Georgia Senate threatens dismantling of USA

[NightWatcher]

Please forgive me if yall have already seen this, but I just caught it a couple days ago
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2009/04/16/georgia-senate-threatens-dismantling-of-usa/

Georgia Senate threatens dismantling of USA (not the who legislature, but the Senate. The House has yet to take the matter up, but damn)

It wasn’t quite the firing on Fort Sumter that launched the Civil War. But on April 1, your Georgia Senate did threaten by a vote of 43-1 to secede from and even disband the United States.

It was not an April Fool’s joke.

In fact, Senate Resolution 632 did a lot more than merely threaten to end this country. It stated that under the Constitution, the only crimes the federal government could prosecute were treason, piracy and slavery.

“Therefore, all acts of Congress which assume to create, define or punish crimes … are altogether void, and of no force,” the Georgia Senate declared.

In other words, in the infinite, almost unanimous wisdom of the Georgia Senate, Michael Vick is being imprisoned illegally, Bernie Madoff should serve no time for stealing $60 billion and the Unabomber must go free. In fact, the federal penitentiary in Atlanta should be emptied of its inmates.

But wait, there’s more.

The resolution goes on to endorse the theory that states have the right to abridge constitutional freedoms of religion, press and speech. According to the resolution, it is up to the states to decide “how far the licentiousness of speech and of the press may be abridged.”

The resolution even endorses “nullification,” the legal concept that states have the power to “nullify” or ignore federal laws that they believe exceed the powers granted under the Constitution. That concept has a particularly nasty legacy. It helped precipitate the Civil War, and in the 1950s and early ’60s it was cited by Southern states claiming the right to ignore Supreme Court rulings ordering the end of segregation.

Finally, the resolution states that if Congress, the president or federal courts take any action that exceeds their constitutional powers, the Constitution is rendered null and void and the United States of America is officially disbanded. As an example, the resolution specifically states that if the federal government enacts “prohibitions of type or quantity of arms or ammunition,” the country is disbanded.

In other words, if Congress votes to restore the ban on sale of assault rifles, the United States is deemed to no longer exist.

This, your Georgia state Senate voted 43-1 to endorse.

much more at link
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2009/04/16/georgia-senate-threatens-dismantling-of-usa/


woohoo, we're now fighting with Texas, Oklahoma, and South Dakota over who is the more bat-shit crazier.

[leftofthedial]

1. Maybe we'll get to make more Obama-Lincoln comparisons...

at the rate the yokels are threatening to leave.

[marmar]

2. I'm so sick of stupid Billy Joe Jim Bobs I don't know what to do.

:dunce: :argh:

[BlooInBloo]

4. In 20 years, they'll mostly be dead. And they haven't be reproducing as much.

[LaurenG]

3. Weird

there seems to be quite a few people throwing tantrums lately. :shrug:

[annabanana]

6. sore losers. . They just can't believe that they aren't still

getting their way about every damn thing..

[roguevalley]

27. I guess we shall have to go down there and kick their asses again.

Just cut off the federal money, move bases and businesses that are federal and watch them eat dirt. God, I am sick of stupid.

[cloudbase]

33. If you're going to burn Atlanta,

just take out the airport and leave the rest of the city alone. Thanks.

[roguevalley]

43. My family were confederates mostly. I am just tired of this kind of

dumbassery. As for parts of the south that are rockin', leave them be.

[Thrill]

5. They should do it. See how long they last without the Federal Govt

[Blue_Tires]

57. maybe that old stash of confederate-printed money will be worth something again...

I would *really* love to see how long their schools and universities last...And I say that as a graduate of a Georgia college...

[xchrom]

7. still fighting the civil war. nt

[Kingofalldems]

8. Man, the nation's hicks are on the march this week

[pscot]

9. Revolting Rednecks

:crazy:

[Buzz Clik]

10. Michael Vick?

:rofl:

[Renew Deal]

11. Based on their criteria, we should have been disbanded when DOMA passed.

The legislation makes no sense. And aren't there Democrats in that chamber? They voted for this shit too?

[NightWatcher]

13. it was snuck in on the last day of the session and added to another piece of legislation

no one reads anything down here. I swear, I could conquer these idiots and become their ruler

[roguevalley]

28. Well. maybe embarrassment will change things then.

[Arkana]

59. You know now what you must do.

[bemildred]

12. Whoa. Nullification. This is really retro. nt

[droidamus2]

14. Just tell em

Hey all you Southerners that keep threatening to secede need we point out that we had a war over this question and need we point out YOU LOST!!! As your ilk so blithely pointed out after the stolen election of 2000 'GET OVER IT'.

[Kalyke]

20. Alaska, South Dakota and Oklahoma aren't Southern states.

Therefore, your regional bigotry isn't worth a flip at this particular junction.

