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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:16 AM
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What, if anything, should Obama do about Pakistan?
I would guess just about all of us agree that the Taliban are fascistic bigots (so it's no surprise that it took the likes of Ronald Reagan to unleash them on the world). The Taliban are now making some serious inroads in Pakistan and actually threatening Islamabad. Meanwhile, Pakistan has an arsenal of nuclear weapons, and even if it's truly close to falling is unlikely to give up those weapons because of its fear of India. I have no idea what the solution is, but surely the Obama administration is trying to figure out what needs to be done. What do you think we should do, if anything, to prevent the Taliban from taking control of Pakistan and its nuclear weapons?
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moez Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:19 AM
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1. here's one option....
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:24 AM
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2. Disgusting.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:38 AM
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10. No, no, no. That's what Clinton would be inclined to do. We're talking about Obama.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:24 AM
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3. The best thing he can do is to make the Modern Pakistani trust US more than
they sympathize with their co-religionists...their fundys.

To do that he will have to make the world believe that Americans thoroughly repudiate torture.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:24 AM
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4. I don't know. Maybe we should ask Republicans. They know best.
Edited on Fri Apr-24-09 07:25 AM by closeupready
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:25 AM
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5. He is probably already doing it....
behind the scenes....
part of his Afghanistan ops.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:32 AM
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6. Well, it seems to me the President is doing something about Pakistan by
Edited on Fri Apr-24-09 07:34 AM by snappyturtle
using the drones. I'm beginning to think that the U.S. would be better off waiting to see what happens....and should tell Pakistan that we'll stay out of it for the time being. THEN let's see what Pakistan does to get rid of their problem, the Taliban. You know there are so many 'evildoers' planet wide, I don't know how we can even choose which ones to target...those with resources? those with nukes? Maybe we should only intervene when we are seriously at risk. Why waste our resources policing? The basis of the Taliban philosophy is religious...how do we fight that? I'm asking more questions than answering so my bottom line is to watch and infiltrate to keep assessed of the 'matter'.

edit: wording
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:34 AM
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7. the word fascist is utterly meaningless in this contexxt.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:35 AM
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8. Make like a sheep herder and get the entire FLOCK (all military) out of both Afghanistan and Iraq.
Edited on Fri Apr-24-09 07:35 AM by ShortnFiery
Then Pakistan will settle down along with the rest of the M.E.

OUR PRESENCE in OCCUPYING these two nations is creating more terrorists than we can "bomb into The Stone Age." :(
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 09:13 AM
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12. Yes, you are correct, but people aren't listening. As with global warming,
I believe we are going to have to kill ourselves before people decide to give peace a chance.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 10:54 AM
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16. that's utterly simplistic.
though I certainly think that we should get out Afghanistan, that is only one factor and not the largest factor by any means. And believe me, if Pakistan fails, India will not stand by.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:36 AM
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9. The Taliban has no chance to take state power in Pakistan and exert control over nuclear weapons.
Pakiistan is vastly different from Afghanistan. What the Taliban does have is the ability to destabilize the Pakistani government leaving it ripe for a takeover by some other interest.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 10:19 AM
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14. Why can't the Taliban take over Pakistan?
I'm really curious about why you think that? There are a LOT of Pakistani politicians, military and intelligence leaders who actually support the Taliban. In fact, I believe the Taliban have gotten this far because they DO have a lot of support.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 10:51 AM
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15. Topography, ethnicity, population size, a long coastline, etc.
It seems to me that these factors are what have historically kept Agfghanistan independent as well as susceptible to control by a small group.

Just Pakistan's proximity to India mitigates against a Taliban takeover.

None of which is to say that a religious reactionary group can't find its way to power in Pakistan. It just won't be the Taliban.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:39 AM
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11. I don't have nearly enough information to give a good answer to the question...
Those of you whose information is oh-so-much better than mine, are welcome to answer.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 09:18 AM
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13. Well, I know many Pakistanis, some of whom are from the political class,
and to repeat just about everything sensible people have been trying to say, there is a despair that this continued, expanded warfare into Pakistan is increasingly making people fear and hate the USA. We can turn that around, IMO, but it won't be after we've unleashed hundreds more bombs and drones on them.
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