Susan Boyle Can Sing, no fluke!

[GiveMeFreedom]

Being gobsmacked by Susan, I am posting this link to the only known professional recording she has ever made. Only 1000's CD's released.


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2009/04/16/exclusive-susan-boyle-s-first-ever-song-release-revealed-listen-to-it-here-86908-21283564/

if above does not work

http://www.inquisitr.com/22139/susan-boyle-cry-me-a-river-audio/






edited to add second link

[kestrel91316]

1. I listened to that yesterday. GORGEOUS voice.

[MineralMan]

2. She has a nice voice, for sure.

For me, the interesting thing is that there are many, many people with very good voices. She has done very well for herself. What amazed so many people was not that she's a wonderful singer, but that those people couldn't imagine that a plain person would have a good voice.

We are so used to our musical stars being physically attractive as well. A pity, really, since there are an equal number of fine talents who don't combine physical beauty with their voices. In fact, we rarely hear from the fine voices in humble-looking people.

We aren't interested. So, this came as a big shock to many. It shouldn't have.

[omega minimo]

3. The comparison of voice to package is not all of it. It is THAT VOICE.

When do we hear voices that "good," that clear, that honest, that strong?

Look at how the very show/s she was on manipulates people into doing all sorts of phony tricks with their voices to "win."

Please take it from someone with no love for hokey musical theater music, Susan Boyle is not just another drop in the bucket.

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[MineralMan]

5. I said she had a nice voice. I've been around vocalists

most of my life. Her voice is good, but not extraordinarily good. Go sit in an audition for a college or good community chorus. You'll hear voice after voice just as good.

She has some training, and that's a very good thing. Her pitch is good, and she has good control over her vibrato and phrasing. That's all stuff that all competent vocalists share. She also has a nice stage presence.

I hope she has great success.

[omega minimo]

6. Ok. Thank you. I would like to hear more of this quality of voice in media and as for theater

if it isn't hokey, that's a good thing. :thumbsup:

[MineralMan]

8. It's a pretty standard singing style these days.

Nicely expressive, flowing. The singer who originally popularized that song sang it very much the same.

There are several popular singers using a similar style right now.

Then, there is her sultry rendition of "Cry Me A River," which is done in a different style...also very similar to another singer of that song.

Karaoke. The better you are able to mimic the original of a tune, the better you do. As I said in the message below, I would really like to see what she can do when not copying a singer. A good vocal coach should be able to help her create her own, unique style.

[omega minimo]

10. Sorry, but the "standard singing style" does not pack the power and clarity that her voice did.

From one not impressed with vocal acrobatics as singing.

[MineralMan]

15. I'm afraid you're wrong. I didn't say

She's mimicing "A" standard singing style in the two songs I've heard. A different one in each song.

First, in the song from "Les Mis," she was mimicing the style from the soundtrack album. In her "Cry Me A River," she was mimicing a fairly standard bluesy torch singer.

As far as power goes, I didn't hear that in her voice, which is actually rather delicate in nature, and quiet. Her dynamic range is fairly small.

From a casual listener's point of view, she's quite good.

[omega minimo]

17. you misread my post, but since you know better, it doesn't matter anyway

[MineralMan]

7. To extend a little...

I listened to her rendition of "Cry Me A River" today. She apparently has a strong knack for copying the style of other singers. She's an excellent voice mimic. It's a fine talent to have.

I'd be really interested to give her music for a song she hasn't heard, along with a really good accompaniest. Let her rehearse it for a week, then listen to her interpretation. That would be a good test of whether she has her own voice...the key to being a spectacular performer.

[omega minimo]

9. So good a "mimic" that is sounds like an extraordinarily real voice?

:-)

[MineralMan]

14. Sure. That's what these "reality" talent shows

are about. Not originality. The best mimics win. That's why the shows suck so badly.

Make no mistake, I like her voice. I just hope this flash of publicity gets her a chance to develop a unique style. Otherwise, she'll be a flash in the pan...a karaoke queen.

As I said, there are literally tens of thousands of people with fine voices out there. Most are happy making music for its own sake. I've heard many, many who were Ms. Boyle's equal...who could sing in several styles equally beautifully. Some were close friends.

Go listen to her sing "Cry Me a River" again, then go to YouTube and listen to Julie London, Diana Krall, and others sing the same song. Even Barbra Streisand. Then listen to Susan Boyle again. You'll see what I mean.

[omega minimo]

16. You're an expert. You have a POV. Yes, the star shows suck. Yet you're not hearing that those other

professional voices do not have the resonance for me that Susan Boyle's did. There are probably others who don't fancy theater and theatrical music because most of it seems hokey and contrived, does not encourage a real honesty of voice, aside from vocal calisthenic power.

I did like Streisand singing that song she wrote: Evergreen. :hi:

[MineralMan]

18. Go listen to another version of "I Dreamed A Dream"

here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcMJlTjzZgs&feature=related

Hayley Westenra is just 15 years old. Compare the two versions.

