I support torture.

[arcadian]

I support torture and so do you and every single American citizen if there isn't accountability and criminal penalties for the Bush administration's illegal and immoral policies. Demand justice! This is a Constitutional imperative.

[ProSense]

1. No, I don't. n/t

[lunatica]

2. Are we still supporters even though we demand justice but don't get it?

Then I'm not a supporter of torture. Period.

[cali]

3. facile bullshit of the silliest kind.

your lack of critical thinking skills is breathtaking.

[arcadian]

13. Please explain cali.

We are hanging on your every word.

[cali]

28. it's self explanatory. do you always use the royal "we"?

kind of cute archy.

[Kaleko]

4. Illogical argument.

The fact that atrocities are committed the world over doesn't make everyone complicit when the perpetrators aren't brought to justice.

[Hannah Bell]

7. it does when it's your supposedly representative gov't. doing it.

[cali]

11. no, really it doesn't.

I don't control and can't control my reps. I can only let them know my positions on issues and lobby them to vote or act in a certain way. A representative gov't dosn't give control over the votes and actions of the reps in power. We can vote them out, but that's another story.

[arcadian]

8. These atrocities were done in your name.

The reason being given is "to keep you and the rest of America safe"

[cali]

15. if someone commits a crime in my name that makes me guilty of the crime?

woof. you're growing ever more illogical.

[Kaleko]

19. Anyone can claim they're doing things in our name, or God's name or whatever.

Being powerless to stop government agencies from committing crimes doesn't make anyone of us supporters of what is done in our names.

You are advocating a logical fallacy that doesn't hold water, either legally or morally.

[Occam Bandage]

24. I am replying to this post in your name: in the name of arcadian, this post sucks.

Why did you just denounce your own post? How strange a thing for you to do!

[No DUplicitous DUpe]

5. My friend wrote a column today called "Accountability For Torture"

I believe he is thinking along the same lines as you

Here is the link:

Accountability For Torture
http://sane-ramblings.blogspot.com/2009/04/accountability-for-torture.html

[Occam Bandage]

6. Hurty churr, deturrny burr. Wrrf und a torrr turrr mee cow ta bull a turr!

[grantcart]

9. OK how do I get the Ice Tea out of the key board lol

[Hannah Bell]

10. th mndrs hv rrvd.

[cali]

18. mr lk te crtcl thkrs hv rrved.

[Hannah Bell]

22. f y cn rd ths yr stndng t cls bck ff.

[Spazito]

16. ROFL!

Perfect response to the OP!'


:rofl:

[Earth_First]

12. Your logic astounds me...

Personally by that logic, I blame YOU for the last eight years.

[ThirdWorldJohn]

14. I think what the original poster means is that

if there isn't accountability and criminal penalties for the Bush administration's illegal and immoral policies, then find ourselves supporting torture, since we are a government of - by and for the people of this country.

[cali]

21. that still makes zero sense.

our gov't reps are elected but once that happens, we can't control what they do or how they vote, we can try and influence them or try to vote them out. that's what a reprsentative gov't by and for the people entails.

[Hannah Bell]

27. yes, "vote them out" after 2 terms, & "move on" once it becomes crystal

clear to everyone they lied through their teeth & pepetuated war crimes the entire 8 years -

in addition to wrecking the economy & the public wealth.


vote for one of the two programmed choices, let them do whatever they want while in office without criticism, don't prosecute when they leave & their crimes are discovered.


so - this is different from soviet russia how?

they got to vote, too.

[Occam Bandage]

31. How do you plan on prosecuting Bush?

I don't mean, "how does Obama," I mean how do you? By criticizing? By casting your vote for pro-prosecution politicians? How is that any different from what Cali is saying? Or are you planning on leading an armed uprising?

[county worker]

17. no I don't, I am not responsible for other people's sins. Maybe you want to feel like that but

don't dump your sickness on me.

[arcadian]

20. Those sins were done in your name with your consent.

And you did nothing to stop them.

[cali]

23. what bullshit. so the fuck what if they were done in my name?

I have no control over that kind of abuse other than doing what I did. And just how were we supposed to stop them, genius. I did what I could.

[arcadian]

26. "I did what I could."

BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahah... Huhhuh... :spray: BWAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaha... good one cali. Sure ya did. :hug:

[cali]

30. yep. I wrote letters, I marched. I worked on campaigns I signed petitions

I voted. I realize that these activities are too strenuous for you. You're right you are guilty of torture.
:rofl:

[arcadian]

37. sure ya did

and ya got arrested too right? Where exactly was that? Date and location.

[cali]

42. so now you have to get arrested to have opposed torture?

bwahahaha. you really love making a fool of yourself or you're a little masochist and get off on being laughed at.

[arcadian]

48. You claimed that you were arrested in a thread from a while ago.

Were you lying? ALL INDICATORS POINT TO YES.

[cali]

53. I was arrested at an anti-nuke protest at Seabrook over 30

years ago. My one and only time being arrested for protesting. And as that has nothing to do with torture or the war, why do you care? And I'm glad as hell I've never been arrested again.

[Fire1]

25. The Crusades was in a distant time and century.

[county worker]

50. like I said, don't dump your sickness on me.

Put on some sack cloth and ashes if it makes you feel good.

[L0oniX]

29. I support marriage ...which is the same thing.

:evilgrin:

[cali]

32. there was heavy competition today for most idiotic post of the day

but, by george, I think archy gets the prize.

:rofl:

[Occam Bandage]

33. No, I'm giving it to "Cigarette taxes are like the Holocaust."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5505887&mesg_id=5505887

[cali]

34. lol. yeah it was definitely

trivialize Niemoller day here at DU.

[Occam Bandage]

38. First they came for the Niemoller co-optations,

and I did not speak up because I do not co-opt Niemoller.

Then they came for the cries of "fascism,"
and I did not speak up because I do not call policies I do not like fascist.

Then they came for the Hitler comparisons,
and I did not speak up because I do not compare politicians to Hitler.

Then they came for me,
and there were no rhetorical devices left to call my enemies Nazis.

[cali]

57. oh, I'm so funny, but how come your persona gets the good lines?

oops, talking to myself again. Rahm, you gotta stop doing that.

:rofl:

[arcadian]

36. You and cali posting to one another is so incestuous.

[cali]

40. misuse of the word incestuous, archykins.

sticking with stupid, I see.

[arcadian]

45. cali? Is your family tree shaped like a fan?

Or a donut? My guess is the latter.

[Occam Bandage]

41. What a strange mind you have. nt

[arcadian]

43. Do you guys coordinate your attacks?

They seem cordianted. You know such things are against the DU rules.

[Occam Bandage]

44. Yep. We're actually both sockpuppets of Rahm Emanuel.

Rahm types my lines with his left hand, and Cali's lines with his right. And while he engages in this feat of astounding ambidexterity, he giggles like an eight-year-old girl reading a book on ponies.

Rahm's main login? EarlG. Don't tell anyone.

[cali]

46. damn. did you have to give it away?

hopefully he'll think you were joking.

[arcadian]

47. Your posts are mundane. You think you're being clever but you're really just pathetic.

Do you ever get tired of it? The rest of us are.

[cali]

49. Arcadian: the spokesman for all of DU

do you ever tire of being a pompous, pretentious and pedestrian?

[Political Heretic]

52. Sad thing is, Cali's right an you are wrong.

Your OP is so stupidly illogical that you actually managed to put me and cali on the same side for once.... and you know how much I hate that.

:)

[cali]

54. yikes. that is a bitter pill to swallow for me too.

:hi:

[arcadian]

56. Again, people hate mirrors.

[LanternWaste]

35. There does seem to be quite a bit of...

There does seem to be quite a bit of dogmatic and rigid thinking going on around here lately. I'm not complaining, mind you-- I got used to it during the bush era-- habitualized to it like nicotine, and at least this stuff is benign and ineffectual... :P

[readmoreoften]

39. I agree. But this OP has more ignoreds than it does visible replies.

Friends? Sock puppets?

Really, I'm not sure your premise can be argued with. It's pretty cut and dry. You support torture or you don't. It's a crime or it isn't.

[Political Heretic]

51. Um, k.

:party:

[RedCloud]

55. Some of the above posts are torturing me.

Internecine warfare. Yuck.