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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 04:30 PM
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So when will the Military Commissions Act bite us?
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 04:55 PM by G_j
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Questions and Answers About the Military
Commissions Act of 2006
http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us_law/etn/ca3/hrf-ca3-102406.html

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Commissions_Act_of_2006


Protections from criminal and civil prosecutions for previous instances of alleged torture
Two provisions of the MCA have been criticized for allegedly making it harder to prosecute and convict officers and employees of the US government for misconduct in office.

First, the MCA changed the definition of war crimes for which US government defendants can be prosecuted. Under the War Crimes Act of 1996, any violation of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions was considered a war crime and could be criminally prosecuted. Section 6 of the Military Commissions Act amended the War Crimes Act so that only actions specifically defined as "grave breaches" of Common Article 3 could be the basis for a prosecution, and it made that definition retroactive to November 26, 1997. The specific actions defined in section 6 of the Military Commissions Act include torture, cruel or inhumane treatment, murder, mutilation or maiming, intentionally causing serious bodily harm, rape, sexual assault or abuse, and the taking of hostages. According to Mariner of Human Rights Watch, the effect is "that perpetrators of several categories of what were war crimes at the time they were committed, can no longer be punished under U.S. law."<32> The Center for Constitutional Rights adds:
The MCA’s restricted definitions arguably would exempt certain U.S. officials who have implemented or had command responsibility for coercive interrogation techniques from war crimes prosecutions.
. . . .
This amendment is designed to protect U.S. government perpetrators of abuses during the "war on terror" from prosecution.<33>
In 2005, a provision of the Detainee Treatment Act (section 1004(a)) had created a new defense as well as a provision to providing counsel for agents involved in the detention and interrogation of individuals “believed to be engaged in or associated with international terrorist activity”. The 2006 MCA amended section 1004(a) of the Detainee Treatment Act to guarantee free counsel in the event of civil or criminal prosecution and applied the above mentioned legal defense to prosecutions for conduct that occurred during the period September 11, 2001 to December 30, 2005. Although the provision recognizes the possibility of civil and or criminal proceedings, the Center for Constitutional Rights has criticised this claiming that "The MCA retroactively immunizes some U.S. officials who have engaged in illegal actions which have been authorized by the Executive.

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http://www.aclu.org/safefree/detention/29145res20070322.html

from the ACLU:

The Military Commissions Act of 2006 gives the president absolute power to decide who is an enemy of our country and to imprison people indefinitely without charging them with a crime.

Eliminates due process.
This law removes the Constitutional due process right of habeas corpus for persons the president designates as unlawful enemy combatants. It allows our government to continue to hold hundreds of prisoners more than four years without charges, with no end in sight.

Rejects core American values.
Habeas corpus, the basic right to have a court decide if a person is being lawfully imprisoned, is what separates America from other countries. To do away with this American value makes us more like those we are fighting against. It is time to restore due process, defend the Constitution, and protect what makes us Americans.

The last Congress was asleep at the wheel.
The only thing scarier than a government that would take away our basic freedoms is a Congress that would let it happen. Congress must correct that mistake and restore habeas corpus and due process, and define enemy combatants as only those who engage in hostilities against the United States.

Permits coerced evidence.
The act permits convictions based on evidence that was literally beaten out of a witness, or obtained through other abuse by either the federal government or by other countries.

Turns a blind eye to past abuses.
Government officials who authorized or ordered illegal acts of torture and abuse would receive retroactive immunity for their crimes, providing them with a ‘get out of jail free' card.


Makes the president his own judge and jury.
Under the Military Commissions Act, the president has the power to define what is — and what is not — torture and abuse, even though the Geneva Conventions already provide us with a guide.
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Supreme Court?
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 04:32 PM
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1. "Congress must fix," but will most certainly not if it's not considered 'broken'
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 04:37 PM
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2. That's a good question
Will it take a Supreme Court ruling to make it unconstitutional?

And anyways, I thought that existing treaties trumped Congressional law, although I'm not sure.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 04:39 PM
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3. It may bite Pelosi, Rockefeller, DiFi, Harmon and Reid. But that doesn't bite "us." n/t
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 04:44 PM
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4. I meant in terms of our quest for justice.
I also think the MCA was meant in some part, to keep Pelosi, Rockefeller etc. from being bitten.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 04:46 PM
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5. So it only applies to Congressional actions?
I don't get your point.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 04:53 PM
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6. K&R
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 04:59 PM
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7. absolutely
if there are ever prosecutions, we no doubt will be hearing about theses "Acts"
of Congress.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 05:25 PM
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8. Senate "Democrats" who voted with the Republicans:
Senate Democrats who voted with the Republicans on the Military Commissions Act:

Carper (D-DE), Yea

Johnson (D-SD), Yea

Landrieu (D-LA), Yea

Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea

Lieberman (D-CT), Yea

Menendez (D-NJ), Yea

Nelson (D-FL), Yea

Nelson (D-NE), Yea

Pryor (D-AR), Yea

Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea

Salazar (D-CO), Yea

Stabenow (D-MI), Yea

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00259
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 04:42 PM
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9. mmm...
thank you
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