Sean Hannity Agrees To WaterBoarding. Can We Do it 183 Times?

[TheBigotBasher]

GRODIN: You're for torture.


HANNITY: I am for enhanced interrogation.

GRODIN: You don't believe it's torture. Have you ever been waterboarded?

HANNITY: No, but Ollie North has.

GRODIN: Would you consent to be waterboarded? We can waterboard you?

HANNITY: Sure.

GRODIN: Are you busy on Sunday?

HANNITY: I'll do it for charity. I'll let you do it. I'll do it for the troops' families.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/22/hannity-offers-to-be-wate_n_190354.html

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[leftstreet]

1. Torturing for charity

Jeez

:eyes:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

2. So Grodin is for torture? How are you going to argue against something and then ask to do it?

[TheBigotBasher]

6. Well if you know you are not going to die

it will just very uncomfortable. It then becomes not much more than an s&m session. If Grodin gets replaced with dogs, a doctor and a very angry soldier so that Hannity isless comfortable with it - then the situation is different.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

9. So it's not torture if they know they aren't going to die?

[Occam Bandage]

11. Yes. Waterboarding is entirely dependent on the victim's belief that he is going to drown.

It is not effective otherwise. Members of the military at risk of capture, such as pilots, are waterboarded as part of their training, as a means of inoculating them against it.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

20. So after a few sessions it's not torture anymore?

Surely it wouldn't take long to figure out that you weren't going to drown. I heard or read somewhere that the detainees were told they weren't going to drown, that may have been from an early draft or just plain wrong since I've read like 3000 things on this in the past few days. It was my understanding that waterboarding caused a physiological response to drowning regardless of the state of mind of the person being subjected to it. I have several friends that have been waterboarded in training they said it sucked. Having survived a near drowning as a teenager I would likely have a fear induced cardiac arrest, that would be hard to explain.

David

[Occam Bandage]

21. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5509204&mesg_id=5509204

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

23. Thanks for the info.

The piece that I read mentioned an increase in CO2 levels. An increase of CO2 levels and the corresponding decreases in the pH of CSF would cause an increase in respirations regardless of ones state of mind. Hannity can have at it.

David

[Rhiannon12866]

29. I would think that if you physically felt like you were drowning,

it wouldn't matter who was doing it to you. And I did read your other OP. It makes sense, but I still can't imagine feeling like you were drowning would be something that anybody could get used to. Maybe it's because I was never a strong swimmer, but I wouldn't think that detainees from Arab countries would have any swimming experience at all. Nor certainly not the training that our military receives... :shrug:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

45. If waterboarding raises the CO2 levels in the body...

then there would be no way to avoid the physiological response that would take place.

David

[lapfog_1]

31. I don't believe that you are correct.

It depends more on the victim.

As a former scuba instructor, I can tell you that some people simply cannot ignore their body's response to being underwater, their instinct (called the mammalian response) is to panic and fight the sensation.

And some people, no matter how well trained, simply "lose it" when faced with the next "panic situation".

I've had experienced and well qualified diving instructors panic when confronted with nothing more than a wet breathing regulator and 0 visibility (very similar, I'm told, to being blindfolded and water boarded). Panic to the point of almost dying on the spot (I eventually fought them to a standstill and got my octopus in their mouth... but even I should not have done that, at that endangered two people instead of just one... still, it saved her life).

Even though your conscious mind (upper brain) is telling you that "everything is ok, this will not kill you", your lower brain is inducing a panic response. And it almost doesn't matter how many times you go through it. Of course, someone tortured over and over again may reach the point of not caring if they survive or not.

[knowbody0]

7. he said HE couldn't do it to Hannity

[TheBigotBasher]

8. Him doing it

can mean very different things. However this will be done with maximum control, maximum health and safety and not under stress conditions.

He should be stressed out, aggravated and made to be afraid. Then that is real simulation.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

10. I must have missed that part, I didn't see it here or in the link.

Grodin asking Sean if he was busy Sunday left the impression he was willing to do it.

David

[TheBigotBasher]

16. On the video

Grodin said he would not do it. Hannity however should go ahead and do it.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

22. Thanks.

[cliffordu]

3. I hope they do it and someone puts it on YOUTUBE.

I wanna hear him scream like the gutless shitsucking cretin he really is.

Music to my ears.

[bluestateguy]

4. IF he follows through with this

A real waterboarding, mind you, I'll at least respect him for walking the walk and not just talking the talk.

But I have a feeling he will puss out.

[XOKCowboy]

5. No just once will be enough... Enough for him to break bones trying to escape his restraints...

Oh wait. He won't be restrained. He also won't be fearing for his life. If it ever happens it'll be just a stunt for his audience.

[madmom]

12. No, what they need to do is "kidnap" him when he is not expecting it

not let him see their faces, put the fear of god in him, THEN waterboard him. Same circumstances as the others.

