Bottom line. It is about us.

[kentuck]

What kind of people do we want to be? Do we want to be a nation forever at war with an invisible enemy? Do we want to be a people that have no regards for human rights? Do we want to become as depraved as our enemies and our leaders? It is up to us. We can choose what type of nation we wish to be.

We can sweep the crimes and the torture under the rug and pretend to move forward. But we will never be able to move forward unless we can understand where we have come from. We can be a nation of laws and justice or we can be a nation of torture and criminals. The choice is ours.

[Psychic Consortium]

1. You are correct. This is not about Obama.

It is about us.
It is our choice to make, not Obama's.

[cali]

2. I actually think it's more complex than that

though I think that investigation and proecution is of the utmost importance.

Let me ask you a question: Do consider France a nation of torture and criminals?

[kentuck]

3. All nations have probably tortured and committed crimes at one time or another..

I don't know if France is committing crimes and torturing at this time. But, that is not relevant to our own nation.

[Echo In Light]

4. And it's likewise us in the world's eyes - not other govts, but the people

Assholes out protesting over a black man in the Whitehouse, yet empty streets over some of the most blatantly obvious atrocities imaginable: election thefts, false flag, lying to justify illegal aggression/occupation, war profiteering, scores of scandals and cover ups for eight yrs.

[county worker]

5. We must have trials that Americans feel are fair and just. We must make the record visible to all s...

that in the future we can't say we didn't know.

After the Allies liberated the concentration camps in Germany, the local citizens were taken to the camps to see the horrors so that they could never say they didn't know what was being done. I feel we need to do the same thing in this case.


Only fair trials that are televised can do this.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. It's abou the tortured. The victims who suffered at the hands of our government.

And, you're right. Our "leaders" tell us that we are a democracy. That "we the people" are the government. If we look the other way, makes excuses, rationalize criminal behavior, in the name of "the greater good" of the country, the party, or our "image" then we are as culpable as the politicians, the military, the intelligence agencies, or even the monsters who bloodied their hands directly.

The government, run by any party, must be held accountable whether it perpetrates the crimes or attempts to cover them up.

[DCKit]

7. We already had the tools to keep this country safe prior to 9/11 - Another victim of deregulation.

We never had to go to war against anyone. All we had to do was to keep them out and protect our interests overseas. A far less expensive proposition than two wars and the no-bid contracts funding BushCo's retirement plan.

Dick waving contests among the intelligence agencies, willful ignorance in the WH, greed, lust for power and apathy in the (R) Congress and a general breakdown among the alphabet agencies as more and more appointees were brought in from the very industries they were supposed to regulate.

9/11 may not have been LIHOP or MIHOP, but it was inevitable, given our path and the incompetence we allowed to grow like a cancer within our government.

[Mari333]

8. we have to choose to be an imperial empire or not

unfortunately, a lot of people have no clue as to what we have done and are doing in the world. Maybe when the country goes bankrupt from our war games people will wake up. I am not going to count on the MSM to enlighten anyone.

[HughBeaumont]

9. Sweeping crimes under the rug gave us Reagan. And then Bewsh I. And ultimately, Bewsh II.

And Laissez-fail economics. And the MIC. And war without end.

Forget your history and be forever doomed to repeat it. And face the consequences.

War corporatism and the crimes that result from it need to be eradicated. We cannot afford empire and we're nothing but the rogues we claim we're against if the crimes of Vietraq, Afghanistan and 9/11 go uninvestigated and unpunished.