[droidamus2]

25. Funny

I always thought of Oklahoma as a southern state my mistake. I wasn't aware of South Dakota threatening to secede. You got me on Alaska. Without a doubt I have a problem with the South in general that I don't apologize for its just my opinion, that does not mean all the people of the south are bad. I guess it comes from hearing most of the people representing the Republican party/conservatives for the last 30 years having a southern accent. I have a big problem with that segment of the South that still seems to be fighting the Civil War or will not accept the fact that they put up the good fight but lost. Of course in this day and age with the way people move around 'the south' is as much a mindset to me as it is a particular region of the country.

[roguevalley]

29. Alaska has all the redneck rejects from every other place that fled

when they couldn't get their way down south. They are a joke up here. Our legislature kicked Palin's ass this week, defeating her pipeline fiasco and sending her redneck Attorney General pick packing. Also, they are fighting her foisting of candidates to fill a dem's seat. We have her on the run, no doubt.

[GoCubsGo]

40. I'm surprised South Carolina isn't on that list...

As you all know, our governor is batshit crazy. The only thing keeping him from spout secessionist BS is that the state legislature hates his guts. They would not go along with him out of spite, even if most of them probably agree.

[Laelth]

15. Interesting drivel on the blog.

This was a non-binding vote that many members of the Senate didn't read, passed on the 39th day of a 40 day session, with the Senate having full knowledge that the House wasn't going to consider their version of the bill.

This was just red meat for conservative voters. Why so many Democrats voted for it, however, I can not say.

:dem:

-Laelth

[D-Lee]

18. Everyone should read the linked blog -- related to the "sovereignty" / "secession" movement

This linked blog reports this same resolution has been introduced in every state legislature.

So, this is a part of a right wing movement -- the tea baggers, the secessionists, and the undoing of federal law -- with a common theme. We need to watch this development.


The blog concludes:

"The resolution they sponsored is part of a radical right-wing national movement —- a similar resolution was introduced in the Georgia House but not voted on. It has been introduced in legislatures all over the nation, and has passed in both chambers in Oklahoma and one in South Dakota.

"And while the Georgia resolution is legally meaningless and was passed without debate or even knowledge of most senators, it has had an impact. It has been hailed by, among others, those fighting the conspiracy to create a single North American country, by the Confederate States Militia, by the John Birch Society, and the League of the South, which still pines for the cause of an “independent South” and believes that “Southern society is radically different from the society impressed upon it by an alien occupier.”

"You have to question the judgment of those who would have any truck whatsoever with such nonsense, and who would jeopardize the reputation of the Georgia Senate to lend aid and comfort to such radical causes and fringe groups."

[pdxmom]

16. Maybe this explains CNN's far shift to the right. They're afraid Georgia

is going to censor them.

[ananda]

17. You know.. they had their power in the form of George W Bush..

.. and the Reep Congress..

.. and guess what.. they blew it.

They haven't got a clue how to run a
country, much less a state.

[dysfunctional press]

19. "we're now fighting with Texas, Oklahoma, and South Dakota over who is the more bat-shit crazier..."

and florida is probably just running up the odds before jumping in to the contest- once they get in, it's NO contest.

[onethatcares]

24. man, I live in Florida

I kinda like being a part of the U.S. of A.

But if all else fails, we do have a very large confederate flag at the intersection of I4 and I75. I bet those boys are chompin at the bit.

[JVS]

21. Fuck them.

[AwakeAtLast]

22. Did they also vote to give back all their federal money?

Didn't think so.

[NightWatcher]

23. that's what I want them to do. close the military bases, lose the money associated with that

there are quite a few cities that exist only because there are military bases in them.

Close the federal office buildings in the state and fire all of those people. How many peple in the state are employed by a federal agency or support for such agency......?

I am pissed that they are using the excuse of "didnt have time to read it"

[Mr. Hyde]

30. Who do you think would suffer more if Georgia secedes, Georgia Democrats or Georgia Republicans?

I'm quite sure Georgia Republicans would be more than happy to stop receiving any more federal tax dollars in exchange for not having to pay any more federal tax dollars and, again, who do you think that would fuck the hardest, Georgia Republicans or Georgia Democrats?

[AllieB]

31. not receiving federal money would impoverish GA

and it's pretty damn poor to begin with.

[Mr. Hyde]

36. It would simply make the poor poorer and the rich richer.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

32. They'd both suffer and most know that

Georgia already gets a return on their Federal taxes that exceeds what the state pays in. Which doesn't include the state sales/income tax they generate via the 12 active military installations in Georgia.

This is nothing but a silly performance in the three ring circus the Republican party has become.

