ACLU posts the new torture related documents that were released

[slipslidingaway]

Demand Accountability for Torture

https://secure.aclu.org/site/SPageServer?pagename=Nat_Petition_SpecialProsecutor&s_src=UNW090001ACT&s_subsrc=flyer&JServSessionIdr009=sjsqqdlqw2.app25a

"On Thursday, April 16th, the Justice Department could release key memos that formed the basis of the Bush administration's illegal torture program.

To restore America's commitment to human rights, we must demand a thorough criminal investigation.

Tell Attorney General Eric Holder to appoint an independent prosecutor to investigate the detainee abuse."


http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/olc_memos.html

"For more than five years, the ACLU and other advocacy organizations have been seeking the release of Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) memos that supplied the basis for the Bush administration's interrogation, detention, rendition, and warrantless surveillance policies.

The OLC, which is a component of the Justice Department, was created to provide objective legal advice to the Attorney General and to resolve legal disputes among federal agencies. During the Bush administration, however, the OLC became a facilitator for illegal government conduct, issuing dozens of memos meant to permit gross violations of domestic and international law. Some of these memos have become public through leaks to the media and through the ACLU's litigation under the Freedom of Information Act. But most of them are still secret.

The Obama administration should release the still-secret memos. As the ACLU wrote in a January 28, 2009 letter to the OLC, the release of the memos would allow the public to better understand the legal basis for the Bush administration's national security policies; to better understand the role that the OLC played in developing, justifying, and advocating those policies; and to participate more meaningfully in the ongoing debate about national security, civil liberties, and human rights."

[tekisui]

1. k,r,and reading...

[lamp_shade]

2. Thank. You.

[xchrom]

3. thanks -- recommend. nt

[Spazito]

4. Thanks for the link!

Recommended.

[ThomWV]

5. At a glance it doesn't look like too much has been cut out - names mostly

I started to read the first one and then decided that all I really needed to do was glance through the memos to see how much was cut out. It doesn't look too bad. I could only get to see 2 of them, it or I crashed when I tried to look at the lower two.

[Supersedeas]

12. if only a small percentage of SERE students report to psych services, then no real harm in technique

[malaise]

6. Thanks

K & R

[Supersedeas]

7. First Redaction related to Insects in a Box with the captive??

[barbtries]

8. the site is timing out

must be quite a bit of interest. :evilgrin:

[jazzjunkysue]

9. Can someone with a stronger stomach than mine please summarize?

Anything new? Any Bush admin names attached?

[Supersedeas]

14. the APA will be happy to know that the on-site psychologist approves of the techniques

[slipslidingaway]

10. Thanks for the knr's .....

taking a break from reading til later.

[slipslidingaway]

11. Another possible link...

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/opa_documents.htm

They are not there yet.

[slipslidingaway]

13. CONVENTION AGAINST TORTURE - link

http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cat.html

[Supersedeas]

15. Bybee is now a Federal Judge appointed for life -- Justice?

The Convention was not a priority in Bybee's reasoning.

[slipslidingaway]

24. That is scary, someone show check into that n/t

[barbtries]

16. oh gawd i started reading

i feel sick.

[Supersedeas]

20. you're responding...."Gul's responsiveness to different areas of inquiry" was not satisfactory

[Spazito]

17. Absolutely nauseating....

I have found little that hasn't already leaked out already, the use of insects was unknown to me, but seeing the torture techniques laid out in dry, legal language with appalling, imo, rationale behind it, accentuates the horror somehow.

[biopowertoday]

18. NO prosecutions per Obama via CIA-just heard

this on abc.

[Solly Mack]

19. K&R

War Crime Nation

[biopowertoday]

21. msnbc...CIA employees won't be tried for waterboarding

Forum Name Latest Breaking News
Topic subject CIA employees won't be tried for waterboarding
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3834913#3834913
3834913, CIA employees won't be tried for waterboarding
Posted by joeybee12 on Thu Apr-16-09 06:48 PM

Source: MSNBC

WASHINGTON - The Obama administration on Thursday informed CIA officials who used waterboarding and other harsh interrogation tactics on terror suspects that they will not be prosecuted, senior administration officials told The Associated Press.

Even before President Barack Obama took office in January, aides signaled his administration was not likely to bring criminal charges against CIA employees for their roles in the secret, coercive terrorist interrogation program. It had been deemed legal at the time through opinions issued by the Justice Department under the Bush administration.

But the statement being issued Thursday by Attorney General Eric Holder, the nation's chief law enforcement officer, is the first definitive assurance that those CIA officials are in the clear, as long as their actions were in line with the legal advice at the time.



Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30249847 /

[ThirdWorldJohn]

22. So Bush and Cheney and Yoo and Gonzo and the rest

Should be on the no fly list. No wonder when bush was asked what he would miss the most, his answer was Air Force One.

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

23. This is interesting, from the memo

Under Section 2340A, a violation of 2340A requires a showing that: (1) the torture occurred outside the United States.


I wonder why they quantified outside the United States?


Oh wait, I already know. It's what most of you can't stomach here. Torn_Scorned_Ignored and my tales of Constitutional Violations AND Torture
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Thanks ACLU for all the help you've offered me.

Ohio.