Then search YouTube for other renditions of the same song. Listen to as many as you can stand, then go back and listen to Hayley's and Susan's again.

[omega minimo]

20. Let me put it in a "casual listener" way you might unnerstan. I HATE THAT KIND OF MUSIC

:toast: until Susan Boyle and now that song keeps running through my head.

[MilesColtrane]

24. People can't separate her "story" from her voice.

Or more importantly, they don't wish to.

Play them a cut of Petula Clark (who Boyle reminds me of a bit) singing the same song and it won't get the same reaction, in spite the fact that Clark is a better singer.

Conversely, if someone heard Susan Boyle for the first time thinking she was a journeyman broadway singer, instead of a plain looking, unknown, they wouldn't have a life changing experience.

[omega minimo]

25. Some people can't accept that her voice struck a chord beyond the story and package.

As if they know better.

[hyphenate]

26. I think Hayley is very talented

but her rendition, while perhaps more perfect technically, doesn't carry the same maturity that Susan Boyle gives the song--yes, her appearance contributed a lot to the poignancy of her singing it, and adding life experiences to the emotionality of it made it resonate even more. If you've been groomed from an early age to be a singer or musician, it's one thing, but to single out that extraordinary voice in this case is quite another.

Yes, there are a lot of great, undiscovered talents out there, and there always will be. The truth is, some will never have the courage to act on their dreams, for whatever reason they would like to think is true. But few people, except for maybe Grandma Moses (!), are prepared to defer their goals, wishes and hopes until they are through with caregiving of an aged parent, for example, as in Susan's case. It's not easy doing that amount of labor for many long years, no matter who they are. You have to keep your own needs and wants suppressed, and keep from resenting the person you're caring for.

How each of us relates to the BGT clip is also part of our own life's work. Some of us see a lot of ourselves in Susan, or perhaps someone might have been as cynical as Simon, Piers or Amanda, and found themselves realizing how quick to judge we all are at times, and take home the lesson of how quickly perceptions changed once she began to sing. It doesn't matter in the end, because the reaction to the clip, from the many hundreds of comments on each site showing it, shows that an emotional response is achieved, and isn't that the whole point of music, poetry, or other form of talent, anyhow? In the end, some will still not understand the phenomenon that has happened this past week, and others will have had their lives drastically changed by it. If it means that someone like Susan, who walks through life a little wounded, gets a person to think about how they treat others, than the events of this past week will have made their mark.

One of my favorite points in the video is about a 1/3 in, I think, when Simon is watching Susan simply captivated, and he begins to break into a wide grin. He is actually listening to her, engrossed in the song. That moment alone was and is worth watching. I remember when he reacted similarly two years ago with Paul Potts (another BGT winner who was, himself, unassuming and shy) and it seems like he genuinely enjoys surprises. Being in the music industry as he is, he has likely heard many talents and non-talents over the years, and seeing his initial reaction was priceless. Even cynics like Simon Cowell need to believe in happy endings, too.

Mimicking other vocalists might be a talent in and of itself, but how many can actually get away with it? as you said, they need to find their own voice, but being able to recognize the songs and the range of their own limitations is a talent all its own. How many people can hit both the high notes and the low notes that would be required in certain songs? There are singers who are all flash and no talent, and we know that. To see someone finally gaining recognition, such as Susan in this case, is just such a great feeling to go with. It really doesn't matter, though--we're all different, and how we interpret art is unique. And that is almost always a good thing.

[Warpy]

12. I think what she has is already commercial

and as long as she picks her material carefully (and the two things she's done so far suggests she knows what she does best), I can see an album that does sell.

However, what I also heard was potential. Oh, she can sound like somebody else and sell the song their way, but I think with the right coaching, she could be truly stunning.

What I hope doesn't happen is some sort of a tour after a bunch of people try to glam her up. That isn't where she needs the work and it might work against her.

[MineralMan]

13. No question. She definitely has a sellable voice

and now she has the exposure. I hope she develops herself into a unique talent, and there is help out there to give her that. Sadly, she'll probably end up being exploited and do covers...very good covers...but covers. If that's what happens, she'll get one album out of it.

If, however, she finds her unique voice and develops it, she could make a nice little career out of it.

Did I say I loathe these "reality" talent things? They're all about covering.

[GiveMeFreedom]

19. One things for sure

Success is headed her way. And yes, you are right, most of us are shocked that we aren't capable of judging a person by just looking at them.

[Faygo Kid]

11. "Cry Me A River" - wonder if that will be her next song on the show?

Stunning. I weep that she has lost all these years, with that voice.

She knows HOW to sing a song. That's at least as important as the quality of her voice. I don't need to be yelled at by someone who can sing five octaves. I want someone who knows HOW to sing a song, like Frank, Ella, Billie, Tony. And, from this recording, Susan.

[kanrok]

21. All I know is

If I could sing like that (well, like a guy singing that) all I would do all day is sing.

[Faygo Kid]

23. Singing all day long sounds like a good idea, whatever your voice.

Thanks for the suggestion.

:hi:

[geiger]

22. amazing!