Re: Torture: This guy had it right in 2004! Why has the discussion devolved

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and gotten less clear over the last 5 years? Hard to find all the video, but here are parts. But Al Gore hit all the right notes in 2004 and here we are 5 years later arguing finer points of what happened and missing the big picture. Great speech.

Video and text highly, highly recommended. I wish Moveon.org would repost the full video or take out a full page ad. Very timely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaUH4kWwZu4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5lbXcYnAh4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKWH6W_sMng&feature=PlayList&p=8E83E9C6616ABE2E&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=56

link to text:

http://www.moveon.org/pac/gore-rumsfeld-transcript.html

[azul]

1. Right. The nation should have been having the torture discussion when the photos

of abuse came out in 2004.

The stink-tanks and BS media were given a chance to lie and distort, by a craven administration and justice dept, the abuses for those years. But it is coming out now, and thank goodness.

Torture and abuse stories in all the newspapers and NPR radio the last 2 days. Yes, and finally.

[sandnsea]

2. And they point blank lied again

I mean I know they're liars, but dangitall, they are FUCKING LIARS!

I want Cheney. Rumsfeld would be the cherry on top. I don't care about anything else but those two. Maybe Rice too. We've got to figure out how they went so wrong and took 80% of the country with them.

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3. k. nt