Miss New Mexico's mother chimes in: "In the Bible it says marriage is between Adam & Eve, not Steve"

[Bluebear]

This is really clever, I've never heard it before! And she came up with it on the spot! Kudos, Miss New Mexico's mother! :eyes:

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...Miss California’s comments at Sunday's pageant sparked outrage, with some audience members going head-to-head with supporters after the show...

...the mother of Miss New Mexico Charmaine Koonce supported the comments. "In the Bible it says marriage is between Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve," she said.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/2350378/Miss-USA-runner-up-sparks-gay-rights-row



I see that Ms, Koonce is a Technical Recruitier at Volt Technical Resources. I am wondering if she quizzes her employee recruits on their orientation?

[Fuzz]

1. Who was invited to that wedding?

[yardwork]

2. Does the Bible say that Adam and Eve are married? Who was their pastor?

Who was the Mother of the Bride?

[Bluebear]

3. Poor Steve, always on the outs. nt

[rcrush]

4. Steve was the best man.

He's also the reason Adam left Eve.

[Sisaruus]

15. Eve was the other woman

Lilith was Adam's wife before Eve came along.

[Ilsa]

43. Actually, it was Adam and Steve.

They just didn't know how to write a S and a T back then. :sarcasm:

[Rockholm]

55. Who gave them their license? Where were they registered?

Doubt there was a Bloomingdale's in Eden.

[derby378]

80. You know Lilith was having "girl talk" with Eve over a few drinks

"Oh, sure, he's the only available guy around here, but he insists on being on top. When I suggested we try a reverse cowgirl, he threw a snit fit and complained to the Man Upstairs that I ate from the forbidden tree. I was framed, I tell ya..."

[Lerkfish]

5. as others have pointed out, there was no marriage between adam and eve

technically.

so this moronic saying is ... well... moronic

[Stellabella]

14. Thank you! That's just right.

I'm so sick of these morons and their imbecilic sayings.

[LiberalFighter]

33. No mention of marriage by god. Just looking for a help meet. Whatever that is suppose to be.

KJV Genesis 2:18

And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him.

NIV Genesis 2:18

The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

Not exactly the wording to use for a wife.

Or how about what follows after the verse?

KJV Genesis 2:19-20

And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
(20) And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found a help meet for him.

NIV Genesis 2:19-20

Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.
(20) So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found.

God thought that one of the animals would be a help meet (helper) for Adam? That suggests that bestiality would be okay.

[Lerkfish]

51. "meet" in that context and translation means "suitable" or "suited"

so i believe the scriptures are saying the opposite; man and beasts are not suited as mates.

[bertman]

88. LiberalFighter, I'm pretty sure they changed the translation from the original

"HELP MEAT".


:eyes:

[jazzjunkysue]

6. As if anyone really gives a shit what a beauty queen thinks.

If you're gonna let them get to you, better stay home.

[Bluebear]

9. Well, mom is in the personnel industry. Sounds rather unenlightened.

I do hope she follows the applicable laws.

[yardwork]

52. Yeah. I mean, I can get married anywhere in the country, so why should I care what someone says?

It's not like gay marriage is illegal in my state or anything.

[jazzjunkysue]

64. If you're waiting for the beauty pageant contestants to bring about social change....

It's really too bad that some people on this board make alot of assumptions just to take everything the wrong way.

Personally, I couldn't be more pro-gay marriage. But I certainly don't think these bimbos are your best spokespeople.

And the men who drool over these barbie dolls are not, I repeat, not listening to anything they say.

[yardwork]

84. You have such a progressive attitude.

"Beauty pageant contestants" are beneath notice in your superior universe. "Bimbos" aren't worth listening to. "Barbie dolls" are there for men to "drool over" and anyone who thinks that anyone else should actually take a fellow human being's opinion seriously "just take everything the wrong way."

I'm not as superior as you, so I actually care what other human beings have to say. I even care enough to take them seriously when I disagree, instead of just treating them like spit on the pavement.

