My life is upside down and I am afraid of what can happen.


She was honest with me because I am always straight with her.I don't remember when I didn't know her and I am 68.


Fear is a dangerous and debilitating thing. I do not despise her , but I despise what she believes in. I pity her.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:14 PM
Response to Original message
1. I'd Put The "Friend" in Quotations...
A freeper is always a freeper...but I get the feeling she isn't one, just confused and misinformed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #1
9. She is misinformed
but she believes what she believes because she has always believed it!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:14 PM
Response to Original message
2. What's So Wingnutty
about what she said?

Lots of lives are upside down these days - worries about job loss, home loss, health care loss.

More info about her wingnutiness is needed
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #2
8. she likes Sara Palin
is that wingnutty enough?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:15 PM
Response to Original message
3. Frank Herbert had it best in his original "Dune": "Fear is the mindkiller"
It truly does cloud the judgment of the normally rational. There are those who falsely sow fear on political levels and will always get away with it despite it fitting the true definition of the word "terrorism."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #3
13. Dune is one of my favorite books
but I do not think it is among hers.

She is a fundy christain, and that just feeds the fear.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. Fundementalism and it's world of absolutes cannot help her at all.
Very sad...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:15 PM
Response to Original message
4. some people simply thrive off the energy of fear
they gravitate to it, making up unbelievable scenarios and then totally believing them

or so it seems to me

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #4
14. fundy churches feed the fear
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. it's easy to instill fear in the uninformed or those unwilling to inform themselves
and Fox Noise and the fundy religions feed off that

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
polysciguy420 Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:17 PM
Response to Original message
5. you gotta' realize one thing though
Jitterbug. Things like this are always two-fold. What's good for "us" liberals, sucks for them (conservatives). They can be afraid all they want, change is inevitable regardless. Acceptance and adaptation would be a better doctrine to follow than fear, but that's just my opinion. Let em feel however they wanna' feel, while we sit back and enjoy whats going on in our country as we can respect President Obama for who he really is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. Actually what's good for us is usually good for them too.
The rank and file lower and middle classes generally benefit. They just suffer from a severe bout of "single issue voting" and "voting against one's own self interest."

Now the top 3% in the income bracket Republicans? Not so much.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. she is definately not the top 3%
but she is really scared about her money. It just doesn't seem to register with these people that their taxes wont increase
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. I doubt she really understands what make her so afraid.
And that her fears are quite far from being realistic let alone being realized.

Very sad.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #5
15. resisting change
is unfortunately something we over 60s have to fight . I have to resist being "set in my ways" constantly
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:18 PM
Response to Original message
6. What's she afraid of now that Obama's in office?
What could she be afraid of NOW that wasn't something to be (legitimately) afraid of while Bush was in office? The stimulus package (is THAt what the cons were protesting? Nobody really knows) costs way less than any of Bush's war adventures, and those were legitimate threats to our safety and security. She's not getting her taxes raised (unless she's filthy rich, and even then, it's negligible), and her standard of living, if it changes, will change because of things Bush did, not obama. Did conservatives think everything was just fuckin' hunky dory for the last eight years? It must be the "black president" thing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #6
11. SOCIALISM
which in her (their) mind is equal to Communism
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #11
18. Is she a multi-billionaire CEO? No? Then she has nothing to be afraid of from socialism..
...which is a total non-issue, since Obama is NOWHERE NEAR a real socialist. (I WISH he was a socialist!)Socialism is neither a threat nor a possibility.

Why are people in this country so afraid of the "s" word? I just don't get it. I mean, predatory capitalism has been a much more destructive force in the last thirty years, whereas many European countries who employ economic socialism are thriving and happy. Unregulated capitalism got her into whatever mess she imagines she's in, not socialism.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. No unbiased education in word meanings
People have no idea what terms like "communism" or "socialism" mean by definition. They have been used by the right to conjure up emotionality. The right can call Obama a fascist and a communist in the same paragraph, they might as well just use the generic term "boogy-man", with them it has just about as much actual meaning.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #18
21.  she really has no idea
what socialism really is, and has no interest in finding out. It has been the boogey man since the cold war , and that is what my generation remembers. It was interesting that most of the protesters yesterday were old people . That indicates to me that they are afraid more than anything.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:51 PM
Response to Original message
19. People who refuse to seek information can't be helped
out of their fear. They will not look for unbiased information because they are told that they must only listen to Fox News or Limbaugh, Hannity, etc.... And they will not let go of the belief that they MUST listen to their preachers, who tell them that the world as they know it is over because of Obama. People that will not even open their mind enough to seek other opinions are living in a false world of fear, they cannot be helped unless they are willing to leave the self-constructed prison of dogma surrounding them and peek out into the real world. Anything you try to say will be dismissed with a reciting of pure wrote propaganda, and you will be told you are just a stupid liberal.

Been there, done that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #19
23. my fundy friends

think my liberalism is "cute" and I couldn't possibly really mean it! 'Oh, you have always been a rebel" is what I hear a lot! I just smile and change the subject . I have known these people my whole life and it is to late to change now.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. No, can't change them
I decided my marriage was more important to me than trying to keep educating my husband on the error of his political ways. I love the man, and when we don't talk politics we are great together. Luckily he is more of a libertarian type Republican who just doesn't want to pay taxes except for a big, giant military budget that pays for cool killing machines (it's like a fifty-something version of playing with GI Joe via Fox News). If he was a Fundy Christian in any way we would have never even had a second date back in my non-political days when we met (let him know up front that religion is NOT for me).

Love people first. But sometimes views can't be changed. Be the liberal you wish they were and live your values without the fear. Actions may speak much louder than any words.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 01:00 PM
Response to Original message
22. Someone is manipulating her. They *want* her to be afraid.
She's compliant when she's afraid.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #22
24.  The Assemblies of God church
is her problem , but to her it is her salvation
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. And the compliant will hand over their $$$$
for whatever promise of protection/salvation is offered.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 26th 2024, 02:58 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC