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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:55 PM
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Kellermann, 41, was found dead in his suburban Virginia home after an apparent suicide Freddie Mac
Edited on Wed Apr-22-09 12:57 PM by seemslikeadream
http://www.reuters.com/article/newIssuesNews/idUSN22199120090422

NEW YORK, April 22 (Reuters) - Freddie Mac, the U.S. government-controlled home funding provider, said it delayed a sale of new notes due to the death of its acting chief financial officer on Wednesday.

The company was to sell new five-year notes on Wednesday but said it would postpone the offering for at least one day in light of the death this morning of David Kellermann.

Kellermann, 41, was found dead in his suburban Virginia home after an apparent suicide. He was a 16-year veteran of Freddie Mac. To read more see



http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090422-711485.html
Freddie Mac Acting CFO Kellermann Found Dead
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:58 PM
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1. seppuku?
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:59 PM
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2. I believe without doubt that Oswald shot Kennedy, that aliens did not crash at Roswell or Aurora,
that 9-11 was just what we saw... I even mostly think the Anthrax guy killed himself.

But any time a financial officer at a major entity in financial trouble dies mysteriously, I get a little suspicious...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:03 PM
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3. I will gratefully accept your suspicion on this one
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:04 PM
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4. mysteriously? he hung himself and FredMac was being investigated for more fraud
Maybe he knew he was about to be outed/prosecuted and took the coward's way out.

Please tell me what the mysterious circumstances were.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:13 PM
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5. He hung himself and FredMac was being investigated for more fraud.
You summed the suspicious circumstances up well.

If there's nothing else there, then there isn't. But it is still enough to make me curious.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:11 PM
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10. So the "suspicious circumstances" are that he had reason to kill himself,
and that he killed himself in a manner that is among the most difficult to fake?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:19 PM
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11. What reason to kill himself? He was promoted from head of accounting
to Chief Financial Office, I would think at a considerable pay raise. If he was suspected in the least of being involved in cooking the books he'd have not been given that promotion.

And hanging is NOT hard to fake. Someone goes in, strangles him, strings him up, then puts the furniture back in place. An hour later someone else walks in and finds him hanging - cause of death, strangulation. It is actually one of the EASIEST to fake.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:28 PM
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13. I think you need to think this through a bit more
"If he was suspected in the least of being involved in cooking the books he'd have not been given that promotion."

What if, on the other hand, you'd been getting away with something - so well, that you actually got promoted - but then events took a turn which you knew would finally expose what you had been getting away with and you were facing digrace and prison? You might as well say 'why would Madoff act guilty, you couldn't be that successful if anyone suspected you of malfeasance'. Well obviously, you could.

As for your argument that hanging is easy to fake, nonsense. Strangling someone is a very traumatic death. There would be bruises, completely different ligature marks, all sorts of other things which a pathologist would notice immediately. Hit the library and look up some books on forensic science if you have the stomach for it.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:28 PM
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14. Hanging and strangling cause different bruise patterns.
Edited on Wed Apr-22-09 02:36 PM by Occam Bandage
In order to make it seem as if he was hanged, the assassin would actually have to hang him (that is to say, with a rope and with all pressure being purely upwards, with no cross-directional force whatsoever), and would have to do so without the victim attempting to fight back. Strangle victims have traumatic marks all over their bodies from their struggles to free themselves, and hanging victims obviously do not. It's very easy to tell whether and how a victim tried to fight back.

As for your claim that people involved in fraud do not receive promotions? Heh.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:41 PM
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16. He was promoted long after the problems were revealed, specifically
to FIX those problems.

As for the hanging, CSI is fiction. Unless there is really egregious evidence to the contrary evident on the body, when a body is brought in that was found hanging, the coroner is going to call it a hanging, particularly if that body DID die of asphyxiation.

Now, I'm not saying that he was not involved in the fraud. I'm not saying he didn't hang himself. I'm just saying there is plenty of room for suspicion.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:46 PM
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17. "Unless there is really egregious evidence to the contrary"
Edited on Wed Apr-22-09 02:47 PM by Occam Bandage
Like struggle marks all over the body, as strangulation would cause. And like the ligature marks running directly across the neck instead of upwards, if you're suggesting he was garroted or something. I mean, "well they wouldn't notice the bruising all over his body and the fact that the neck wound looks nothing like a hanging wound" is not really reasonable.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 03:48 PM
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18. Why would there be 'struggle marks all over the body'?
It is perfectly possible for someone to strangle someone without excessive bruising.

I could knock someone out with a sleeper hold in 30 seconds, leaving no marks at all. One the person is unconscious, put the hanging device - rope, belt, extension cord, whatever - around the victim's neck and standing above and behind the victim, strangle him. He never regained consciousness to be able to struggle. As for the ligature marks, they would NOT run directly across the neck, but would in fact run upwards. There might be slight discrepancies but, as I said, CSI is fictional - real forensic investigators are just people and if there is no reason to suspect homicide, and all the indications point to suicide, they will call it a suicide.

I'm still waiting for the unsigned suicide note printed out on his own printer.

Seriously, if CSI was real then Cold Case Files would not exist.

Of course, things could go wrong with that scenario, and if they did the victim would wind up being the victim of a burglary gone awry instead of a suicide.

C'mon - it's all speculation. The fact is, you don't know it was suicide any more than I know it was murder.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:03 PM
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7. He was also, apparently, a well-balanced individual with a happy
home life and stable family. He was lead accountant at Freddie Mac at the time of the problems, but that does not mean he formulated policy - he might, however, know just who screwed up where.

I think suspicion is warranted.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:10 PM
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9. I've known a few people "with a happy home life" who have killed themselves.
Edited on Wed Apr-22-09 02:10 PM by Occam Bandage
And none of them were a lead accountant at a major institution under investigation for accounting malpractice.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:22 PM
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12. So are a lot of people who commit suicide.
Sometimes it can be seen coming a long way off, sometimes not. As Occam Bandage says, hanging is a very difficult death to fake. If there's foul play, it would be easy to detect in an autopsy.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:06 PM
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8. He was the interim CFO
And my understanding is that he just took the job in September (though he had been with the firm for 16 years, probably right out of college). A very sad occurrence, and one that I hope the police aren't too hasty in drawing the curtain over.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:58 PM
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6. was hillary in town?
or is the right gonna blame this one on michelle?
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stuckinlodi Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:37 PM
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15. Freepers are Already Saying...
Obama did it, and that his crimes will be bigger than "Arkanacide". (I refuse to link to them, but trust me on this.)
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