[bluedawg12]

58. I got my pony!

I don't care about yours. Sing along everyone! La La La- Laaaaa!

[Starry Messenger]

63. Republicans give a shit.

Hell, they recruit them.

[bluethruandthru]

7. And I'm sure that Mrs. Koonce thinks all of the laws of the land

should be based on the Bible... like the one about stoning your neighbor for working on the sabbath....doncha think? :crazy:

[msongs]

8. what does the bible say about floozies prancing around in flesh oops beauty contests? nt

[rateyes]

26. That's right. If we really want to get back to Adam and Eve, shouldn't

she have been prancing around naked? I vote for that!

[noiretextatique]

10. i don't read the bible eom

[malaise]

11. Everyone now wants her fifteen minutes of fame

Why should Miss California (who was not the winner) get all the media coverage.
I think the mothers of beauty queens are often more crazy than their manicured daughters.

[Lex]

12. I don't know . . . could've been a typo.

nt

[SalmonChantedEvening]

13. Oh There She Is

Mass Hysteriaaaaa

Blue! :D

[JonLP24]

16. I haven't read the bible in years

But didn't so called Adam & Eve had 2 sons and only 2 sons? How did they populate they world or did god find a rib or bush or whatever and created other females for these 2 sons.

[rateyes]

27. Maybe they were both

motherfuckers?? :shrug:

[Ghost in the Machine]

32. It says that Adam & Eve were the *first* people made, but it doesn't say they were the *only* ones

I'm an atheist, but I figured that out when I was 15...

:hi:

[Politicalboi]

47. Thank God they were

White like Jesus. :sarcasm:

[Ghost in the Machine]

75. Amazingly, they spoke English too!

:hi:

[bluedawg12]

69. Once you have a mating pair, why the need to "make" more?

Two rabbits usually do the trick.

[Ghost in the Machine]

76. Well.. if your goal was to inhabit/populate a new world/planet, two wouldn't do it quickly enough

You'd want to put your new species experiment in many places to see how they grew, changed and adapted to their environment.... a mixture of intelligent design *and* evolution, if you will.

[bluedawg12]

77. I would, but then, *sigh* no has yet asked me to design a planet.

Except in video games. :evilgrin:

The only intelligent design / evolution hybrid that could be is:

I start with the big bang and let the dice roll where they may after that.

But, I don't really look to the Bible to figure out speciation and biodiversity.

[LiberalFighter]

34. They had sex with the female animals that Adam didn't want as help meets.

[friedgreentomatoes]

68. I have wanted that question answered for a loooooong time with no luck. n/t

[Hugabear]

74. That's because the bible is nothing but myth. Don't look for logic in it.

n/t

[FLAprogressive]

17. I'm so sorry that that woman was named after toilet paper.

[bluedawg12]

20. She assumed that "role" in life too.

:rofl:

[frylock]

18. what does the old testament say about incest?

seems there was a lot of begettin it on.

[Coffee and Cake]

36. Is Genesis 19 in the OT or the NT

Where God wrecks havoc on Soddom and Gommorah and turns Lot's wife into a pillar salt, then later his daughters have to get him drunk in order to rape him so his seed can be preserved.

A real enlightened story.

[bluedawg12]

39. OT. So, it says, Adam and Eve and Daddy and Daughters?

Words to live by.

[kestrel91316]

44. I thought Lot was the one who told some strangers to rape his daughters.

You know, for the hell of it.....

[bluedawg12]

19. In the Bible it never said Adam married Eve and where did the grandkids come from?

Consanguineous relations is in the Bible. Oh noes. :evilgrin:

[Arugula Latte]

31. Yeah, nice how that whole episode is just kinda glossed over, eh?

Eve's grandkids were also her kids, I guess.

There is some freaky stuff in that nutty book of mythology.

[bluedawg12]

37. Magic, might and myth. It's all there, waiting for Charmaine to spew it

out thousands of years later on the telly. :eyes:

[Riceburningluva]

21. Who the heck does she think she is?

Who gave her the authority to decide who can do what with whome. I say she should lose her crown for that snide and nasty remark.