[Occam Bandage]

13. I agree. It is not torture if it is performed willingly and the subject is assured he is safe.

[JVS]

18. They also need to start asking him questions of a very personal nature

[MikeNearMcChord]

14. I'll waterboard him, and after that attach electrodes

to various body parts, and have him admit he likes to wear pink frilly panties, and also have him admit he is into bestiality, after a couple of go rounds. Then he may discover that people who get tortured will admit anything, to stop the pain.

[MrSlayer]

15. For him to get the real effect they need to continue for a bit after he asks them to stop.

See, he'll go for it and then ask them to stop and then he'll say it wasn't that bad. They need to keep on doing it after he asks for them to stop to really understand what it's really about. That's the only way he would get the point. I doubt he has the balls for this and it will probably never happen.

[Occam Bandage]

19. No. For him to get the real effect, they would need to abduct him in the night,

ferry him somewhere, throw him in a perpetually brightly lit, cold room, and keep him there for days. They should alternate blasting children's music and death metal. They should feed him at different times, and let him sleep at different times, so he loses all sense of time. They should rouse him at random times, scream at him, throw him around, then toss him back in the room and slam the door. They should discover his fears and exploit them. And then, after days of chipping away at his sanity, they should waterboard him for hours. Then, when he's about to be put back in his room, they should waterboard him for a few hours more.

Then they can let him go back to Fox News.

[MrSlayer]

25. Of course that would be the ultimate in reality.

But no one is going to do that to him. No one will do what I suggested either. This is never going to happen at all.

[safeinOhio]

36. All they have to do is

keep waterboarding him until he agrees that it is torture. Take about 30 seconds. It works if a response is required, like yes stop it is torture.

[Norquist Nemesis]

17. Hannity is a propaganda pimple

He festers from bacteria and spews infective shit all creating more festering bacteria. Isn't there a political equivalent to a deep scrub?

[47of74]

24. Hannity, Orally, Druggie...

They like to pretend that they're big time tough guys. But the truth is that they're a bunch of cowards.

[SpiralHawk]

44. They are all Republicon Chickenhawk propagandists

so shameful, so pitiful, so honorless.

[Rhiannon12866]

26. Honest to God?! Exactly where and when?!

I have to make sure that my mother tunes in... :evilgrin: She's a fan. x(

[Marr]

27. He won't do it.

Hannity is a coward and a liar. If he actually believed half the things he talks about half as strongly as he professes to believe them, he'd be in a uniform right now instead of lounging on a pile of cash.

[BlooInBloo]

28. Live or else it's bullshit.

[BigBearJohn]

30. I'd like to offer my services..... for free.

"Oh, I'm sorry Sean, I meant to stop 5 minutes ago".

[Rhiannon12866]

32. Link to video, posted in the Political Videos Forum...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=301737&mesg_id=301737

[zbdent]

33. hey ... according to a RWer on Thom Hartmanns show yesterday, if they

have a doctor present (apparently, to keep the person from dying), then it's okay ...

so, have Hannity's heart stop a few times, see if he likes it ...

[Optical.Catalyst]

34. Sure, but do it as realistic as Gitmo - Use water pulled out of a Port-a-Potty

Waterboard Hannity just like the prisoners in Guantánamo Bay. Use water mixed with human waste. It needs to be real.

[Mr. Ected]

35. Hannity's Corporate Masters Would Never Assent To This

They would be deathly afraid that it might kill the one remaining brain cell in his noggin.

Not to mention the messy aspects of Hannity crapping himself on live television.

[madokie]

37. One time is all it would take with hannity

people like him are already broke so it only takes a threat to keep them in line. If you want proof of what I say watch his show sometime and you'll see he's already broken. I'm saying this without having watched his show even one time because I know what broken people is, he is but a toady and not a man. Men don't break so easy

[City Lights]

38. Hannity is a big-mouthed fool.

I hope the charity waterboarding is televised.

[Liberal In Texas]

39. He should do it, like Christopher Hitchens did.

He actually might come away with a finer appreciation of what it is.

http://current.com/items/89068452_youtube-watch-christopher-hitchen-get-waterboarded-vanity-fair.htm

I doubt he'll do it. He's all talk. An empty suit.

[SidDithers]

41. And the Vanity Fair article he wrote about the experience...

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/hitchens200808

Sid

[lunatica]

40. Watch the video of Christopher Hitchins being waterboarded - he changed his tune

He later explains how it felt. He says you lose your mind and that he has nightmares of being smothered

http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20080703_waterboarding_christopher_hitchens/

[Canuckistanian]

42. I say chain him naked to the floor in a freezing room for 3 days first

Let him shit all over himself.

Then slam him against the wall a few times. Then make him stand in a stress position for three hours.

THEN waterboard him.

I'd pay to see that.

[madamesilverspurs]

43. No one, under any circumstances,

should be required to actually touch Hannity. At least, not without many layers of protective clothing. And any contact should be followed by both decontamination and counselling.

[Doughboy71]

46. Link to donate

Here is a link to add your name to the list to donate a $1 a second

Waterboard Sean Hannity for Charity