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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 11:46 AM
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tuna fish gone in 2 years. - think on it - in 2 yrs. there will be no more Tuna


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1170113/Tuna-wiped-2012-overfishing-stopped-say-environmental-groups.html


Tuna will be wiped out by 2012 if overfishing is not stopped, say environmental groups


-snip-

If current quotas are maintained, the breeding population of Atlantic bluefin tuna will have disappeared in three years, it is claimed.
The population can only be saved by a complete halt to fishing in May and June, when the fish swim to the Mediterranean to spawn, the WWF says.

-snip-

'Bluefin tuna is collapsing as we speak and yet the fishery will kick off for business as usual,' said Sergi Tudela, of WWF.

'It is absurd and inexcusable to open a fishing season when stocks of the target species are collapsing.'
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they will not stop fishing tuna - count on it.

oh well, tuna is full of murcury and toxins anyway. I stopped eating it yrs. ago.

sigh

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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 11:48 AM
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1. I stopped eating tuna...
when they were mixing it with dolphin meat (and rat feces).

This upsets me. How many species are we going to kill off before anyone does anything about it?
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 11:54 AM
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3. No number of extinctions is going to stop us.
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:35 PM
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17. Only our own extinction...
...will put an end to it and at the rate we are going this becomes more likely.
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:38 PM
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19. Mix the mayonnaise with the tuna. No. Feed the mayo to the tuna. (nfm)
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 11:53 AM
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2. Almost all standard edible fish species will be gone in 30 years.
Edited on Wed Apr-22-09 11:53 AM by cobalt1999
Think of it, a denuded ocean scrapped clean.

Too many people on this planet.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 11:54 AM
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4. Sorry Charlie........
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:08 PM
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5. Dang, we have to quit eating tuna, or we'll have to quit eating tuna.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:14 PM
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6. We'll save some DNA and regenerate the species later.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:19 PM
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7. Bad news for their predators, too.
Funny how people seem to think we're the only species out there.

We can all adjust our diets though, and do the world a favor.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:21 PM
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8. I'm running out to stock up on tuna right now!
Edited on Wed Apr-22-09 12:23 PM by BurtWorm
Think how much it will be worth in two years!

:woohoo:
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:22 PM
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9. A bit misleading. The article is about 1 variety of tuna, bluefin
Most of us who eat tuna from the can don't eat bluefin tuna, which is generally sold for very high prices in Asia.

We are more familiar with cheaper species like skipjack and albacore. They are severely overfished, but they are not going to disappear by 2012.

Also, if you look at the economic behavior of fishing fleets, they rarely fish out the last fish. At some point, the stock of bluefin will be so low, that no fishing boat will be able to make money fishing for it. It will become commercially extinct long before it becomes (if ever) biologically extinct. That's pretty much the situation with cod. Once one of the most plentiful fish for human consumption, it is almost impossible to buy in a fish market. But the fish is not near extinct. It just can't be caught in a commercially viable volume.

I agree with the overall policy analysis and prescription implied by the article -- we're about to cause these fisheries to collapse, maybe irretrievably -- but I think this kind of headline confuses what the bigger issue is, which is we are destroying the entire marine eco system in a way that it may not be able to recover from.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:25 PM
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12. bluefin is a fatty tuna
Not the regular canned stuff, you're correct.

National Geographic did an interesting article, maybe 2 years ago, on the over fishing.

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sammythecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:35 PM
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16. Very informative points there. n/t
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:23 PM
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10. tuna farms
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wuvuj Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:08 PM
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21. Takes about 6-8lbs of small fish from the ocean...
...to raise one lb of farmed tuna. Sealife that depends on this same food will be starving.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:30 PM
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26. Fish farming is ecologically nightmarish. nt
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:13 PM
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32. So, apparently, is harvesting wild fish
But we could improve our fish farming methods.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:25 PM
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11. As a species, we suck.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:29 PM
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13. We do indeed!
x(
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 05:52 PM
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35. And not in a nice way either.
:)

Seriously, we do suck, big time.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:34 PM
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14. The Monterey Bay Aquarium has an excellent guide on
the types of fish that are considered safe as well as those that should be avoided.

http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/cr/cr_seafoodwatch/content/media/MBA_SeafoodWatch_NationalGuide.pdf

A bit hyperbolic to imply that all tuna will be gone or even threatened within the next 3 years.