[dem629]

23. She was asked a question about it.

[MichaelHarris]

22. If you do the analysis

someone married someone's sister or cousin in that whole mix also.

[bluedawg12]

25. I'm going with Mitochondrial Eve, otherwise, it's first degree

incest.

[MichaelHarris]

65. I've always leaned

towards space semen.

[rateyes]

24. "Adam" is Hebrew for

"humankind." And, "Elohim" (the word translated "God" in Genesis) is PLURAL...and, is often translated "angels," or "heavenly beings."

[bluedawg12]

29. Oh, no. Charmaine "knows" it was Adam and Eve - literally!

None of that pesky historical secularist translation stuff. :evilgrin:

[kestrel91316]

45. .....which is probably where those crazy folks on Coast-To-Coast get

their ideas about humans being manufactured by aliens......

Makes as much sense as anything to me........

[CreekDog]

28. I don't recall "Steve" in the book of Genesis

perhaps it was in Nephi. :D

[JuniperLea]

30. God created homosexuality to test us all...

These pretend Christians fail.

[NC_Nurse]

35. Apparently God wants you to market your daughter in sexist "pageants" too.

What a great guy. :puke:

[Gemini Cat]

38. What a nasty stupid woman.

How fucking original as well.

[RedCappedBandit]

40. The bible is full of absolutely absurd bullshit

and it should be irrelevant in legislation.

[doctor jazz]

50. Just in case you don't know about this delicious website

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com

:D

[RedCappedBandit]

54. hehe, thanks. nt

[krispos42]

67. He he he...

Bill Cosby is right.


1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good

1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.




When god created man, he didn't say "it was good"! :rofl:

[kestrel91316]

41. Since when is the bible the law of the land?

We shouldn't pay it any more mind than Grimm's Fairy Tales. If somebody wants the bible to be their guide to personal behavior, that's all good and well. As for me, I'll take the Constitution.

[anonymous171]

42. I can't remember whether Adam and Eve were even married. nt

[Politicalboi]

46. Eve was Adam's

Beard.

[doctor jazz]

48. I wonder if Charmaine ever wondered where Mrs. Cain came from

:shrug: :eyes:

[rucky]

49. Maybe we should sign her up for the Adam & Steve catalog?

[Retrograde]

53. it also says it's between (or among, for you sticklers)

Jacob and Leah and Rebecca (with affairs with their maidservants on the side). Come to think of it, doesn't the Bible also condone cheating one's siblings out of their inheritance? Or discarding the mother of your first children when a better deal comes along - yeah, I'm looking at you, Abraham. And how many wives did Solomon have again?

I don't think Adam and Eve were married, but then again I was raised Catholic and we didn't do much Old Testament.

[chrisa]

56. Except Adam and Eve were never married.

lol

[Canuckistanian]

57. What a clever and charming statement!

She must be so impressed with the government of Iran.

[adamuu]

59. how witty and original!

yuck yuck yuck!

[adamuu]

60. does she fail to notice that Eve was the only other human being in the story?

I mean, it's not like Adam had a selection

[undeterred]

61. I think Steve only became a "biblical" name in the New Testament era.

[LynnTheDem]

62. Dear Miss NM's mother: When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle,

I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1-9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21-7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted fan,

Not a Moran

[krispos42]

66. And it also says in the Bible that women should shut up and be submissive.

So I guess Miss Koonce is expecting to join married gays in a fiery pit in hell. With Coultergeist as company, presumebly.

[CreekDog]

70. The book of Steve is one of the Gnostic Gospels

:think:

[madmom]

71. But where does Lilith fit in here?

[Hannah Bell]

73. she's not in the OT. except as an owl. that story comes from other texts.

The Book of Isaiah 34:14, describing the desolation of Edom, is the only occurrence of Lilith in the Hebrew Bible:

KJV: "The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest."