[Mr. Hyde]

35. Wrong. Knowledge without understanding is dangerous.

The average Georgia Republican would love nothing more than to stop paying taxes and would be quite happy to stop receiving federal tax dollars in return for this. The fact is, most every Republican in America would be well beyond happy to make that trade. Yes, GA receives more money from the fed than they pay in but why do you suppose that is? Because of all those Georgia Republicans receiving federal assistance? Sure.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

37. They'd both suffer

Granted some don't understand this basic fact, but they would still both suffer.

When their grandparents/parents/themselves lose their SS or Medicare, they lose their income due to the loss of small business loans, military spending and dissolving of governmental agencies. When their crime rates increase and their hospitals are closing their doors. The list goes on and on.

I grant you that many don't understand, but it doesn't change the facts that they rely on the Federal Government to get them though the day.

[AllieB]

41. Federal assistance means small business loans and business stimulus.

It's not just the SS, medicare, and education funding that you're alluding to.

[leeroysphitz]

26. I hate to say this but maybe a good civil war is just what we need right now.

I mean making all the tanks and Humvees we'd need to roll over the red-necks with their toy m-16's and AK-47's could really put Detroit back to work and make made in America mean something again!


Yes I'm using sarcasm but I'm not telling you where.

[Doctor_J]

39. Fox "News", Hate Radio, and their minions are going to force it

and the US will be better for it once it's over. We can't continue allowing this treasonous, seditious, and murderous rhetoric to go uncontested and unresolved.

[vadawg]

48. jeez, dont you think more than a few of US troops, marines etc come from these states you want to

attack, i dont think it would be a cakewalk at all.

[cloudbase]

34. Well, now,

since the feds can't prosecute it, I'd suggest those 43 brass-balled senators not pay their income taxes and see what happens. Hey, if you want to get respect, you gotta lead by example.

[Doctor_J]

38. Can we PLEASE get moving on this stuff? Do you realize how much

better off the US would be without GA, AL, MS, TX, and AK? The least we can do is say nothing, and if they go ahead with it, flatten them like a pancake and take all of the Limbeciles as POWs. I jsut have tis feeling that the Hate Radio crowd is going to force the issue. I see it as win/win for the sane 75%

[Shell Beau]

61. Right! The US will be better off without all of those states!

:sarcasm:

That is a disgusting statement.

[kristopher]

42. Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S.

* DECEMBER 29, 2008

As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S.
In Moscow, Igor Panarin's Forecasts Are All the Rage; America 'Disintegrates' in 2010
By ANDREW OSBORN

MOSCOW -- For a decade, Russian academic Igor Panarin has been predicting the U.S. will fall apart in 2010. For most of that time, he admits, few took his argument -- that an economic and moral collapse will trigger a civil war and the eventual breakup of the U.S. -- very seriously. Now he's found an eager audience: Russian state media.


In recent weeks, he's been interviewed as much as twice a day about his predictions. "It's a record," says Prof. Panarin. "But I think the attention is going to grow even stronger."

Prof. Panarin, 50 years old, is not a fringe figure. A former KGB analyst, he is dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry's academy for future diplomats. He is invited to Kremlin receptions, lectures students, publishes books, and appears in the media as an expert on U.S.-Russia relations.

But it's his bleak forecast for the U.S. that is music to the ears of the Kremlin, which in recent years has blamed Washington for everything from instability in the Middle East to the global financial crisis. Mr. Panarin's views also fit neatly with the Kremlin's narrative that Russia is returning to its rightful place on the world stage after the weakness of the 1990s, when many feared that the country would go economically and politically bankrupt and break into separate territories...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html

[mainegreen]

44. Ok, the article says it was an addundum snuck in at the close of the session

buried on page six. Sketchy, but it's not like the Georgia senators likely knowingly voted 43-1 to disband the USA. Probably 39 had no idea it was there.

They need to read what they vote for better.

[csziggy]

45. Why didn't they whine about states rights when the SCOTUS interfered with Florida elections?

That has got to be one of the most egregious cases of federal interference in the affairs of a state in the history of the country. But since the decision came down in their favor, they just grinned and accepted it.

And I note that all these secession movements have only really gotten going since it has become obvious that SCOTUS will not hear any of their "Obama is not American" cases.

[alfredo]

46. All because we elected a black man president.

[benEzra]

47. DLC/Third Way/MSM types promising to outlaw the most popular guns in America aren't helping. (n/t)

[depakid]

49. Wait- I thiought proliferation wasn't a problem- no it is a problem

Amazing the bizarre lengths some will go to rationalize their obsessions.

As far Georgia is concered- this just boosts the chances that we'll see responsible legislation fown the line.

[benEzra]

54. The historic crime decrease from the early 1990's to last year

coincided with a tripling or quadrupling of the number of "assault weapons" in U.S. homes, at minimum. More "assault weapons" were sold 1994-2004 than in the previous 30 years combined, yet gun crime dropped to historic lows.