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hugo_from_TN Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:34 PM
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15. I will bet you $100 that in 3 years I will be able buy fresh tuna.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:37 PM
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18. This article is just on bluefin
Maybe people won't find that particular kind available, but there will still be tuna (including the regular canned albacore and my fav yellowfin).
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wuvuj Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:09 PM
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22. You and the Japanese will be paying that much for a lb or so?
...
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:10 PM
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24. There will still be tuna but maybe not bluefin tuna n/t
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 05:46 AM
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45. Yellow fin is very economical right now
I can buy it by the case for less than $3.00/lb.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:45 PM
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20. Why do people keep eating it?
This is crazy. I like to fish. I would never go fishing for an animal I knew was in trouble.

Eat something else, for crissakes. Eat some more in five years after they have recovered.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:10 PM
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23. Because bluefin is very fatty and has a good flavor
There's a lot of demand for in Japan.

I agree, I wish they would stop fishing for it, I don't get bluefin.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:14 PM
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25. Damn. Why the overfishing? Is this
another problem with overpopulation? Why can't the planet get serious about this?
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:33 PM
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28. It's not overpopulation, it's eating patterns.
There can be voluminous amounts of food for all if we choose the right kinds of things to eat, but people prefer to eat the most damaging sorts of food in preference to sustainable agriculture.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:11 PM
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31. No, it's subsidies
I think there is nothing wrong with eating tuna. it's delicious - and should be priced according to supply, so that there is an incentive for the fishing intdustry to manage stocks properly. Instead, the EU has this dreadful subsidy system which has long encouraged overfishing (I'm european, btw), and European fisherman, who make up about 1% of the economy, wield way too much political power and start a big collective whine any time they're asked to deal with change - even though it's actually an extremely profitable and high-tech industry, and overall they have done very, very well for the last few decades. Propose new regulations or quotas though, and they march on national capitals acting as if they still laid out nets by hand and owned nothing more than the clothes they stood up in and some battered wooden dinghies. Fuck them.

What will happen, I predict, is that the tune population will in fact collapse, a total ban on tuna fishing will be initiated and enforced fairly strongly, fishermen will move onto other fish (amid much public grumbling), and stocks will recover to a surprising degree within 10 years, after which people will accept a sustainable managed solution. And in this case, my instinct is to let the fishermen go to the wall, and when they start complaining about the impossibility of catching as many fish as they want, say 'told you so'.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 03:06 PM
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33. Very well said
A combination of bad policy, greed, stupidity. Many fish populations have crashed, the fishing sector gone away and the fish stocks recovered -- like striped bass on the east coast of the US.

Hopefully the collapse will not be part of a larger marine eco system collapse or alteration that will be too big for tuna to recover from.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 05:55 PM
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37. I think it's a fine example of where protectionism leads
The fishermen in various EU countries have played on people's emotional reactions for a long time now. The best one I ever saw was a march of Scottish fisherman's wives on the UK Parliament - while their husbands were out at sea trying to make ends meet, the poor things. Of course the new regulations they were protesting had been in the pipeline for several years, and the husbands being out at sea meant there were no multi-million pound trawlers sitting in port for cameras to get footage of.
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:32 PM
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27. I'm gonna buy the last can.
And then wait and sell it when I retire when everyone thinks its gone! I'll be rich!
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:37 PM
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29. Kind of like these?
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wuvuj Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:39 PM
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30. The only safe fish to eat now....
...are sardines....chunk light tuna...canned salmon....all of which are going UP in price.

Most other fish have high levels of mercury.
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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 03:38 PM
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34. good grief did you read the moronic comments after the article?
I thought the population HERE was bad, but the sheer numbers of idiots posting to that news site are incredible.
as the wicked witch of the west said; "what a world, what a world, what a world"
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 05:54 PM
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36. I think "The Daily Mail" is a notoriously scuzzy paper. n/t
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 06:01 PM
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39. They may be a scuzzy paper, but the info about
the bluefin tuna is true. I am a copy editor for 30 U.S. outdoors magazines, but we have done many articles about the overfishing of tuna.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 06:21 PM
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41. yes, I understand that they can still print articles that are correct. I was referring to the other
poster's observation about the comment section.
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MrPerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 05:56 PM
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38. I can't stand tuna.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 06:12 PM
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40. Delete...
Edited on Wed Apr-22-09 06:14 PM by LanternWaste
delete
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 07:13 PM
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42. as long as they hold out til Dec 22, 2012
things will be just fine. sheesh, if you've eaten one tuna, you've eaten them all. :hide:





psst, i'm kiddin.:hi:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 07:14 PM
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43. Dominoes...
One falls, then the next, and the next, and so on, and so on, and so on...

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kaygore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 01:57 AM
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44. Go vegan! It better your health anyway!
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