Talmud:

"Yet the most innovative perception of Lilith offered by the Talmud appears earlier in 'Erubin, and is more than likely inadvertently responsible for the fate of the Lilith myth for centuries to come:

"R. Jeremiah b. Eleazar further stated: In all those years <130 years after his expulsion from the Garden of Eden> during which Adam was under the ban he begot ghosts and male demons and female demons , for it is said in Scripture, And Adam lived a hundred and thirty years and begot a son in own likeness, after his own image, from which it follows that until that time he did not beget after his own image… When he saw that through him death was ordained as punishment he spent a hundred and thirty years in fasting, severed connection with his wife for a hundred and thirty years, and wore clothes of fig on his body for a hundred and thirty years. – That statement was made in reference to the semen which he emitted accidentally.” (‘Erubin 18b)

Comparing 'Erubin 18b and Shabbath 151b with the later passage from the Zohar: “She wanders about at night, vexing the sons of men and causing them to defile themselves (19b),” it appears clear that this Talmudic passage indicates such an adverse union between Adam and Lilith."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith#Lilith_in_the_Bible

[stevedeshazer]

72. You really pushed one of my buttons with this post.

After all, I am a Steve.

My fourteen year-old daughter dropped that line on me one night many years ago. (Her mother, my-ex, was involved in the Baptist church). It was clear she had learned it from her "youth group" (indoctrination sessions).

This led to a very long discussion, probably a couple of hours, about gays, God, and discrimination in general. On the side of the road in my car.

I explained to her that many people she knew and trusted were gay. She had no idea.

I told her that my best friend, several of my employees, and my boss were all either gay or lesbian.

That is why I always get angry with bigotry. These catchy phrases, like "Adam and Steve" are designed to be hateful and inflammatory.

I'm happy to report that my daughter is now 29 and completely deprogrammed. I'm also confident that the next generation will not care nor little note one anothers sexual orientation, and instead shall judge their peers on the content of their character, to paraphrase Dr. King.

</rant>

[bluedawg12]

78. You done well!

:hi:

[spanone]

79. of all people, little richard said this years ago.....

[WI_DEM]

81. My guess is that many beauty pagent (not all) contestants are conservative.

[MrMickeysMom]

82. I'll go you one further... I'm guess many beauty pagent contestants...

... were defined on their body parts, hair and makeup, leaving them with little critical thinking skills.

Yeah, I know this should stop the presses! :-)

[salguine]

83. The Bible also says that if your neighbor washes his car or mows his lawn on Sunday,

you're supposed to kill him.

One of my favorite bumper stickers I ever saw read, "Stop Using Jesus As An Excuse To be A Narrow Minded Bigoted Asshole."

[mitchum]

85. So what...in my book of fairy tales it said bears can talk, live in a house, and eat porridge

[KamaAina]

86. Chapter and verse, please?

(crickets chirping)

(tumbleweeds blowing down Main Street past swinging saloon doors)

That's what I thought. Moran.

[southernyankeebelle]

87. WELL I WONDER WHO PERFORMED THE WEDDING BETWEEN ADAM AND EVE?

[Vinca]

90. Good question. I thought they were shacking up. nt

[ASUliberal]

89. FUCK THE BIBLE

I shit on it.

Brought to you by someone who is tired of people making references to the word of a being that can neither be contacted nor questioned. It's like the Bush administration in hyper-drive.

[bertman]

91. Pretty, daffy, plastic, dumbasses spouting nonsense. Where's MIss Teen USA 2007

when we need her? Question: Recent polls have shown that a fifth of Americans can't locate the U.S. on a map. Why do you think this is?

"I personally believe
that U.S. Americans
are unable to do so
becauseuh
some people in our nationuh don't have maps.
And I believe that our education like such as
in South Africa and the EyeRack
everywhere such as
and I believe that they shoulduh
our education
over here should help the U.S.
should help South Africa and should help the EyeRack and Asian countries
so we can build up our future for us."

The scary thing is that she will be reproducing someday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

[W_HAMILTON]

92. I heard that Adam and Eve thing worked out real well for everyone.

Maybe Adam and Steve wouldn't have fucked the eternal world over by eating an apple, hmmmmm?