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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 08:33 PM
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Sleep Expert 'Surprised And Saddened' His Study Twisted In Torture Memo
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Sleep Expert "Surprised And Saddened" To Find Research Twisted In Torture Memo
By Zachary Roth - April 17, 2009, 2:03PM


A British professor whose research on sleep was cited in one of the just-released Bush administration torture memos has expressed outrage that his work was used to justify extreme sleep deprivation, including keeping subjects awake for up to 11 days.

In an interview with TPMmuckraker, James Horne, a leading authority in the field of sleep research, said he was "surprised and saddened" to see Bush officials "misrepresent" his research to argue that such sleep deprivation does not cause serious harm to its subjects.

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Informed by TPMmuckraker that his work had been put to this use, Horne -- who heads the Sleep Research Centre, at Loughborough University in Leicestershire, U.K. -- was indignant. He explained the crucial difference between his controlled experiments, in which subjects were under no additional stress, and the CIA's use of sleep deprivation on interrogation subjects.

"As soon as you add in any other stress, any other psychological stress, then the sleep deprivation feeds on that, and the two compound each other to make things far worse. I made that very, very clear," he said. "And there's been a lot of research by others since then to show that this is the case."

As for whether such stress could be considered "harmful," Horne was unequivocal. "I thought it was totally inappropriate to cite my book as being evidence that you can do this and there's not much harm. With additional stress, these people are suffering. It's obviously traumatic," he said. "I just find it absurd."

Further, Horne continued, sleep-deprived subjects become so confused that they're highly unlikely to offer useful intelligence. "I don't understand what you're going to get out of it," he said. "You can no longer think rationally, you just become more of an automaton ... These people will just be spewing nonsense anyway. It's pointless!"

In sum, said Horne, he feels "saddened" that the memo's author "didn't fully interpret what I actually wrote." The memo "distorts what I really meant, and I never meant for it to be, in any way, indicative that you could start torturing people in this way. That was not the intention at all."

Bradbury did not respond to an email from TPMmuckraker requesting comment.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 08:35 PM
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1. K&R
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 08:36 PM
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2. k&r! nt
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 08:38 PM
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3. I would be livid
Can you imagine? Your research twisted and used to approve of torture? I feel for this researcher.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 12:14 AM
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7. I hope the m$m reports this, but nothing so far. nt
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 08:40 PM
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4. 11 days? I can barely get through 2 and be functional on any level
Edited on Fri Apr-17-09 08:43 PM by DS1
I'd be telling them the Hamburglar was about to attack the St. Louis Arch at that point.

And that's not even considering the confinement. Sure, I could possibly go 11 days or longer, but you would not get a coherent version of me. I doubt you'd get anything coherent from anyone at that point. At that point, you might as well play the interview tapes backwards and listen for "Satan", you're likely to get it.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 08:42 PM
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5. Prosecute the psychopaths! nt
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 08:55 PM
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6. I suffered from sleep disorders
And if someone was EVER to use the things I said when I was sleep-deprived, they would be idiots.

Because the things I said made no sense and I had NO recollection of saying them afterwards.

Whoever said that sleep deprivation was a "loosener of tongues" is insane.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 12:19 AM
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8. "... indicative that you could start torturing people in this way."
OOOps. A potential witness against Bushco? Oh, that's right! Nothing's going to happen. Obama's going to go Pelosi on us.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 12:20 AM
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9. I'm curious about what long term harm is done.
The military used sleep deprivation all the time to increase stress in training. They may owe me a bunch of money.

David
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 07:11 AM
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