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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 05:55 PM
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Did the court in Spain decide NOT to pursue crimes against Bush administration?
A right winger just told me that. I Googled and found this: Spanish court unlikely to open case against Bush government from April 16.

Sorry if I missed it. Damn. Hope this isn't true.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 05:59 PM
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1. I heard they had Hillary working on convincing them not to move forward ...
Edited on Tue Apr-21-09 06:00 PM by LSparkle
unfortunately. All the more reason I hope WE TAKE
ACTION in this country, which is where charges should
be brought anyway.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 06:00 PM
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2. No, that's wrong. The AG there (a political appointee)
said he wouldn't move forward but it's not his call. The actual prosecutor in that court said it wouldn't be a difficult case to make. And the judge is inclined to go forward. That's exactly what happened with Pinochet.

The only thing that will make that judge stand down is a prosecution here, afaik.

But, AP put up a misleading headline last week. That's where this idea comes from. :hi:
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 06:02 PM
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3. You got a link for that? I heard that the Spanish AG has the final say
on whether to prosecute or not. Of course I also heard the Hillary meme, that she went to Spain to try to put a stop to it. Hard to dig up the truth on this one.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 06:03 PM
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4. No, it's not his call, it's the judge's call. Edit 2:
Edited on Tue Apr-21-09 06:10 PM by EFerrari
I'll have to go look -- be back soon.


From Amy 4/20:
Spanish Judge Garzon Keeps Alive Case Against “Bush Six”

Prosecution of Bush administration officials may still take place in Spain. On Friday, Spanish Judge Baltasar Garzón defied Spanish prosecutors and kept alive a criminal investigation into the actions of six high-ranking Bush administration officials, including former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and former Justice Department attorney Jay Bybee.

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I also think that Scott Horton talked about this here but don't get mad at me if I'm wrong, lol! This was 4/17:
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/4/17/memos

eta; here's the salient bit:

SCOTT HORTON: Well, the Associated Press is giving you extremely faulty legal analysis, because a decision as to whether the case will go forward rests entirely with the investigating judge. The Spanish system is not like the American system, where prosecutors decide who and when to bring cases and who to prosecute. In the Spanish system, the prosecution is managed by an investigating judge. In this case, it’s Baltasar Garzon. And you may recall, he handled the case involving Augusto Pinochet, and he did that against the stern opposition of Spanish prosecutors, I think which shows you the weight that that recommendation may hold with him in his court.

But there’s a different consideration to weigh in here, as well, and that is that this is a statement that was announced by the prosecutors at the Audencia Nacional in Madrid, and we know, in fact, that those prosecutors who have made this recommendation not to go forward in fact concluded that the case should be prosecuted. They prepared a thirty-seven-page memorandum—and I’ve discussed, I’ve talked with several people in Madrid who have read it—that laid out the case, showed how it could fairly easily be brought, how it involved a joint criminal enterprise, how it could be sustained on the basis of documents, including some of those that were released yesterday. And that decision by the career prosecutors was overridden in a political act by Spain’s attorney general, who’s a political figure. He was a member of the cabinet of Prime Minister Jose Zapatero.

Moreover, the attorney general’s decision, which was announced yesterday morning in Madrid, came after several days of high-level discussions between Washington and the Zapatero government, during the course of which, I’ve been told, the Obama administration suggested very strongly that the pendency of this case was inconvenient and that it would be viewed as a great favor by Washington if Zapatero’s government could do what was within its power to shut this down. And I think what we see here is an accommodating nod from Jose Zapatero.

So it has really nothing to do with justice, and it has nothing to do with the merits of the case. It’s a political act. And it’s certain to be understood by the judges of the Audencia Nacional as a political act, which means I don’t think it really forms much of a barrier to the prosecution going forward.
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 06:03 PM
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5. I agree with everything you said except that a domestic trial would hurt the spanish case

If I remember right one of the objections was that such a trial should only take place after a trial in the USA.


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 06:08 PM
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9. Yes, that sounds right to me. n/t
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 06:04 PM
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6. So glad you saw this
I pasted your reply to my little ignorant right wing cyber friend.

Check your email. I got a situation going on here in red state hell and I need your opinion. :hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 06:07 PM
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8. Okay!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 06:04 PM
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7. From what I read, it appears they are backing off to see what we do.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 06:08 PM
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10. I got something a little different: they back off IF we do something.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 06:57 PM
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11. Same thing.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 07:09 PM
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12. Hope so. Imho, this is just more political cover for Obama.
So, it's all good.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 08:13 PM
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13. It also means it is not Obama's call, it is Holder's. Pressure holder to appoint
a prosecutor to look into this.
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