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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 06:13 PM
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Are They Defective?
There are some who say that raising the tax rate on those making more than 250,000 dollars a year is equivalent to "punishing success." It's an interesting meme, really, considering that very few people ever make it to that level of success without the aid of others who are not so fortunate, people who most likely work just as hard for a lot less reward. Unless one happens to be one of the lucky few artists, authors, musicians, or artisans who actually make more than those who assist them in their endeavors, the chances are that one's success is as dependent on the efforts of others as it is on one's own efforts.

What do people who are "successful" owe the system that makes it possible for them to succeed? What do the developers owe to those who level the ground, set the foundation, erect the walls, install the electrical wiring and plumbing, put up drywall, install cabinets, and, eventually, find someone to buy their houses and commercial buildings? What do corporate CEOs owe the people who build their widgets, maintain their equipment, package their product, and ship it across the country to waiting consumers? What do any of these people owe the consumers who actually BUY their products? No matter how you slice it, not everyone can stand on top of the heap, reach the pinnacle of the pyramid. They NEED those at the bottom and in the middle layers AT LEAST as much as we need them.

They scream about "subsidizing failure" at the same time they themselves take as much as they can from the system while paying as little back in return. Their alleged great "success" all too often relies on the smaller successes that surround them. The working mother who tries to balance time with her family with her job, the requirements of daycare with making enough money to survive. The blue collar worker who has to decide which of his or her bills to pay this time around so he or she can put gas in the car and food in the fridge. People who don't have to worry that a sudden serious illness will bankrupt them and cost everything they worked so hard to achieve really haven't a leg to stand on in criticizing those who suffer these worries on a daily basis. So what if they have to pay a little extra, have to forgo that third trip to the French Alps next winter? So what if they have to give up their dream of owning just one more show car?

Now I have to say I'm not sure 250,000 dollars might be a little low in the grand scheme of things, but, all things considered, the rest of us have been paying such a high percentage of our annual income in income and sales taxes that we've had to make the tough choices again and again, I'm not sure we have a lot of sympathy to spare.

Unadulterated greed has put us in these economic straits. It's time that some people learn that "success" is not a get-away-with-just-about-anything card. Success comes at a price, often paid by those who do not enjoy many of the same comforts as they do. Comforts like a reliable auto, reasonable child care costs, enough healthy food to feed the family, affordable medical care, and a decent place to live.

As much as the RW tries to malign the celebrities who speak out about such things, it's interesting to note that most of them have no qualms about giving back to their communities, no qualms about paying that little extra to help someone else make it that much farther.

But here's the real puzzler. How could anyone making LESS than $250,000 a year question that those who can afford it the most should give back to the system that made their "success" possible? How anyone who struggles as we do can possibly think it's unfair that those who have gained the most can afford to pay it forward? WE make it possible for them to live like royalty in a land that has no royalty, and WE have as much right to security as anyone. We work just as hard as any of them, if not harder. Success is well and good, but greed isn't. Selfishness isn't a natural right and it's about time those defectives who think it is learned a bitter lesson. Everything has its price. Even "success."
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 06:16 PM
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1. I agree
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 06:21 PM
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2. I agree too. But I've got the feeling Hank Rearden is gonna show up here any minute....
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 06:24 PM
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4. Hah... Even my weakest character could kick HIS ass...n/t
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Locrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 06:22 PM
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3. so right you are
"the chances are that one's success is as dependent on the efforts of others as it is on one's own efforts."

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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 06:25 PM
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5. love it or leave it.. bangladesh has sweat shops that are hiring, put your kids to work..
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 06:26 PM
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6. Exactly...
Or, as I once put it a long time ago, "write when you find work."
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 06:27 PM
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7. "Selfishness isn't a natural right"
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Stellabella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 06:29 PM
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8. Boy, are you right. I'm effing sick of the greed and selfishness of these
jerks.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 07:51 PM
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9. there is no logic at all...
and I think these people know it. They will use any rationale for cover. Doesn't matter if it's an out and out lie. The important thing is to avoid the truth.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 07:54 PM
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10. Mythsage you're back!
I haven't seen a post from you in a long time, I thought you had left for good. I am so glad to see you here again, you were always one of DU's best so I hope you keep posting. K&R
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 02:36 AM
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13. No, not necessarily gone for good. Just burned out.
I don't know how often I'll post here, but every once in a while I find myself with something to say so I'll probably drop by for a visit.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 08:25 PM
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11. It is stunning that many poor right-wingers worry about the tax rate of those who could care less
Not only do those making more not care about the grunts who are rooting for them, but many people who are in the upper income category are happy to pay more as they have more than enough to live on. I know I could care less how much I'm taxed above a certain income level - does it really matter so long as I can live comfortably, have all the toys I could ever need and save for my retirement. Greedy people should be shot in my opinion.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 08:13 AM
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14. the grunts are not really rooting for them
I remember when I was a senior in high school and I figured the tax of somebody making $1 million. It was about $690,000. That did not seem fair. You make a million, but only keep $310,000? At the time I was sanguine about my own ability to someday be a millionaire. Maybe it was because my dad was in the Optimist Club. My brother too had this idea that he would be a "self-made millionaire" by the time he was 40.

Perhaps they realize that as large as the deficit is, that taxes will need to be raised for people making less than $250,000 too. People making $70, or $80 or $90 thousand would rather see "welfare and foreign aid" elminated along with the rest of the supposed pork, before they would pay another $400 in taxes (even 8 years after a whole bunch of tax cuts have been passed).
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 08:28 PM
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12. The message from the GOP is that responsibility is punishment.
They only say they're the party of responsibility, but nothing they do supports that claim.

We need to respond with a message of our own about acting more maturely than the GOP does.

For example: contrast Obama's language during his speeches with anything out of the mouths of the GOPers.

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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 01:14 PM
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15. MYTHSAJE IS BACK ...
:bounce: :fistbump: :headbang: :yourock: :woohoo: :applause:
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