Why? Duh, (1) because rifles are the least misused guns in America, (2) because it's not the lawful ownership rate that's the problem, it's the criminal ownership rate, and (3) because rifle handgrip shape doesn't have a damn thing to do with gun violence.

If the lawful gun ownership rate were a significant driver of gun crime rates, New Hampshire would have one of the highest violence rankings in the nation, instead of the lowest.

[JackRiddler]

63. Are you saying this is a causal relationship?

If higher legal assault rifle ownership rates coincided with the decline in crime rates from 1994-2008, then this might support an argument that assault rifles don't cause higher crime rates. (See point 2 below, however.)

But I hope you aren't seriously suggesting that the fall in crime rates in the US is due to higher ownership rates of assault rifles. Are you?

1) How? Has the fear of legal assault rifle owners lowered crime rates? How do you explain that the greatest fall in crime was in cities where such weapons are banned? Can you cite statistics or even a significant number of instances when criminals deterred or captured, thanks to assault rifles?

2) Independently of whether a general crime or homicide rate went up or down, do you happen to know whether the rate of killings using legal assault rifles (especially one-day mall or school massacres) has gone up or down during this period? Because that would seem to be the relevant criterion. General crime might decline for reasons such as demographics or policy, even as a specific category of crime (such as shootings involving assault rifles) actually rises.

This question either way may not even rank in my personal top 300 political issues. I don't really care about guns. But expecting people to maintain standards of logic and fact in political argument is always important.

[benEzra]

66. No, I'm not suggesting causality, merely pointing out that the causality in the other direction

that was being suggested was a non sequitur.

BTW, so-called "assault weapons" (e.g., non-automatic civilian rifles with modern styling) are banned in very, very few cities in the United States. You can own an AR-15 in Boston, Baltimore, Seattle, Minneapolis, wherever. Outside of California, they are the most popular rifles in America, and more Americans own "assault weapons" as defined by H.R.1022 et seq than hunt.

2) Independently of whether a general crime or homicide rate went up or down, do you happen to know whether the rate of killings using legal assault rifles (especially one-day mall or school massacres) has gone up or down during this period? Because that would seem to be the relevant criterion. General crime might decline for reasons such as demographics or policy, even as a specific category of crime (such as shootings involving assault rifles) actually rises.

That stat seems pretty flat, although MSM hysteria over weapon choice has certainly escalated. Thing is, the media don't generally shout it from the rooftops when a firearm with more traditional styling is used, or else they use ordinary handgun or shotgun murders to stump for new rifle bans (e.g., the recent shootings in New York).

[alfredo]

53. The buck stops at Obama's office and he has nixed new gun regulations.

[benEzra]

55. Yes, thank goodness. Now if the MSM and Feinstein et al would STFU about new bans,

there would probably be a lot less furor about them.

[alfredo]

58. Even if there wasn't, Fox news would make it up.

[depakid]

62. It's going to happen- sooner or later

Because it's responsible public policy- and it's popular.

Cowards who are obsessed with assault weapons are in the minority- though they sure do holler loudly.

[Doctor_J]

65. Why would Fox "News" stop lying about Obama?

They're trying to provoke a shooting war. Let's just be ready when it sparks.

[NC_Nurse]

50. Maybe Newt will be our new President. Fabulous.

Sigh.

[GaYellowDawg]

51. As a Georgian... I say the legislature is crazy.

It's a reflection of how stupid people in this state are that we have such a wild-eyed, incompetent, feckless, dimwitted body of legislators. Remember when the massive panic over the economy happened last fall? One idiot running for state senate was on the radio talking about how we shouldn't focus on the negative, but on the positive, like family, church, and Little League baseball. Seriously. I was in the car shouting "oh great, where the hell is the apple pie?!?" And that idiot got elected.

Seriously. Look at the governor. Has anyone ever seen a more crooked hayseed than Sonny Perdue? It's no wonder the legislature is full of cretins. All you have to do in the rural parts of this state is have an (R) beside your name, talk about how Christian you are, and BAM! You're elected.

Have at it, y'all. Say all the nasty things you want to about the state. Georgia deserves it. With the exception of some of Atlanta and Athens, this state might as well be one of the rabid red Great Plains states.

[WI_DEM]

52. How stupid! If they couldn't succeed in the 1860's how do they expect to succeed today!?

[Waiting For Everyman]

56. Maybe a Civil War 2 will repair the economy, as WW2 did.

Not to mention getting the troops home.

[Soylent Brice]

60. all i have to say to this is

didn't Deliverance take place in Georgia? Wallahoochee, to be more specific...

just sayin'.

[Orsino]

64. Incompetents with power *always* seek more power. n/t

[littlebit]

67. If that happens

does that mean I will have to get a passport to deliver freight down there? Man these people are fucking nuts.